Trump working on pardoning people accused of war crimes

[RetiredGySgt]

So much better when Clinton was getting paid to pardon criminals right? In this case the men were convicted not because what they did was so bad but because it wasn't PC.

Targeting and murdering unarmed civilians has nothing to do with PC.

Trump pardons former US soldier convicted of killing Iraqi prisoner

You want to do that job? Watching your closest comrades get bombed over and over again by folks who HIDE amongst civilians to build and lay and detonate the bombs??

They are not fighting a uniformed military... Just because they hide as civilians doesn't mean they are not combatants....

The U.S. follows the rules of engagement. This was an issue that General McChrystal dealt with before Obama relieved him of his duties. You can't shoot unarmed people who are no immediate threat to you. It's tough sometimes obviously when you are dealing with basically urban warfare, but that's the rules.

The soldier in question was DENIED the right to defend himself he claimed the prisoner tried to take his side arm and was shot in the scuffle, the Military refused to let him say that in court.

I bet there was a really good reason for that. How often does a military court not allow the defendant to testify on his own behalf?

I doubt it since NUMEROUS Generals all backed his pardon.

 

[toobfreak]

Easy enough to see who is the liar, But then, nothing really new here.

Nope, nothing new here is the freeking idiot like you staring at the bold evidence before your eye that the list existed and was updated many times in a thread that the Coyote said I fabricated and looking at a Venn diagram of dots without knowing anything about what it takes to get a dot to a certain position yet drawing wholesale conclusions contrary to the evidence. This is how the idiot Left always know so much as Reagan once said---- ---- except that most of it is always WRONG.

Wrong in 2010, wrong in 2012, wrong in 2014, really wrong in 2016 and will be assblaster wrong in 2020. Have a good mind dump.

 

[JoeB131]

Cally served his time in house arrest in his quarters
Not bad for slaughtering unarmed civilians

Trump would be proud

Actually, the real criminal was whoever decided, "Yup, let's make this guy a 2LT."

That said, most of these guys didn't ask to get sent to Iraq and put in a situation where they showed poor judgment and people died. Yes, throw them out of the military.. but having a conviction hanging over the heads for the rest of their lives for serving their country? I'm not so sure.

War, right and wrong tend to blur. My dad told me during WWII, that their supply trains were being regularly robbed by French civilians.. until they started shooting them.

In this case where Trump pardoned the guy, the Army deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence.

 

[bripat9643]

No low to low for a man who openly admires and seeks to emulate dictators and authoritarians.

Our military has standards and codes. It is professional and strict. Something our enemies typically lack. Trump seems to want them to emulate our enemies. No surprise.

Trump may pardon US soldiers accused or convicted of war crimes – report

Legal experts cited in the report said pardoning several accused and convicted war criminals, including some who have not yet gone to trial, has not been done in recent history. Some worried such pardons could erode the legitimacy of military law.

Trump has already pardoned a convicted murderer; why not pardon more murderers?

Makes perfect sense for TrumpAssHole.

It looks like you're the asshole. The so-called "murder victim" was a murdering terrorists.

Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man​

During a deployment in Iraq in 2008, First Lt. Michael Behenna and his platoon believed the man, Ali Mansur, was a terrorist linked to Al Qaeda. They took him to a remote part of the Iraqi desert to question him about a previous attack that left two American soldiers dead, according to court filings. During the interrogation, Lieutenant Behenna shot Mr. Mansur in the head and chest.

Mr. Behenna has said he acted in self-defense and that Mr. Mansur had thrown a piece of concrete at him and reached for his gun.

In 2009, the military court found him guilty of “unpremeditated murder in a combat zone,” and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison, the White House said in a statement Monday. He was released on parole in 2014.

In its statement, the White House said that Mr. Behenna “has attracted broad support from the military, Oklahoma elected officials, and the public.”

“Further, while serving his sentence,” it continued, “Mr. Behenna was a model prisoner. In light of these facts, Mr. Behenna is entirely deserving of this Grant of Executive Clemency.”​

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

 

[miketx]

No low to low for a man who openly admires and seeks to emulate dictators and authoritarians.

Our military has standards and codes. It is professional and strict. Something our enemies typically lack. Trump seems to want them to emulate our enemies. No surprise.

Trump may pardon US soldiers accused or convicted of war crimes – report

Legal experts cited in the report said pardoning several accused and convicted war criminals, including some who have not yet gone to trial, has not been done in recent history. Some worried such pardons could erode the legitimacy of military law.

Trumps first pardon circa 1913.

 

[Olde Europe]

In this case where Trump pardoned the guy, the Army deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence.

Did you look at that statement with anything like a hint of skepticism? For if that were true and an established fact, the man wouldn't need a pardon, because the conviction would likely have been thrown out on appeal. But his appeals were dismissed.

So, where did you find that crap? And, you didn't willfully confuse Behenna's mere claim that "exculpatory evidence" was withheld with an actual fact, or did you?

Behenna is a murderer. He humiliated an Iraqi, interrogated him after the man had been exonerated, and, in the best reading, went about it so incompetently that the man had a chance to go after Behenna's weapon, and he couldn't control the situation without murdering the man. More likely, he was outraged and out of his mind that any of Those people had the unprecedented temerity to fight back against an occupying force.

Trump's pardon will be widely perceived, throughout the Arabic / Muslim world, as more evidence that mollycoddling murderers in the oh-so law-abiding and human rights-upholding West is the thing to do, not least because the lives of Those people count for nothing. How do you think that will play? Behenna's murderous rage, along with Trump's propensity to "stick it to Them", are likely to cost quite a few lives.

 

[bripat9643]

No low to low for a man who openly admires and seeks to emulate dictators and authoritarians.

Our military has standards and codes. It is professional and strict. Something our enemies typically lack. Trump seems to want them to emulate our enemies. No surprise.

Trump may pardon US soldiers accused or convicted of war crimes – report

Legal experts cited in the report said pardoning several accused and convicted war criminals, including some who have not yet gone to trial, has not been done in recent history. Some worried such pardons could erode the legitimacy of military law.

View attachment 261572

Trumps first pardon circa 1913.

Hitler didn't become chancellor of Germany until 1933, moron.

Thanks for proving that there is no bar so low that you won't go under it.

 

[bripat9643]

In this case where Trump pardoned the guy, the Army deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence.

Did you look at that statement with anything like a hint of skepticism? For if that were true and an established fact, the man wouldn't need a pardon, because the conviction would likely have been thrown out on appeal. But his appeals were dismissed.

So, where did you find that crap? And, you didn't willfully confuse Behenna's mere claim that "exculpatory evidence" was withheld with an actual fact, or did you?

Behenna is a murderer. He humiliated an Iraqi, interrogated him after the man had been exonerated, and, in the best reading, went about it so incompetently that the man had a chance to go after Behenna's weapon, and he couldn't control the situation without murdering the man. More likely, he was outraged and out of his mind that any of Those people had the unprecedented temerity to fight back against an occupying force.

Trump's pardon will be widely perceived, throughout the Arabic / Muslim world, as more evidence that mollycoddling murderers in the oh-so law-abiding and human rights-upholding West is the thing to do, not least because the lives of Those people count for nothing. How do you think that will play? Behenna's murderous rage, along with Trump's propensity to "stick it to Them", are likely to cost quite a few lives.

Leftwingers are always worried about what the enemy thinks, even if it places the lives of Americans in danger.

 

[caddo kid]

No low to low for a man who openly admires and seeks to emulate dictators and authoritarians.

Our military has standards and codes. It is professional and strict. Something our enemies typically lack. Trump seems to want them to emulate our enemies. No surprise.

Trump may pardon US soldiers accused or convicted of war crimes – report

Legal experts cited in the report said pardoning several accused and convicted war criminals, including some who have not yet gone to trial, has not been done in recent history. Some worried such pardons could erode the legitimacy of military law.

Trump has already pardoned a convicted murderer; why not pardon more murderers?

Makes perfect sense for TrumpAssHole.

It looks like you're the asshole. The so-called "murder victim" was a murdering terrorists.

Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man​

During a deployment in Iraq in 2008, First Lt. Michael Behenna and his platoon believed the man, Ali Mansur, was a terrorist linked to Al Qaeda. They took him to a remote part of the Iraqi desert to question him about a previous attack that left two American soldiers dead, according to court filings. During the interrogation, Lieutenant Behenna shot Mr. Mansur in the head and chest.

Mr. Behenna has said he acted in self-defense and that Mr. Mansur had thrown a piece of concrete at him and reached for his gun.

In 2009, the military court found him guilty of “unpremeditated murder in a combat zone,” and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison, the White House said in a statement Monday. He was released on parole in 2014.

In its statement, the White House said that Mr. Behenna “has attracted broad support from the military, Oklahoma elected officials, and the public.”

“Further, while serving his sentence,” it continued, “Mr. Behenna was a model prisoner. In light of these facts, Mr. Behenna is entirely deserving of this Grant of Executive Clemency.”​

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

 

[bripat9643]

No low to low for a man who openly admires and seeks to emulate dictators and authoritarians.

Our military has standards and codes. It is professional and strict. Something our enemies typically lack. Trump seems to want them to emulate our enemies. No surprise.

Trump may pardon US soldiers accused or convicted of war crimes – report

Legal experts cited in the report said pardoning several accused and convicted war criminals, including some who have not yet gone to trial, has not been done in recent history. Some worried such pardons could erode the legitimacy of military law.

Trump has already pardoned a convicted murderer; why not pardon more murderers?

Makes perfect sense for TrumpAssHole.

It looks like you're the asshole. The so-called "murder victim" was a murdering terrorists.

Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man​

During a deployment in Iraq in 2008, First Lt. Michael Behenna and his platoon believed the man, Ali Mansur, was a terrorist linked to Al Qaeda. They took him to a remote part of the Iraqi desert to question him about a previous attack that left two American soldiers dead, according to court filings. During the interrogation, Lieutenant Behenna shot Mr. Mansur in the head and chest.

Mr. Behenna has said he acted in self-defense and that Mr. Mansur had thrown a piece of concrete at him and reached for his gun.

In 2009, the military court found him guilty of “unpremeditated murder in a combat zone,” and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison, the White House said in a statement Monday. He was released on parole in 2014.

In its statement, the White House said that Mr. Behenna “has attracted broad support from the military, Oklahoma elected officials, and the public.”

“Further, while serving his sentence,” it continued, “Mr. Behenna was a model prisoner. In light of these facts, Mr. Behenna is entirely deserving of this Grant of Executive Clemency.”​

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers?"

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Who did Trump murder. douchebag? Like all leftists scum, you automatically assume the American military is guilty of whatever you weasels accuse it of.

 

[miketx]

No low to low for a man who openly admires and seeks to emulate dictators and authoritarians.

Our military has standards and codes. It is professional and strict. Something our enemies typically lack. Trump seems to want them to emulate our enemies. No surprise.

Trump may pardon US soldiers accused or convicted of war crimes – report

Legal experts cited in the report said pardoning several accused and convicted war criminals, including some who have not yet gone to trial, has not been done in recent history. Some worried such pardons could erode the legitimacy of military law.

View attachment 261572

Trumps first pardon circa 1913.

Hitler didn't become chancellor of Germany until 1933, moron.

Thanks for proving that there is no bar so low that you won't go under it.

Dood, I took that image!

 

[miketx]

In this case where Trump pardoned the guy, the Army deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence.

Did you look at that statement with anything like a hint of skepticism? For if that were true and an established fact, the man wouldn't need a pardon, because the conviction would likely have been thrown out on appeal. But his appeals were dismissed.

So, where did you find that crap? And, you didn't willfully confuse Behenna's mere claim that "exculpatory evidence" was withheld with an actual fact, or did you?

Behenna is a murderer. He humiliated an Iraqi, interrogated him after the man had been exonerated, and, in the best reading, went about it so incompetently that the man had a chance to go after Behenna's weapon, and he couldn't control the situation without murdering the man. More likely, he was outraged and out of his mind that any of Those people had the unprecedented temerity to fight back against an occupying force.

Trump's pardon will be widely perceived, throughout the Arabic / Muslim world, as more evidence that mollycoddling murderers in the oh-so law-abiding and human rights-upholding West is the thing to do, not least because the lives of Those people count for nothing. How do you think that will play? Behenna's murderous rage, along with Trump's propensity to "stick it to Them", are likely to cost quite a few lives.

Don't question slow Joe, he knows it all.

 

[bripat9643]

No low to low for a man who openly admires and seeks to emulate dictators and authoritarians.

Our military has standards and codes. It is professional and strict. Something our enemies typically lack. Trump seems to want them to emulate our enemies. No surprise.

Trump may pardon US soldiers accused or convicted of war crimes – report

Legal experts cited in the report said pardoning several accused and convicted war criminals, including some who have not yet gone to trial, has not been done in recent history. Some worried such pardons could erode the legitimacy of military law.

Trump has already pardoned a convicted murderer; why not pardon more murderers?

Makes perfect sense for TrumpAssHole.

It looks like you're the asshole. The so-called "murder victim" was a murdering terrorists.

Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man​

During a deployment in Iraq in 2008, First Lt. Michael Behenna and his platoon believed the man, Ali Mansur, was a terrorist linked to Al Qaeda. They took him to a remote part of the Iraqi desert to question him about a previous attack that left two American soldiers dead, according to court filings. During the interrogation, Lieutenant Behenna shot Mr. Mansur in the head and chest.

Mr. Behenna has said he acted in self-defense and that Mr. Mansur had thrown a piece of concrete at him and reached for his gun.

In 2009, the military court found him guilty of “unpremeditated murder in a combat zone,” and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison, the White House said in a statement Monday. He was released on parole in 2014.

In its statement, the White House said that Mr. Behenna “has attracted broad support from the military, Oklahoma elected officials, and the public.”

“Further, while serving his sentence,” it continued, “Mr. Behenna was a model prisoner. In light of these facts, Mr. Behenna is entirely deserving of this Grant of Executive Clemency.”​

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Not exactly:

Courts-Martial Explained

General Court-Martial

A general court-martial consists of not less than five members and a military judge, or an accused may be tried by military judge alone upon request of the accused.
​

Furthermore, no one on the court may be inferior in rank to the person being tried.

 

[caddo kid]

Trump has already pardoned a convicted murderer; why not pardon more murderers?

Makes perfect sense for TrumpAssHole.

It looks like you're the asshole. The so-called "murder victim" was a murdering terrorists.

Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man​

During a deployment in Iraq in 2008, First Lt. Michael Behenna and his platoon believed the man, Ali Mansur, was a terrorist linked to Al Qaeda. They took him to a remote part of the Iraqi desert to question him about a previous attack that left two American soldiers dead, according to court filings. During the interrogation, Lieutenant Behenna shot Mr. Mansur in the head and chest.

Mr. Behenna has said he acted in self-defense and that Mr. Mansur had thrown a piece of concrete at him and reached for his gun.

In 2009, the military court found him guilty of “unpremeditated murder in a combat zone,” and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison, the White House said in a statement Monday. He was released on parole in 2014.

In its statement, the White House said that Mr. Behenna “has attracted broad support from the military, Oklahoma elected officials, and the public.”

“Further, while serving his sentence,” it continued, “Mr. Behenna was a model prisoner. In light of these facts, Mr. Behenna is entirely deserving of this Grant of Executive Clemency.”​

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Not exactly:

Courts-Martial Explained

General Court-Martial

A general court-martial consists of not less than five members and a military judge, or an accused may be tried by military judge alone upon request of the accused.
​

Furthermore, no one on the court may be inferior in rank to the person being tried.

The convicted murderer was tried & convicted, which we know isn't good enuff for you.

The guy had his day in court; guilty.

 

[bripat9643]

It looks like you're the asshole. The so-called "murder victim" was a murdering terrorists.

Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man​

During a deployment in Iraq in 2008, First Lt. Michael Behenna and his platoon believed the man, Ali Mansur, was a terrorist linked to Al Qaeda. They took him to a remote part of the Iraqi desert to question him about a previous attack that left two American soldiers dead, according to court filings. During the interrogation, Lieutenant Behenna shot Mr. Mansur in the head and chest.

Mr. Behenna has said he acted in self-defense and that Mr. Mansur had thrown a piece of concrete at him and reached for his gun.

In 2009, the military court found him guilty of “unpremeditated murder in a combat zone,” and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison, the White House said in a statement Monday. He was released on parole in 2014.

In its statement, the White House said that Mr. Behenna “has attracted broad support from the military, Oklahoma elected officials, and the public.”

“Further, while serving his sentence,” it continued, “Mr. Behenna was a model prisoner. In light of these facts, Mr. Behenna is entirely deserving of this Grant of Executive Clemency.”​

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Not exactly:

Courts-Martial Explained

General Court-Martial

A general court-martial consists of not less than five members and a military judge, or an accused may be tried by military judge alone upon request of the accused.
​

Furthermore, no one on the court may be inferior in rank to the person being tried.

The convicted murderer was tried & convicted, which we know isn't good enuff for you.

The guy had his day in court; guilty.

And now he's pardoned. We know that enrages Stalinists like you.

 

[miketx]

It looks like you're the asshole. The so-called "murder victim" was a murdering terrorists.

Trump Pardons Ex-Army Soldier Convicted of Killing Iraqi Man​

During a deployment in Iraq in 2008, First Lt. Michael Behenna and his platoon believed the man, Ali Mansur, was a terrorist linked to Al Qaeda. They took him to a remote part of the Iraqi desert to question him about a previous attack that left two American soldiers dead, according to court filings. During the interrogation, Lieutenant Behenna shot Mr. Mansur in the head and chest.

Mr. Behenna has said he acted in self-defense and that Mr. Mansur had thrown a piece of concrete at him and reached for his gun.

In 2009, the military court found him guilty of “unpremeditated murder in a combat zone,” and he was sentenced to 25 years in prison, the White House said in a statement Monday. He was released on parole in 2014.

In its statement, the White House said that Mr. Behenna “has attracted broad support from the military, Oklahoma elected officials, and the public.”

“Further, while serving his sentence,” it continued, “Mr. Behenna was a model prisoner. In light of these facts, Mr. Behenna is entirely deserving of this Grant of Executive Clemency.”​

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Not exactly:

Courts-Martial Explained

General Court-Martial

A general court-martial consists of not less than five members and a military judge, or an accused may be tried by military judge alone upon request of the accused.
​

Furthermore, no one on the court may be inferior in rank to the person being tried.

The convicted murderer was tried & convicted, which we know isn't good enuff for you.

The guy had his day in court; guilty.

Guilty of killing a terrorist, convicted by filth such as you.

 

[caddo kid]

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Not exactly:

Courts-Martial Explained

General Court-Martial

A general court-martial consists of not less than five members and a military judge, or an accused may be tried by military judge alone upon request of the accused.
​

Furthermore, no one on the court may be inferior in rank to the person being tried.

The convicted murderer was tried & convicted, which we know isn't good enuff for you.

The guy had his day in court; guilty.

And now he's pardoned. We know that enrages Stalinists like you.

I believe in 'the rule of law' and America was built on the concept

IMO pardoning a convicted murder is tantamount to an 'unpardonable sin' ............. pardon the pun ...........

 

[caddo kid]

the murderer was tried & convicted by a jury of his peers, you ******* moron

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Not exactly:

Courts-Martial Explained

General Court-Martial

A general court-martial consists of not less than five members and a military judge, or an accused may be tried by military judge alone upon request of the accused.
​

Furthermore, no one on the court may be inferior in rank to the person being tried.

The convicted murderer was tried & convicted, which we know isn't good enuff for you.

The guy had his day in court; guilty.

Guilty of killing a terrorist, convicted by filth such as you.

He was convicted in a fair military court.

Thanks for telling US that you believe the military are, "filth"

At least now we know what you think of the US military

 

[miketx]

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Not exactly:

Courts-Martial Explained

General Court-Martial

A general court-martial consists of not less than five members and a military judge, or an accused may be tried by military judge alone upon request of the accused.
​

Furthermore, no one on the court may be inferior in rank to the person being tried.

The convicted murderer was tried & convicted, which we know isn't good enuff for you.

The guy had his day in court; guilty.

And now he's pardoned. We know that enrages Stalinists like you.

I believe in 'the rule of law' and America was built on the concept

IMO pardoning a convicted murder is tantamount to an 'unpardonable sin' ............. pardon the pun ...........

Can't get it through your head the guy killed a violent terrorist can you? That's you filth should never be in control of anything. you are evil.

 

[miketx]

Military trial, moron. A bunch of bootlicking officers decided his case.

a court martial is a trial by peers, within the military

"Military ....... bootlicking officers," you say?

well, at least we know what you & your little ass middle finger think of the US military.

But you revere a good murderer.

Yep; you sound just like Trump. Worthless

Not exactly:

Courts-Martial Explained

General Court-Martial

A general court-martial consists of not less than five members and a military judge, or an accused may be tried by military judge alone upon request of the accused.
​

Furthermore, no one on the court may be inferior in rank to the person being tried.

The convicted murderer was tried & convicted, which we know isn't good enuff for you.

The guy had his day in court; guilty.

Guilty of killing a terrorist, convicted by filth such as you.

He was convicted in a fair military court.

Thanks for telling US that you believe the military are, "filth"

At least now we know what you think of the US military

You weren't there, you didn't hear the testimony or see any evidence and you don't know jack! You're just another terrorist loving traitor.