Tulsi Gabbard sits in for Tucker Carlson!! (Poll)

[Ray From Cleveland]

He did, but there's a process for that. Regardless, I seriously doubt Garland wants to prosecute him for this - there's a lot of other material to work with.



If he had cooperated with them in June, they wouldn't have raided his estate to get 11 sets of documents. Keep in mind, if the FBI/DOJ had done its job, they would have made Trump sign a statement basically saying for the record that he had produced all the documents that they'd requested.

He could claim that "Whoops, I had no idea those boxes were there." He could do that. But someone knew those documents were in his estate. Someone knew - but he didn't? Possible, but not plausible.

That leads me to a question I've been kicking around in my head this afternoon: is someone close to Donald wearing a wire, because if that's the case, he is well and truly fucked.

The declassification process is decided on by each President. President Trump's declassification process was that any document that leaves the White House is automatically declassified. But that aside...............

What happens if there is a document there that he wasn't supposed to have? His defense could easily be that he wasn't the person that took it. Now, the Left-BI planned it so he wasn't home at the time, when his lawyer arrived to find out WTF was going on, she started to oversee the process and they ordered her out of the house. They instructed that all security cameras be turned off.

Who would a judge or jury side with if such a case were made?

I do agree with you that slime ball Garland doesn't want to prosecute him. His instructions are to make sure Trump can never run for President again because the commies are scared to death of him.

 

[citygator]

Tulsi has some good and bad positions. Her Russia leanings has me suspect regarding her intentions though. Above all she’s an opportunist as evident by the right wing pandering she does. I think she just wants to be famous - she’s got a career doing that.

 

[SweetSue92]

All positions in my pout-stalker bitch-brigade are currently filled.

I'll keep your application here on file, and I'll let you know if anything opens up. Given the high death rate of MAGAts due to COVID, overdose, jihad and suicide, odds are good that you can get in soon.

This is why I don't automatically thank all vets for their service.

It's a knee-jerk thing my fellow conservatives do. IMO we need to stop.

Sometimes, though they served, it turns out like this. Not often. Rarely. But sometimes. But unless I know how it turned out, I just don't go around randomly thanking people wearing vet hats in stores. Because maybe they are really waiting for half of us to die, as expressed here.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Its no wonder Hillary wanted to destroy her. Its like the Wicked Witch vs Snow White. On top of being way prettier, Tulsi is also a Veteran which the old sea hag probably holds against her as well.

Nah, Hillary loves a nice looking woman.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes to those F'ing retards... all you have to do is voice an opinion they don't like and... yep, your a Russian Asset! Funny thing is... the people who really know these things would have Tulsi's Ass in prison if it was really true. They can call her a Russian Asset because they probably watched it on the VIEW.... but they cant explain why she isnt locked up in Prison.

retarded idiots.

This Russian asset started with Hillary Clinton, and you know how puppets are, they just move in the direction of the people pulling the strings.

 

[kyzr]

Nice tits. Stupid politician.

LOL!!
Agree on the tits, but I think she understands the FXN audience.
Is she playing along, or does she sincerely see how fucked up democrats really are?
Can she find a place to get elected? We'll see. Probably likes the FXN gig more than politics.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Tulsi is hosting Tucker's show tonight (Friday) on FXN.

She is doing a great job. Being very fair & objective. Not a partisan hack.

Do we need more shows presenting both sides fairly instead of the 1-party partisan hacks like on CNN & MSDNC?

I wouldn't say she did a great job, but for her first time, very good. She was a bit nervous which is to be expected. I think if they let her fill in more often she will really get the hang of it.

 

[kyzr]

You clearly know absolutely nothing about her. Your shallowness and ignorance is why you fell for Trump, too.

Enlighten us. You type words with no proof. Clearly a democrat KoolAde drinker.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is why I don't automatically thank all vets for their service.

It's a knee-jerk thing my fellow conservatives do. IMO we need to stop.

Sometimes, though they served, it turns out like this. Not often. Rarely. But sometimes. But unless I know how it turned out, I just don't go around randomly thanking people wearing vet hats in stores. Because maybe they are really waiting for half of us to die, as expressed here.

This is the internet. On here I've met doctors, scientists, multi-millionaires, published authors, big corporation owners, CEO's, and the funny thing is they are all on the left.

Me? I'm one of the few truck drivers here.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

I'm a vet.

I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Most Republicans are clearly domestic enemies of the Constituion, therefore I am oath-bound to oppose them.

I do not have a choice in the matter. My sacred oath binds my actions.

That means I won't stop just because the traitors cry at me, or fling more death threats at me.

What uniform ? Chinese?

 

[SweetSue92]

This is the internet. On here I've met doctors, scientists, multi-millionaires, published authors, big corporation owners, CEO's, and the funny thing is they are all on the left.

Me? I'm one of the few truck drivers here.

Good point, and I need to be reminded of it from time to time.

My cousin is a truck driver, has been one for years and years. One of the best people to talk to and I have no reason to think he's an outlier. He listens to a ton of talk radio, podcasts and books on tape while on the road and has seen almost all of the country. When he stops, he always talks to a lot of people. Pretty cool imo.

 

[kyzr]

Not woke, huh? You'd like her as a Republican, eh?
Man, you have no idea how much you have just revealed that you always speak out of your ass!
I swear, you saw photos of someone else in a bikini and your brains poured out of your ears. This right wing Tulsi fan club is a textbook example of people just parroting what they heard other people say.

So here goes.
Tulsi Gabbard backed Sanders in 2016.
She supports the Green New Deal.
She supports reparations for slavery.
She wants a $15 minimum wage.
She believes college should be free.
She supports banning offshore drilling.
She supports closing down all existing nuclear power plants.
She supports a ban on assault weapons.
She supports Medicare For All.

Healthcare For All [PAGE NOT FOUND LINKS DON'T WORK]
People Before Profits & Politics "People Before Profits". An age-old socialist slogan.
Racial Justice
Hold Wall Street Accountable
“We must break up the big banks, reinstate Glass-Steagall, and get our economy back to working for the benefit of all Americans.”
Second Amendment Rights & Gun Safety
“We don’t have to wait for answers to these questions for Congress to pass legislation already supported by a majority of Americans, like universal background checks, closing the gun show loophole and reinstating a federal ban on military-style assault weapons.”
Gabbard is no longer running for president. “No, I do not support new nuclear power plants and am in favor of phasing out nuclear power,” Gabbard told The Post. She said she supports ending “subsidies or waivers to the nuclear power industry, which should itself be completely responsible for paying for its own insurance and paying the long term cost for safe storage of nuclear waste over centuries.”
Candidate positions highlighted
Here's a bill cosponsored by Tulsi:
H.R.40 Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act To establish a commission to study and consider a national apology and proposal for reparations for the institution of slavery.
"I'll usher in a Green Economy":
Tulsi Gabbard is as socialist as AOC and Bernie Sanders.

Don't confuse her old views as a democrat with her new views as a FXN talking head. She may have seen the light like Leo 2.0
After being on stage as a presidential candidate and a veteran and then be called a Russian asset, that may have changed her political views.
I appreciate the time and effort you put in on that well researched and well written post.
If she really still believes the democrat policies she hides that very well.
I'm hoping she knows which side her bread is buttered.
Time will tell.

 

[kyzr]

Tulsi has some good and bad positions. Her Russia leanings has me suspect regarding her intentions though. Above all she’s an opportunist as evident by the right wing pandering she does. I think she just wants to be famous - she’s got a career doing that.

What Russia leanings? That was Hillary calling others what she actually does. Like paying Russians for the Steele Dossier.

 

[multivita-man]

The declassification process is decided on by each President. President Trump's declassification process was that any document that leaves the White House is automatically declassified. But that aside...............

Not quite. Not sure where you're getting your info from, but it's not accurate. The president *does* decide what is classified, and what is not classified. But he doesn't just change the process for classification, which is a highly regulated process by statute and regulations.

What happens if there is a document there that he wasn't supposed to have? His defense could easily be that he wasn't the person that took it.

That's probably his best defense, and that probably would have worked in June when they initiated the subpoena. As I said earlier though, that's a bit harder now. When the government requests possible evidence of a crime - simply possessing classified evidence in an unsecured environment is a crime, ipso facto - then they don't just show up, ask for the documents, and rush off to the donut shop no questions asked. There are forms to fill out, which if completed falsely constitute crimes independent of the classified information.

What I am saying is that unless the agents who executed the recovery of the documents back in June didn't do their job - which is indeed possible I suppose but unlikely - then Trump would have had to sign some forms pledging that, to the best of his knowledge, he has turned over all classified information, and more specifically, all the documents the Archives had requested. I could see one 'oopsie', but it's hard to argue 'whoops' now.

I do agree with you that slime ball Garland doesn't want to prosecute him.

He sure as hell doesn't - it would overshadow every single thing he does for the remainder of his term and Biden doesn't want to turn over prosecution of a former president to an incoming AG either. But Trump is, by virtue of his own actions, increasingly giving Garland no choice. I suspect the 'strategy', if there is one, is to let the state AGs make their first move, let the Jan 6 Committee continue to make the case to the American people, and then hope like hell that Americans vote against Repubs in November, which is not likely to happen, admittedly, though more likely than it was 3 months ago.

His instructions are to make sure Trump can never run for President again because the commies are scared to death of him.

You can relax. I posted this on a site full of left wingers like me that they're dreaming if they think this can happen. There is no way that they can keep Trump from office - the Supreme Court wouldn't allow it. And red-leaning states are going to give these laws the finger and put him on the ballot anyway.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not quite. Not sure where you're getting your info from, but it's not accurate. The president *does* decide what is classified, and what is not classified. But he doesn't just change the process for classification, which is a highly regulated process by statute and regulations.



That's probably his best defense, and that probably would have worked in June when they initiated the subpoena. As I said earlier though, that's a bit harder now. When the government requests possible evidence of a crime - simply possessing classified evidence in an unsecured environment is a crime, ipso facto - then they don't just show up, ask for the documents, and rush off to the donut shop no questions asked. There are forms to fill out, which if completed falsely constitute crimes independent of the classified information.

What I am saying is that unless the agents who executed the recovery of the documents back in June didn't do their job - which is indeed possible I suppose but unlikely - then Trump would have had to sign some forms pledging that, to the best of his knowledge, he has turned over all classified information, and more specifically, all the documents the Archives had requested. I could see one 'oopsie', but it's hard to argue 'whoops' now.



He sure as hell doesn't - it would overshadow every single thing he does for the remainder of his term and Biden doesn't want to turn over prosecution of a former president to an incoming AG either. But Trump is, by virtue of his own actions, increasingly giving Garland no choice. I suspect the 'strategy', if there is one, is to let the state AGs make their first move, let the Jan 6 Committee continue to make the case to the American people, and then hope like hell that Americans vote against Repubs in November, which is not likely to happen, admittedly, though more likely than it was 3 months ago.



You can relax. I posted this on a site full of left wingers like me that they're dreaming if they think this can happen. There is no way that they can keep Trump from office - the Supreme Court wouldn't allow it. And red-leaning states are going to give these laws the finger and put him on the ballot anyway.

Yes they can stop him. Section 2071 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.




The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from presidential executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on a president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

What to know about presidential declassification powers

The search warrant served on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home appears to involve documents that investiga

www.politifact.com

 

[multivita-man]

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from presidential executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on a president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

You have to be a sitting president to issue an executive order. He can't just issue an EO now, and in the absence of an EO prior to his departure, that's a problem.

But I agree with what the Politifact article you linked to said. In summary, this is an unprecedented case, and in terms of what the law and constitution say about a former president's relationship with classified or other privileged information, there are a lot of known unknowns, and some unknown unknowns as well, to use Donald Rumsfeld speak.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You have to be a sitting president to issue an executive order. He can't just issue an EO now, and in the absence of an EO prior to his departure, that's a problem.

But I agree with what the Politifact article you linked to said. In summary, this is an unprecedented case, and in terms of what the law and constitution say about a former president's relationship with classified or other privileged information, there are a lot of known unknowns, and some unknown unknowns as well, to use Donald Rumsfeld speak.

I'm quite sure his team at the White House are the people who packed those documents. I'm also sure his legal team at home went through them again once the FBI became involved. Either way, the main goal is to stop him from running, and potentially tarnish his name to limit the damage of the people he supported for Congress this November. It doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, only that he is discredited.

However it was a bad calculation. The public is about sick of these stunts and the damage being done to the Democrats is self-inflicted. The 1/6 commission is a joke, and they have to find another means to try and stop the Trump train. In my state some pissed off kook tried to get into a FBI headquarters likely to kill agents. They can't keep pushing this bullshit, and it is bullshit. This move by the Biden administration is history in the making, and they got some lowly magistrate to sign this search? Too many things don't add up.

 

[konradv]

Tulsi's guest James Gagliano (Retired FBI agent) said that even if Trump had classified documents, they still have to prove intent to commit a crime. Seeing as how Trump had nothing to do with packing those boxes and, the fact Trump let them inspect the documents in June, I see no crime here or any legal reason for a FBI raid.

The need to prove a crime was committed is a matter for trial, not when applying for a warrant.

 

[Redfish]

Tulsi is hosting Tucker's show tonight (Friday) on FXN.

She is doing a great job. Being very fair & objective. Not a partisan hack.

Do we need more shows presenting both sides fairly instead of the 1-party partisan hacks like on CNN & MSDNC?

Tulsi should switch parties, she is not a lib/dem.

 

[busybee01]

Tulsi is hosting Tucker's show tonight (Friday) on FXN.

She is doing a great job. Being very fair & objective. Not a partisan hack.

Do we need more shows presenting both sides fairly instead of the 1-party partisan hacks like on CNN & MSDNC?

She is a partisan hack. She is not fair and objective. Fox does not present both sides. That is why people like Chris Wallace have left the network.