Trump's First FAILED Promise

[AntonToo]

And of course i was proven right, almost instantly. You are uninformed. YOU have wishful fantasies, while i was 100% right the entire time.


Zelenski - "I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive.

Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively."

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/04/europe/zelensky-trump-argument-comment-ukraine-intl/index.html

....? What were you right about?

 

[Godboy]

....? What were you right about?

That Zalenski would accept a peace deal and there wont be nukes or a european security force in Ukraine while it was an active warzone. You know... i was right about EVERYTHING that you and i debated. Go back and read our whole conversation if you need a refresher, you uninformed retard.

 

[AntonToo]

That Zalenski would accept a peace deal and there wont be nukes or a european security force in Ukraine while it was an active warzone. You know... i was right about EVERYTHING that you and i debated. Go back and read our whole conversation if you need a refresher, you uninformed retard.

Where did Zelensky agree to any actual deal?

Nowhere is the right answer.

He has to come negotiate to retain support and make it clear that Putin is the one that actually doesn’t want peace, so long as that means Ukraine he can’t control.

Key words from Zelensky - LASTING PEACE. I’ll translate them for you - SECURITY GUARANTEES.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The OP is about Trump being in office 41 days and ALREADY one of his STRONGEST promises has been broken. The first promise that Biden broke, it took him 100 days to break and It wasn't stated as convincingly as Trump.

Establish "police oversight board" in the first 100 days: Not kept

As a candidate, Mr. Biden pledged in the days after George Floyd's death to form a national police oversight board in his first 100 days in office, if elected.

But the White House announced earlier this month it would not create the oversight board. After talking with civil rights groups, the White House said it had concluded the most effective way to address the issues at hand would be to pass the proposed George Floyd Justice in Policing Act into law. The police reform bill is currently being discussed by Democratic and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill.

On top of that, Biden kept 33% of his promises while Trump only 25%

Again with the "yours was worse". You can't do it can you? It pains you to admit your side does these things too, doesn't it?


Come on, just say it! It feels good I promise! "Both sides break campaign promises"....you can do it!

 

[Godboy]

Where did Zelensky agree to any actual deal?

Nowhere is the right answer.

He has to come negotiate to retain support and make it clear that Putin is the one that actually doesn’t want peace, so long as that means Ukraine he can’t control.

Key words from Zelensky - LASTING PEACE. I’ll translate them for you - SECURITY GUARANTEES.

The mineral deal is his security guarantee. Z will come back to Trump and they will negotiate peace. Thats how this ends. None of your stupid ideas are ever going to happen.

 

[Luckyone]

Again with the "yours was worse". You can't do it can you? It pains you to admit your side does these things too, doesn't it?


Come on, just say it! It feels good I promise! "Both sides break campaign promises"....you can do it!

"both sides break campaign promises"

Are you ecstatic now?

Does not cancel the fact that Trump breaks more than any other president, is more incompetent than any other president, lies more than any other president, has been voted the worst president ever, and his broken promises are of the kind that a conman would make.

 

[AntonToo]

The mineral deal is his security guarantee.

There are no security gurantees in the mineral deal, nothing to prevent Putin from re-invading.

Stop posting ludecrous bullshit.

 

[Godboy]

There are no security gurantees in the mineral deal, nothing to prevent Putin from re-invading.

Stop posting ludecrous bullshit.

There is no such thing as a security "guarantee". We told Ukraine that if they gave up their nukes, we would protect them from an invasion. How did that work out? Maybe if we had a minerals deal, we wouldnt have allowed the invasion, but without a financial incentive, we will absolutely stand aside again the next time Russia goes after their land.

 

[ThisIsMe]

"both sides break campaign promises"

Are you ecstatic now?

Does not cancel the fact that Trump breaks more than any other president, is more incompetent than any other president, lies more than any other president, has been voted the worst president ever, and his broken promises are of the kind that a conman would make.

I understand everyone has opinions that's fine but the subject WE are on is campaign promises. If you want to say trump is worse because he broke campaign more promises, that's fine, my point is everyone does it.

By the way, I looked at about the first 12 of politifacts list of trump "promises", and it's pretty weak. Some are accurate, others are just trump thinking put loud like "we should do this" or "id like to see this done", some were thwarted by the democrat congress, but from what I'm seeing them calling a "promise broken" was never him saying we're "going to do this but rather musing about different things.

I think they look at hyperbole and use it as a "promise broken" stat. They did the same thing to obaba when he said he would "put on a pair of comfortable shoes and walk the picket lines with you". They called that a promise broken....I don't think anyone REALLY expected him to go out and picket...he was just trying to show solidarity with them.

 

[AntonToo]

There is no such thing as a security "guarantee".

Dummy, which NATO country on it's border did Russia dare to invade?

 

[Godboy]

Dummy, which NATO country on it's border did Russia dare to invade?

Which countries gave Putin access to the black sea?

Ukraine is NEVER getting into NATO. You can forget about that childish pipe dream.

 

[AntonToo]

Which countries gave Putin access to the black sea?

Ukraine is NEVER getting into NATO. You can forget about that childish pipe dream.

...what the fuck? Did you ever look at the map? Russia has a whole black sea shoreline with it's own naval base in Novorossiysk.

NATO is an example of security guarantee that has worked very well dummy. It's not the only way to ensure Russia doesn't re-invade but you saying that there is no such thing as a security garantee is ludecrous nonsense.

 

[Godboy]

...what the fuck? Did you ever look at the map? Russia has a whole black sea shoreline with it's own naval base in Novorossiysk.

NATO is an example of security guarantee that has worked very well dummy. It's not the only way to ensure Russia doesn't re-invade but you saying that there is no such thing as a security garantee is ludecrous nonsense.

You are delusional. NATO is never going to happen.

 

[AntonToo]

You are delusional. NATO is never going to happen.

Are you going to actually read what you are explained or are you going to continue to post these idiotic strawmen?

Ukraine may or may not get NATO membership like other ex-USSR countries, but there is certainly other ways to give it security guarantees.

 

[Godboy]

Are you going to actually read what you are explained or are you going to continue to post these idiotic strawmen?

Ukraine may or may not get NATO membership like other ex-USSR countries, but there is certainly other ways to give it security guarantees.

There is no guarantee better than a multi billion dollar American minerals deal.

 

[AntonToo]

There is no guarantee better than a multi billion dollar American minerals deal.

AGAIN - How the hell does a mineral deal guarantee Putin will not invade?

All it does is give exclusive mining rights to American companies who will run out of the country as soon as another invasion breaks out.

 

[Godboy]

AGAIN - How the hell does a mineral deal guarantee Putin will not invade?

All it does is give exclusive mining rights to American companies who will run out of the country as soon as another invasion breaks out.

There is a LONG history of the US going to war over oil. Block a major oil shipping lane, you get a carrier fleet shoved up your ass. Minerals are the new oil. There is no circumstance in which we will allow any nation to get between us and our precious resources. We will kill THOUSANDS over it without one ounce of remorse.

 

[AntonToo]

There is a LONG history of the US going to war over oil.

United States has NEVER gone into any wars with nuclear armed countries. There is exactly zero such history.

There is exactly nothing in the mineral deal giving Ukraine any security assurances, let alone guarantees.

 

[Godboy]

United States has NEVER gone into any wars with nuclear armed countries. There is exactly zero such history.

The same goes for Russia. Get it NOW?!

 

[AntonToo]

The same goes for Russia. Get it NOW?!

UKRAINE IS NOT A NUCLEAR ARMED COUNTRY YOU FUCKING FOOL.

UKRAINE is the one without security guarantees exactly BECAUSE America pressured them to give up their nukes.

They won't sign any peace deal that leaves Putin free to invade with impunity whenever he feels the moment is right.