Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[JQPublic1]

Nobody is taking a “balloon” ( ) over the border wall.

One last word about traversing Trump's Folly with controlled balloons. If helium filled party baloons can raise a man in a lawn chair thousands of feet into the air a similar arrangement controlled by coyotes could easily move people over the wall easily.
Of course some kind of quick release and cushionng would have to be added to soften. the fall...or a rope for descension might be a better id ea. Tholis could be done over and over sgain as the tethered balloons could be recovered after each trip.

 

[JQPublic1]

You don't have much of an imagination do you. I never mentioned a hot air ballon. A ballon can be made by some enterprising coyote

Will said coyote achieve said breach using an acme rocket?

The only thing looney tunes are your posts. In the real world, nobody is breaching that wall. Nobody. The people who break into our country now do so on foot with no materials available.

The best you’ll get are some drug cartels tunneling under it. And we already have that problem. So we reduce illegals from several million to a few dozen.

Well actually many of the the people coming into our country come here legally with visas.
When the visas expire they simply stay. No wall is going to keep THEM out.

 

[JQPublic1]

You don't have much of an imagination do you.

And you have waaaaaay to much of one, balloon boy.

Well Trump's wall is far more ridulous than
anything I've said. And my balloon theories won't cost the government billions of wasted dollars.

 

[P@triot]

Do you remember the Berlin wall. Aseveral people got over that wall with a home made hot air balloon .

"6. In a Hot Air Balloon
The escape orchestrated by Hans Strelczyk and Gunter Wetzel in 1979 sounds like it came straight out of a comic book. Strelczyk, a mechanic, and Wetzel, a mason, used their mechanical know-how to build a hot air balloon engine out of old propane cylinders. Their wives then pieced together a makeshift balloon from scraps of canvas and old bed sheets, and on September 16, 1979, the two couples, along with their four children, floated up to 8,000 feet and drifted over the wall to freedom."
8 Creative Ways People Went Over the Berlin Wall

Soooooo....a whopping 8 people made it over the Berlin Wall over 40 years?

Now let’s consider reality for just a moment.....mmmmK?

1. East Germany was oppressive - causing people to go to great lengths to escape. An issue we don’t face with Mexico.

2. The Berlin Wall existed in a time when drones did not patrol the sky. That instantly eliminates your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon idea.

3. In more than 4 decades - you can confirm that a total of 8 people made it over the wall with your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon nonsense? That makes the border wall worth every penny. I’ll accept 8 people “floating” into our nation over 4 decades. That is an epic Return on Investment.

 

[P@triot]

Well actually many of the the people coming into our country come here legally with visas. When the visas expire they simply stay. No wall is going to keep THEM out.

Well that’s just a matter of enforcing the law (something that Dumbocrats refuse to do but which is no big deal for Republicans).

The U.S. Marshalls will have their residence, place of employment, contacts, paper trails, digital trails, etc. It would take them less than 3 days to track down every single illegal who overstayed their visa.

 

[JQPublic1]

Do you remember the Berlin wall. Aseveral people got over that wall with a home made hot air balloon .

"6. In a Hot Air Balloon
The escape orchestrated by Hans Strelczyk and Gunter Wetzel in 1979 sounds like it came straight out of a comic book. Strelczyk, a mechanic, and Wetzel, a mason, used their mechanical know-how to build a hot air balloon engine out of old propane cylinders. Their wives then pieced together a makeshift balloon from scraps of canvas and old bed sheets, and on September 16, 1979, the two couples, along with their four children, floated up to 8,000 feet and drifted over the wall to freedom."
8 Creative Ways People Went Over the Berlin Wall

Soooooo....a whopping 8 people made it over the Berlin Wall over 40 years?

Now let’s consider reality for just a moment.....mmmmK?

1. East Germany was oppressive - causing people to go to great lengths to escape. An issue we don’t face with Mexico.

2. The Berlin Wall existed in a time when drones did not patrol the sky. That instantly eliminates your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon idea.

3. In more than 4 decades - you can confirm that a total of 8 people made it over the wall with your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon nonsense? That makes the border wall worth every penny. I’ll accept 8 people “floating” into our nation over 4 decades. That is an epic Return on Investment.

So what do you propse we do about those who overstay their visas?

 

[P@triot]

And my balloon theories won't cost the government billions of wasted dollars.

We’ve already proven that the wall will save billions. It will pay for itself in under 3 years in worst-case-scenario and will likely pay for itself in the first year.

Besides...since when are you progressives fiscally conscious? All we ever hear you people whine about is government spending like drunk sailors on “infrastructure”. Well - this is exactly what you people have demanded for the past 100 years. Funny how you suddenly don’t desire what you want when President Trump is the man giving it to you.

 

[P@triot]

Do you remember the Berlin wall. Aseveral people got over that wall with a home made hot air balloon .

"6. In a Hot Air Balloon
The escape orchestrated by Hans Strelczyk and Gunter Wetzel in 1979 sounds like it came straight out of a comic book. Strelczyk, a mechanic, and Wetzel, a mason, used their mechanical know-how to build a hot air balloon engine out of old propane cylinders. Their wives then pieced together a makeshift balloon from scraps of canvas and old bed sheets, and on September 16, 1979, the two couples, along with their four children, floated up to 8,000 feet and drifted over the wall to freedom."
8 Creative Ways People Went Over the Berlin Wall

Soooooo....a whopping 8 people made it over the Berlin Wall over 40 years?

Now let’s consider reality for just a moment.....mmmmK?

1. East Germany was oppressive - causing people to go to great lengths to escape. An issue we don’t face with Mexico.

2. The Berlin Wall existed in a time when drones did not patrol the sky. That instantly eliminates your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon idea.

3. In more than 4 decades - you can confirm that a total of 8 people made it over the wall with your Warner Brother’s hot air balloon nonsense? That makes the border wall worth every penny. I’ll accept 8 people “floating” into our nation over 4 decades. That is an epic Return on Investment.

So what do you propse we do about those who overstay their visas?

Enforce the law. Problem solved. Refer to post #745.

 

[deanrd]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

DACA deportations could cost US economy more than $400 billion

Dreamers contribute to our economy

Why would we kick out these key contributors to our economy? The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering. It would cost our economy nearly half a trillion dollars in GDP loss over the next decade. American employers would be harmed, facing $6.3 billion in unnecessary turnover costs to recruit, hire and train more than 700,000 new employees.

Appalachia: The big white ghetto

If the people here weren't 98.5 percent white, we'd call it a reservation.

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Kick them out and we wouldn't have the money or the people to pay for welfare for Republicans.

After all, Republicans are NOT going to get job training or go to school. They just don't. It's to hard and they hate that kind of work.

 

[JQPublic1]

Well actually many of the the people coming into our country come here legally with visas. When the visas expire they simply stay. No wall is going to keep THEM out.

Well that’s just a matter of enforcing the law (something that Dumbocrats refuse to do but which is no big deal for Republicans).

The U.S. Marshalls will have their residence, place of employment, contacts, paper trails, digital trails, etc. It would take them less than 3 days to track down every single illegal who overstayed their visa.

When are they going to start

Well actually many of the the people coming into our country come here legally with visas. When the visas expire they simply stay. No wall is going to keep THEM out.

Well that’s just a matter of enforcing the law (something that Dumbocrats refuse to do but which is no big deal for Republicans).

The U.S. Marshalls will have their residence, place of employment, contacts, paper trails, digital trails, etc. It would take them less than 3 days to track down every single illegal who overstayed their visa.

The visa security program operates under the auspices of Homeland Security not the US Marshals. Although the Marshals do get involved with illegal immigrants, the adminstrators are complaining that illegal immigration takes too much if their time. They percieve the threat along the border as coming from the Mexican mafia...not illegals
US Marshal concerned by wasting resources on immigration | US Immigration News

 

[P@triot]

Why would we kick out these key contributors to our economy?

Because only Dumbocrats are lawless thugs. The rest of us realize that there is no society, economy, or civilization without law and order.

 

[P@triot]

The visa security program operates under the auspices of Homeland Security not the US Marshals.

Uh...it’s the US Marshals (and ICE) that track down illegals/fugitives. Not Homeland Security.

 

[JQPublic1]

Why would we kick out these key contributors to our economy?

Because only Dumbocrats are lawless thugs. The rest of us realize that there is no society, economy, or civilization without law and order.

That's a lie.

 

[deanrd]

Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

Could you imagine losing a half trillion to build a worthless 20 billion dollar wall?
A monument to stupidity. Why would Republicans be proud of something that make them look like tards to the rest of the world?
And they think they are so good at economics.

 

[P@triot]

The economic impact of removing nearly 700,000 workers from the U.S. workforce would be staggering.

The economic impact of investigating, indicting, prosecuting, and incarcerating rape and murder is staggering. But that isn’t even a remotely reasonable excuse for not doing it.

Besides...don’t even pretend for a moment that you progressives give a shit about being fiscally conscious. You people cheered like hell as Barack Insane Obama added a staggering, mind-numbing $10 trillion to the national debt. You made every excuse in the world and thought it was fantastic.

 

[P@triot]

Why would we kick out these key contributors to our economy?

Because only Dumbocrats are lawless thugs. The rest of us realize that there is no society, economy, or civilization without law and order.

That's a lie.

Prove it. Only one side isn’t enforcing the law my friend, and it sure as hell isn’t the right.

 

[P@triot]

Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

Could you imagine losing a half trillion to build a worthless 20 billion dollar wall?
A monument to stupidity. Why would Republicans be proud of something that make them look like tards to the rest of the world?
And they think they are so good at economics.

Well..as the link in your post states...illegal immigration costs us $148.3 billion per year. Which means the wall will pay for itself in about 2 months. After that, we’ll have an extra $148.3 billion per year for our debt, for Americans, etc.

Math not your strong point?

 

[JQPublic1]

The visa security program operates under the auspices of Homeland Security not the US Marshals.

Uh...it’s the US Marshals (and ICE) that track down illegals/fugitives. Not Homeland Security.

We were talking about people who overstay their visas. Here is the validationation:

Visa Security Program

 

[P@triot]

One last word about traversing Trump's Folly with controlled balloons. If helium filled party baloons can raise a man in a lawn chair thousands of feet into the air a similar arrangement controlled by coyotes could easily move people over the wall easily.
Of course some kind of quick release and cushionng would have to be added to soften. the fall...or a rope for descension might be a better id ea. Tholis could be done over and over sgain as the tethered balloons could be recovered after each trip.

Yeah...because everyone has thousands of feet of rope to “tether” a balloon and pull it back. Plus...nobody would ever see that. Least of all, the drones patrolling our borders.

 

[P@triot]

The visa security program operates under the auspices of Homeland Security not the US Marshals.

Uh...it’s the US Marshals (and ICE) that track down illegals/fugitives. Not Homeland Security.

We were talking about people who overstay their visas. Here is the validationation:

Visa Security Program

Yeah. I know. Are you struggling to keep up here? When they over stay their visas, it will be ICE or the U.S. Marshals that will track them down. And it will be done in just a couple of days due to technology and the information require by the visa program.