Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

[eagle1462010]

Dear Santa

One welder wanted to cut metal

Welders don't cut metal dumbass! It puts it together!

Not true, then the amps up high enough you will cut/melt the parent metal with any rod!

Gouging rod will cut......again to high amps......but yes a welding rod will cut steel.

Better to use a torch rig............or a Plas arc machine........
I doubt those making the original comment have a clue though.

 

[ErikViking]

Look, a wall is something you need to defend. It’s a defensive installation. I can’t understand the obsession.

You cannot expect any design to be more than a strategic advantage of the defending party.

The “wall” can be a ditch, a fence or a concrete fortification, it doesn’t really matter. It’s all about your willingness to defend it that counts.

 

[edward37]

Look, a wall is something you need to defend. It’s a defensive installation. I can’t understand the obsession.

You cannot expect any design to be more than a strategic advantage of the defending party.

The “wall” can be a ditch, a fence or a concrete fortification, it doesn’t really matter. It’s all about your willingness to defend it that counts.

I'm all for a moat ,,,filled with gators

 

[eagle1462010]

Look, a wall is something you need to defend. It’s a defensive installation. I can’t understand the obsession.

You cannot expect any design to be more than a strategic advantage of the defending party.

The “wall” can be a ditch, a fence or a concrete fortification, it doesn’t really matter. It’s all about your willingness to defend it that counts.

I'm all for a moat ,,,filled with gators

We will fill it with water from North California.................LOL

 

[McRocket]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Ummm...it is common knowledge in the drug community (which I used to be a part of) that FAR AND AWAY most illegal drugs come straight through mass traffic, border locations...not out-of-the-way areas along the border.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

 

[McRocket]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

This is from the DEA - who know a HECK of a lot more about drug smuggling than Trump does.

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there. And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[eagle1462010]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there.

And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

My god..................do you smell the scent of desperation in these posts..........

 

[ErikViking]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there.

And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

It nailed it in the sense that before even put it to place it made someone see the effect of it. This whole business is about perception.

 

[McRocket]

Dear Santa

One welder wanted to cut metal

Welders don't cut metal dumbass! It puts it together!

Yes they do, you welding ignoramus.

 

[eagle1462010]

Dear Santa

One welder wanted to cut metal

Welders don't cut metal dumbass! It puts it together!

Yes they do, you welding ignoramus.

ummm..............that is a torch............LOL

 

[ErikViking]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

This is from the DEA - who know a HECK of a lot more about drug smuggling than Trump does.

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there. And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

I do have to agree about the last sentence. It’s ridiculous.

 

[McRocket]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there.

And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

It nailed it in the sense that before even put it to place it made someone see the effect of it. This whole business is about perception.

But it didn't as the post I made shows - from the DEA - that the wall has almost nothing to do with drug smuggling as the vast majority of it comes through mass-transit points.

The price of the drug would have almost nothing to do with a higher wall.

 

[Kilroy2]

and now the pos blames dems for the deaths of 2 children ? Is there no end to this scumbags political rants and raves?

Dims are encouraging illegals to rush the border, so they are responsible.

You really believe this out of control president is good for our country? Sooner or later republicans will come to their senses and rid us of this vile pos

Look at the silly wall?

They freak out about it, yet seem to NEVER mention the obvious way to fix the illegal immigration problem...severely punish those who employ illegal immigrants. Cut off the main financial reason for illegal immigrants to come to America.


Really and even ET business entities hire illegals and even in the farm industries hire workers without checking ID. Then again how many americans want to be farm laborers

I would even say that creating more jobs in their own country would even help stem the flow.

 

[bripat9643]

Look, a wall is something you need to defend. It’s a defensive installation. I can’t understand the obsession.

You cannot expect any design to be more than a strategic advantage of the defending party.

The “wall” can be a ditch, a fence or a concrete fortification, it doesn’t really matter. It’s all about your willingness to defend it that counts.

 

[McRocket]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

This is from the DEA - who know a HECK of a lot more about drug smuggling than Trump does.

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there. And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

I do have to agree about the last sentence. It’s ridiculous.

I am actually for a wall. But there is no point in building one that will do little to stop illegal drugs (according to the DEA) or illegal immigrants.

I say build an Israeli-style wall. Now that WILL stop illegal immigrants coming over/under the wall (still would not stop illegal drugs though - that is a separate problem).

But the cost would be massive. Still I would be for it IF it was taken from the military budget (i.e. - NO increase in spending).

But I am not for some half assed wall that will make almost no difference.


Plus, why is Trump not talking about MASSIVE penalties for those Americans who employ illegal aliens?

Simple, lots of Republicans depend on illegal aliens for cheap labor.

 

[ErikViking]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there.

And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

It nailed it in the sense that before even put it to place it made someone see the effect of it. This whole business is about perception.

But it didn't as the post I made shows - from the DEA - that the wall has almost nothing to do with drug smuggling as the vast majority of it comes through mass-transit points.

The price of the drug would have almost nothing to do with a higher wall.

I know what you mean. And well, not really my point - sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

The mere idea about a wall sends signals, in this case someone claimed effects in a certain direction regarding drug prices. I have no idea of it’s validity, I just commented on the reflection.

 

[McRocket]

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there.

And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

It nailed it in the sense that before even put it to place it made someone see the effect of it. This whole business is about perception.

But it didn't as the post I made shows - from the DEA - that the wall has almost nothing to do with drug smuggling as the vast majority of it comes through mass-transit points.

The price of the drug would have almost nothing to do with a higher wall.

I know what you mean. And well, not really my point - sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

The mere idea about a wall sends signals, in this case someone claimed effects in a certain direction regarding drug prices. I have no idea of it’s validity, I just commented on the reflection.

Fair enough.

You at least seem to have an open mind on this issue.

And, again, I am FOR a wall. But either make it a GREAT one or just leave it as a token one.

One in between (like Trump's plan) does nothing for me.

 

[bodecea]

Lmao the dopes are analyzing a drawing not a blue print lol fcking dopes

How much have you donated so far for the wall?

 

[ErikViking]

Look, a wall is something you need to defend. It’s a defensive installation. I can’t understand the obsession.

You cannot expect any design to be more than a strategic advantage of the defending party.

The “wall” can be a ditch, a fence or a concrete fortification, it doesn’t really matter. It’s all about your willingness to defend it that counts.

So you are trying to confirm what I just said?

 

[bripat9643]

'US president Donald Trump has tweeted details of the design for the proposed $5 billion wall along the Mexican border, prompting ridicule from designers.


Trump posted a graphic of the barrier on 21 December 2018, along with the words: "A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful!"

In response, designers pointed out that the barrier is "technically not a wall" and that if to scale, it would be over 12 metres high and the gaps between the slats would be wide enough for people to squeeze through.

The image in Trump's tweet showed a row of tall columns with gaps between them and pointed tops. A car, identified by some as a Chevrolet Tahoe, featured in the drawing to illustrate the scale.

"Not to be a curmudgeon but technically this is not a wall," responded architect Cameron Sinclair, former head of social innovation at Airbnb.

Last week the US senate refused to fund the construction of the barrier, which Trump had previously stated he would force Mexico to pay for. In response, Trump ordered the partial shutdown of the government.

Wall design picked apart on Twitter

Alex Bozikovic, architecture critic at Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail, described the design as "unfathomably stupid".

"What kind of foundations would this thing require?" he asked. "How many tons of concrete to keep each 'slat' vertical?"

PhD student Reyna Knight was one of several people who calculated the dimensions of the barrier by using the known measurements of the car.

"So if it's to scale, the slats are 190 millimetres (7.5 inches) with 316-millimetre (12.4-inch) spaces," she calculated, meaning people could slip between the gaps. "So just slide through sideways!" she wrote.

Retired police officer Mark West worked out the barrier would be 40 feet (12.2 metres) tall.

"There'd be a pretty high wind load on that thing," said architect Mark Hogan in response.'

Trump's "beautiful" Steel Slat Barrier for Mexican border lampooned by designers

Interesting.

Just the News of the wall is effecting the price of drugs. Mexican paper reports that the gangs that were doing the heroine trade are not getting good prices and have started to gold mind and cut trees. So Mexico is flooded with Heroine they can't get it across the border very easily.

Can’t even get myself bothered anymore. Post #5 nailed it. (Quoted)

The concept, the signal value itself, the symbolic is of more value than the physical object.

No...post#5 did not 'nail it'.

Will a wall stem the flow of drugs from Mexico as Trump promised?

This is from the DEA - who know a HECK of a lot more about drug smuggling than Trump does.

'National Drug Threat Assessment Summary, October 2015: Mexican TCOs transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers. Once across the Southwest Border, the drugs are transported to stash houses in hub cities such as Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Phoenix, and then transported via these same conveyances to distribution groups in the Midwest and on the East Coast.

Mexican TCOs also smuggle drugs across the Southwest Border using other methods. Marijuana is occasionally trafficked through subterranean tunnels connected to a network of safe houses on both the Mexico and the US sides of the border. Mexican TCOs also transport marijuana via commercial cargo trains and on small boats, often referred to as “pangas,” from the West Coast of Baja California north to the central California coast. Finally, Mexican TCOs have also transported drugs across the Southwest Border using ultralight aircraft.'

Will Trump's Wall Stop Drug Smuggling? - FactCheck.org

A bigger wall will do almost nothing to stop illegal drug smuggling.


And there already IS a wall...it's not like there is nothing there. And building a higher wall will NOT stop illegals from getting across unless you monitor every foot of it 24 hours a day.

Now, I am for building walls where there currently is none - that just makes sense.

But building some giant thing that is still easy to get through is silly.

And to shut down government for weeks/months over this - as you call, 'symbolic' wall - is absolutely ridiculous.

I do have to agree about the last sentence. It’s ridiculous.

I am actually for a wall. But there is no point in building one that will do little to stop illegal drugs (according to the DEA) or illegal immigrants.

I say build an Israeli-style wall. Now that WILL stop illegal immigrants coming over/under the wall.

But the cost would be massive. Still I would be for it IF it was taken from the military budget (i.e. - NO increase in spending).

But I am not for some half assed wall that will make almost no difference.


Plus, why is Trump not talking about MASSIVE penalties for those Americans who employ illegal aliens?

Simple, lots of Republicans depend on illegal aliens for cheap labor.

The Israeli wall is 440 miles long and cost $2.6 billion. Based on that price, a similar wall on our southern border would cost $11.8 billion.