Truthers, how was this engine planted?

[DiveCon]

that page doesnt even know what engines were used on a 757

Really?

The Pratt & Whitney PW2000 is a series of high-bypass turbofan aero engines with a thrust range from 37,000 to 43,000 lbf (165 to 190 kN). Built by Pratt & Whitney, they were designed for the Boeing 757.

The first PW2000 series engines, the PW2037, entered service on 757s in 1984

Pratt & Whitney PW2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but, were those the only engines used in 757's?
NO
were they the ones on flight 93, NO

dipshit

 

[Fizz]

maybe the music glazed my eyes over.

why dont you list the evidence that video supposedly shows that is actual evidence the engine was planted? i would like to see what you consider evidence of it.

I think I know what happened. You just watched the youtube trailer and didn't follow the link at the end to the full video. Watch it here.

i know i know what happened. you sent us to the wrong place. so instead of trying to send us all over the internet trying to get us to watch stupid fucking videos why dont you do what i asked and simply tell us what evidence there is that the engines were planted.

why is this so difficult for you?

 

[SFC Ollie]

maybe the music glazed my eyes over.

why dont you list the evidence that video supposedly shows that is actual evidence the engine was planted? i would like to see what you consider evidence of it.

I think I know what happened. You just watched the youtube trailer and didn't follow the link at the end to the full video. Watch it here.

A site that offers more truther questions and makes accusations that the FBI lied. How many of these sites do you think it will take to make it true?

 

[slackjawed]

How to Plant an Engine
S.L.Ackjawed, P.E., (ret)
This is an important first step. The reason why this step is first is because everything you do might depend on where you are going to plant your engine. For example, if you want to plant an engine in a park, you first need to find out who manages the park (is this a city park, state park, private, etc.) and ask their permission to plant an engine. They might say "yes, you can plant an engine but we can only plant certain kinds of engines" - for example some parks will only plant native engines (engines that have historically grown in the area) or they might have an engine planting plan that identifies historically engines grown in the area) or they might have an engine planting plan that identifies the type of engines to be planted. Or, you might be planting an engine near power and telephone wires so in selecting an engine you would want one that would not grow tall or fast (a jet engine for example). You might even want to replace an engine that has been destroyed by lightening or killed by disease. Replacing theengine with the same kind of engine would be nice.

In selecting a site, remember, our communities and cities need and have an ongoing need - to have engines planted by people. That's because life is hard in the city for an engine: engines that might grow from seeds are cut by lawn mowers, sidewalks prevent water absorption by engines plus the added work of cleaning the air of auto emissions makes survival tough for engines. So the cities and town really need more engines!

Once you have identified where you would like to plant an engine, you need to ask permission from the owner or the manager of the property. This person might be a state mechanic, park mechanic or the mechanic at your school. This rule even applies if you want to plant an engine in your yard at home - you still need to ask for permission of your parents.

(adapted from How To Plant A Tree)

 

[eots]

you cant even verify it is an engine

 

[SFC Ollie]

http://pittsburgh.about.com/library/graphics/seatbelt.jpg

http://pittsburgh.about.com/library/graphics/debris.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/scene_cnn.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/crater-wps.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/crater-wwd.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/crater_wtae1.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/crater-epa2.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/aerial-usinfo.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/aerial_diagram.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate-epa2.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate-epa3.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate-amny.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate_sptimes.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate-da1.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_wtae1.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_wtae2.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_wtae3.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_wtae4.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_pc1.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_pc2.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_pc3.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_pc4.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp2.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp5.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp6.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp6.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp8.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp9.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rj.jpg

 

[saiweril]

that page doesnt even know what engines were used on a 757

Really?

The Pratt & Whitney PW2000 is a series of high-bypass turbofan aero engines with a thrust range from 37,000 to 43,000 lbf (165 to 190 kN). Built by Pratt & Whitney, they were designed for the Boeing 757.

The first PW2000 series engines, the PW2037, entered service on 757s in 1984

Pratt & Whitney PW2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but, were those the only engines used in 757's?
NO

You made it sound like that model is not used on 757's, which it is.

were they the ones on flight 93, NO

dipshit

Then which ones were Mr. Smartypants?

 

[Fizz]

you cant even verify it is an engine

you cant verify you have a brain.

 

[saiweril]

i know i know what happened. you sent us to the wrong place.

No, you just didn't pay attention to follow the link to the full video.

so instead of trying to send us all over the internet trying to get us to watch stupid fucking videos why dont you do what i asked and simply tell us what evidence there is that the engines were planted.

why is this so difficult for you?

The video with all the evidence in it was just easier.

It also debunks the other engine found. You should just watch the video.

Hoodwinked at Shanksville: The Little Engine That Couldn't

 

[eots]

you cant even verify it is an engine

you cant verify you have a brain.

and you cant deal with the fact you cant even verify its an engine

 

[Fizz]

you cant even verify it is an engine

you cant verify you have a brain.

and you cant deal with the fact you cant even verify its an engine

so what are you claiming it is? a rock?

 

[eots]

http://pittsburgh.about.com/library/graphics/seatbelt.jpg
a seat belt
http://pittsburgh.about.com/library/graphics/debris.jpg

nothing


http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/scene_cnn.jpg

two guys in a feild

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/crater-wps.jpg

a hole

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/crater-wwd.jpg
some people in a feild

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/crater_wtae1.jpg

a hole

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/crater-epa2.jpg

a hole


http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/aerial-usinfo.jpg


nothing

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/aerial_diagram.jpg


nothing
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate-epa2.jpg
some heavy equipment
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate-epa3.jpg
some moe equipment
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate-amny.jpg
some guys ina feild
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate_sptimes.jpg
more guys in a feild
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/excavate-da1.jpg
areial veiw of nothing
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_wtae1.jpg
a small peice of somthing
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_wtae2.jpg
a little peice of ?
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_wtae3.jpg
a tiny peice of ?
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_wtae4.jpg
same
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_pc1.jpg
same
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_pc2.jpg
a peice of paper
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_pc3.jpg
a peice of paper
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_pc4.jpg
one of the few pictures we ever see
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp2.jpg
nothing
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp5.jpg
???
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp6.jpg
???
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp6.jpg
a tiny peice of something
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp8.jpg
a passport
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rcfp9.jpg
a passport
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight93/gallery/debris_rj.jpg

a hole lot of nothing 000.1 % of the 95% claimed recovered...you just proved the only pictures of debris are the half dozen we have all seen

 

[SFC Ollie]

I posted links to a few pictures from a few sites, there are hundreds more, But even if that plane were somehow miraculously reconstructed you would find an argument that says it isn't the right plane or some such nonsense.

The FBI reported that about 95% of the plane was recovered.

The FBI is the lead investigating agency.


I and most of the country believe the FBI.

 

[eots]

I posted links to a few pictures from a few sites, there are hundreds more, But even if that plane were somehow miraculously reconstructed you would find an argument that says it isn't the right plane or some such nonsense.

The FBI reported that about 95% of the plane was recovered.

The FBI is the lead investigating agency.


I and most of the country believe the FBI.

you have nothing but pictures of people in Fields and the same 6 pictures of debris shown over and over...so all you have to go on is blind faith in the FBI

 

[SFC Ollie]

I posted links to a few pictures from a few sites, there are hundreds more, But even if that plane were somehow miraculously reconstructed you would find an argument that says it isn't the right plane or some such nonsense.

The FBI reported that about 95% of the plane was recovered.

The FBI is the lead investigating agency.


I and most of the country believe the FBI.

you have nothing but pictures of people in Fields and the same 6 pictures of debris shown over and over...so all you have to go on is blind faith in the FBI

Faith in the FBI and all the agencies including NTSB that assisted in the investigation and recovery efforts.

What have you got? Empty Accusations

 

[tomk]

you cant even verify it is an engine

you cant verify you have a brain.

and you cant deal with the fact you cant even verify its an engine

It is completely unnecessary and irrelevant whether fizz can identify that it is an engine.

Or whether I can.
Or whether you can.

The only thing that matters is whether or not an expert in turbine engines can.

That question can be simply answered by asking yourself if you think the prosecutors that put Mossaoui on trial were so unconcerned with their reputations & their jobs that, in the biggest trial of their lives, they'd be willing to suffer the public humiliation of having the defense team bring up their own expert to testify "wrong engine".

BTW, there were 33 "serial numbers" of "parts" that were verified as being on that particular plane on that particular day. Those serial numbers are the DNA of the passengers.

4 serial numbers were recorded, but could not be identified. Because their families in the Middle East know what you don't know: that their kin folk were aboard that plane. Otherwise they would have provided the DNA samples that would have exonerated their relatives.

Tom

 

[DiveCon]

you cant verify you have a brain.

and you cant deal with the fact you cant even verify its an engine

It is completely unnecessary and irrelevant whether fizz can identify that it is an engine.

Or whether I can.
Or whether you can.

The only thing that matters is whether or not an expert in turbine engines can.

That question can be simply answered by asking yourself if you think the prosecutors that put Mossaoui on trial were so unconcerned with their reputations & their jobs that, in the biggest trial of their lives, they'd be willing to suffer the public humiliation of having the defense team bring up their own expert to testify "wrong engine".

BTW, there were 33 "serial numbers" of "parts" that were verified as being on that particular plane on that particular day. Those serial numbers are the DNA of the passengers.

4 serial numbers were recorded, but could not be identified. Because their families in the Middle East know what you don't know: that their kin folk were aboard that plane. Otherwise they would have provided the DNA samples that would have exonerated their relatives.

Tom

logic doesnt work with troofers

 

[tomk]

I posted links to a few pictures from a few sites, there are hundreds more, But even if that plane were somehow miraculously reconstructed you would find an argument that says it isn't the right plane or some such nonsense.

The FBI reported that about 95% of the plane was recovered.

The FBI is the lead investigating agency.


I and most of the country believe the FBI.

Sarge,

Nice to meetcha.

First, thanks for your service.

Second, there are two possible interpretations of FBI Agent Crowley's statement about the amount of the plane that was recovered.

1. That 95% of the plane was recovered & turned over to the airlines.
2. That 95% of however much was recovered was turned over to the airlines.

I don't know which one is correct. I lean a bit towards the second case, but it doesn't matter in the slightest. There is far more than enough proof that it was, in fact, UA93.

Your point about how much info the FBI has, and does not release to the public, is an excellent one. And this excerpt from a NatGeo video about the history of the FBI speaks precisely to that point. There are tens of thousands of pieces of evidence that the public does not know about. And that they don't need to know about.

The innately suspicious nature of angry young boys does not create a requirement for the FBI (or any police force or DA) to open up their evidence files to the public. Privacy concerns (and in this case, security concerns) require that those files NOT be released. Even if it cheeses them off.

I haven't posted enough to post url's yet, so you can fix the url.

www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=P72v8zryZAE
YouTube - Flight 93 Crash site evidence collected

The truthers think that they have some right to view the evidence in any arbitrary criminal investigation. They would be wrong about that, of course.

Here, btw, is the rest of that show. Worth a watch. Makes you appreciate what they do, and how difficult their job is.

www dot hulu dot com/watch/70080/national-geographic-specials-the-fbi
Hulu - National Geographic Specials: The FBI


Tom

 

[SFC Ollie]

I posted links to a few pictures from a few sites, there are hundreds more, But even if that plane were somehow miraculously reconstructed you would find an argument that says it isn't the right plane or some such nonsense.

The FBI reported that about 95% of the plane was recovered.

The FBI is the lead investigating agency.


I and most of the country believe the FBI.

Sarge,

Nice to meetcha.

First, thanks for your service.

Second, there are two possible interpretations of FBI Agent Crowley's statement about the amount of the plane that was recovered.

1. That 95% of the plane was recovered & turned over to the airlines.
2. That 95% of however much was recovered was turned over to the airlines.

I don't know which one is correct. I lean a bit towards the second case, but it doesn't matter in the slightest. There is far more than enough proof that it was, in fact, UA93.

Your point about how much info the FBI has, and does not release to the public, is an excellent one. And this excerpt from a NatGeo video about the history of the FBI speaks precisely to that point. There are tens of thousands of pieces of evidence that the public does not know about. And that they don't need to know about.

The innately suspicious nature of angry young boys does not create a requirement for the FBI (or any police force or DA) to open up their evidence files to the public. Privacy concerns (and in this case, security concerns) require that those files NOT be released. Even if it cheeses them off.

I haven't posted enough to post url's yet, so you can fix the url.

www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=P72v8zryZAE
YouTube - Flight 93 Crash site evidence collected

The truthers think that they have some right to view the evidence in any arbitrary criminal investigation. They would be wrong about that, of course.

Here, btw, is the rest of that show. Worth a watch. Makes you appreciate what they do, and how difficult their job is.

www dot hulu dot com/watch/70080/national-geographic-specials-the-fbi
Hulu - National Geographic Specials: The FBI


Tom

this one?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P72v8zryZAE]YouTube - Flight 93 Crash site evidence collected[/ame]

 

[eots]

I posted links to a few pictures from a few sites, there are hundreds more, But even if that plane were somehow miraculously reconstructed you would find an argument that says it isn't the right plane or some such nonsense.

The FBI reported that about 95% of the plane was recovered.

The FBI is the lead investigating agency.


I and most of the country believe the FBI.

Sarge,

Nice to meetcha.

First, thanks for your service.

Second, there are two possible interpretations of FBI Agent Crowley's statement about the amount of the plane that was recovered.

1. That 95% of the plane was recovered & turned over to the airlines.
2. That 95% of however much was recovered was turned over to the airlines.

I don't know which one is correct. I lean a bit towards the second case, but it doesn't matter in the slightest. There is far more than enough proof that it was, in fact, UA93.

Your point about how much info the FBI has, and does not release to the public, is an excellent one. And this excerpt from a NatGeo video about the history of the FBI speaks precisely to that point. There are tens of thousands of pieces of evidence that the public does not know about. And that they don't need to know about.

The innately suspicious nature of angry young boys does not create a requirement for the FBI (or any police force or DA) to open up their evidence files to the public. Privacy concerns (and in this case, security concerns) require that those files NOT be released. Even if it cheeses them off.

I haven't posted enough to post url's yet, so you can fix the url.

www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=P72v8zryZAE
YouTube - Flight 93 Crash site evidence collected

The truthers think that they have some right to view the evidence in any arbitrary criminal investigation. They would be wrong about that, of course.

Here, btw, is the rest of that show. Worth a watch. Makes you appreciate what they do, and how difficult their job is.

www dot hulu dot com/watch/70080/national-geographic-specials-the-fbi
Hulu - National Geographic Specials: The FBI


Tom

this one?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P72v8zryZAE]YouTube - Flight 93 Crash site evidence collected[/ame]

the one that says the FBI holds the paper evidence you attrubuted to the evidence stored at iron moutain