Trump uses photos from wrong country as evidence of ‘white genocide’ in South Africa

[candycorn]

No, not completely. Just enough to lose to a profoundly damaged buffoon.

Sound governance isn’t sexy or exciting. The nation vis-a-vis social media, mega entertainrers, stupifiying resurgence of wrestling as legitimate entertainment, UFC, etc... is at a place right now where it would rather be entertained than soundly governed.

Its unclear how you can say the party that believes tariffs are paid by exporters, that the most closely watched, thoroughly investigated election in history was rigged, that white cops who kill black handcuffed suspects are never at fault, is somehow more cogent than the party that for all of it faults, still accepts reality. Let alone the insurrection.

Its puzzling.

 

[Mac1958]

Its unclear how you can say the party that believes tariffs are paid by exporters, that the most closely watched, thoroughly investigated election in history was rigged, that white cops who kill black handcuffed suspects are never at fault, is somehow more cogent than the party that for all of it faults, still accepts reality. Let alone the insurrection.

Its puzzling.

But I never said that. Not once. Ever.

Right now, at this moment in our history, the GQP is worse.

But the Dems have plenty of their own problems, they played a role in this, and just because they're not as bad doesn't mean they shouldn't be looking in the mirror and getting their shit together.

It's not a binary, one-or-the-other situation.

 

[candycorn]

But I never said that. Not once. Ever.

Right now, at this moment in our history, the GQP is worse.

But the Dems have plenty of their own problems, they played a role in this, and just because they're not as bad doesn't mean they shouldn't be looking in the mirror and getting their shit together.

It's not a binary, one-or-the-other situation.

I’m glad you actually called them “worse”.

Of course the bar is very low at this moment in our history.

As for “getting their shit together”, do you recommend just piling on the bullshit like Trump did to win? Gas is about where it was when he was elected, prices haven’t come down in any meaningful way, the stock market is pretty much where it was. We have marginally fewer brown people. The skies have become very unsafe after firing a large % of the FAA staff. We can’t afford to resist Russia but somehow a fictional genocide in Sout Africa is worth stopping?????
He’s done very little except push for tax cuts that wil favor the 1% highest earners in the nation.

Give us some talking points for the Democrats.

 

[Mac1958]

Give us some talking points for the Democrats.

Rx for the Democrats

 

[candycorn]

Rx for the Democrats

Okay.... any idea what the “new ideas” should be?

Come up with some NEW IDEAS that fit a rapidly changing and more competitive global economy.

They did to some degree. Polls would show you that most adults want better for their kids than they had. Three presidential nominees from the democratic party in a row (probably more than that actually) have recommended that the federal government pay for the first 2 years of college...to preapare kids for the rapidly changing and more competitive global economy.

It also would help the middle class--not paying for 2 years of college, right?

They have talked about new energy sources like solar and wind until they were blue in the face.

2 of those 3 were lost by the democrats.

You’re probably right about politcial correctness but at the end of the day, PC costs you nothing and is certainly, if we’re being logical, not remotely a huge issue....calling someone “chairperson” instead of chairman, etc... With Americans however--who are completely illogical every 4th November... it is probably a bigger deal because it reprpesents change and change to many doesn’t mean correctness...it means, “What do you mean I was wrong!!!!”.

 

[Mac1958]

Okay.... any idea what the “new ideas” should be?



They did to some degree. Polls would show you that most adults want better for their kids than they had. Three presidential nominees from the democratic party in a row (probably more than that actually) have recommended that the federal government pay for the first 2 years of college...to preapare kids for the rapidly changing and more competitive global economy.

It also would help the middle class--not paying for 2 years of college, right?

They have talked about new energy sources like solar and wind until they were blue in the face.

2 of those 3 were lost by the democrats.

You’re probably right about politcial correctness but at the end of the day, PC costs you nothing and is certainly, if we’re being logical, not remotely a huge issue....calling someone “chairperson” instead of chairman, etc... With Americans however--who are completely illogical every 4th November... it is probably a bigger deal because it reprpesents change and change to many doesn’t mean correctness...it means, “What do you mean I was wrong!!!!”.

It wasn't/isn't about asking someone to use a different word. It's about attacking and/or sanctioning and/or punishing them if they DON'T use it. That's a huge and material difference, and that's precisely where the Left went off the rails.

The Dems have not focused like a laser beam on the Middle Class. They diluted their message when they decided they were going to weaponize PC/Identity Politics.

When a Dem screams RACIST at a person, or when they destroy their business for not baking a cake, or when they have flamboyant transsexuals reading to a parent's young child in grade school, or when they deplatform a conservative speaker, or when they get someone fired for "offending" someone, who do you think is on the other end of that? Often it's middle class or lower middle class folks. That dilutes any "we love the middle class" claims.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

It wasn't/isn't about asking someone to use a different word. It's about attacking and/or sanctioning and/or punishing them if they DON'T use it. That's a huge and material difference, and that's precisely where the Left went off the rails.

The Dems have not focused like a laser beam on the Middle Class. They diluted their message when they decided they were going to weaponize PC/Identity Politics.

When a Dem screams RACIST at a person, or when they destroy their business for not baking a cake, or when they have flamboyant transsexuals reading to a parent's young child in grade school, or when they deplatform a conservative speaker, or when they get someone fired for "offending" someone, who do you think is on the other end of that? Often it's middle class or lower middle class folks. That dilutes any "we love the middle class" claims.

This is true...The Dems have marginalized themselves--with the best of intentions. But when you court the fringe..you lose the middle.
Not all Dems are Progressives--just as not all Republicans are MAGA.
But those are the tails that wag the dog, these days..and until enough people, in both parties, have had enough and show it at the ballot box...things are not really going to change all that much...at least not for the better.

I'm not holding my breath~

 

[Mac1958]

This is true...The Dems have marginalized themselves--with the best of intentions. But when you court the fringe..you lose the middle.
Not all Dems are Progressives--just as not all Republicans are MAGA.
But those are the tails that wag the dog, these days..and until enough people, in both parties, have had enough and show it at the ballot box...things are not really going to change all that much...at least not for the better.

I'm not holding my breath~

Yep. One thing I can depend on, from both parties, is that they will over-react, over-compensate and over-correct every fucking time they get the chance. Like clockwork.

The Dems handed this to the GQP, and there's no excuse for that. They need to look in the mirror, if it isn't too late. We need two serious parties, we currently have zero, and it's showing.

 

[candycorn]

It wasn't/isn't about asking someone to use a different word. It's about attacking and/or sanctioning and/or punishing them if they DON'T use it. That's a huge and material difference, and that's precisely where the Left went off the rails.

Now really Mac, how often does this happen?

The Dems have not focused like a laser beam on the Middle Class. They diluted their message when they decided they were going to weaponize PC/Identity Politics.

Well, I gave you 2 concrete things they did. Electric cars so you can avoid the mood swings of the Arabs at the pump.

When a Dem screams RACIST at a person, or when they destroy their business for not baking a cake,

Which happened like a handful of times.

or when they have flamboyant transsexuals reading to a parent's young child in grade school,

Agreed.

or when they deplatform a conservative speaker, or when they get someone fired for "offending" someone, who do you think is on the other end of that? Often it's middle class or lower middle class folks. That dilutes any "we love the middle class" claims.

Deplatforming a speaker here and there at a college inflicts pain on the middle class?

Do you know anyone who has been fired for offending someone?

As for the middle class....

Please regale us with all that the GOP has done for the middle class. Medicare is being gutted in the upcoming BBB to pay for tax cuts for those making $500. The rhetoric supporting the cut is that the medicare folks are lazy and need to go back to work--they are middle class and lower middle class folks mostly, right?

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

A major politician representing a party that got less then 10 percent in parliament.

It's beyond ironic hearing someone who defends Trump complaining about a politician saying deeply offensive shit. And unlike this dude you didn't just elect him, you reelected him as the leader of the country. I suspect, because, not despite him doing so. Going by the number of times, and way off, I've seen this deeply offensive shit being defended on here.

And for good or ill he is the President. He has the entire federal government at his disposal. So, there is no excuse to openly accuse the leader of a country, in the oval office, in front of a dozen camaras, especially for something as egregious as genocide, on information that anybody with an internet connection and five minutes of time can easily debunk.

As for the main point. Prove to me that there is a genocide going on in South-Africa targeted at the white population. In that interview I saw quite a few white South-Africans, very much alive, some actively disputing the Trump claims.

I'm pretty sure you can't. So I will even make a prediction. You will either deflect, not answer, or try to change the definition of genocide. Which, helpful dude that I am will provide.

Genocide | Definition, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

Genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. The term was derived from the Greek genos (‘race,’ ‘tribe,’ or ‘nation’) and the Latin cide (‘killing’). Learn more about the history of genocide in this article.

www.britannica.com

Hands-down, there is nothing that Trump has done that comes anything close to a major politician shouting kill all whites in front of 100,000 screaming fans. Forget about all the other stuff, including what you’re going on about above. This point alone is critical.

Imagine if there was a politician in America saying that about Jews or blacks and 10% of the American people supported it. Of course that doesn’t exist at all. Nothing like that … Trump has the support of massive numbers of Jews of Arabs and 40% of black men.

Black refugees and immigrants choose America as they’re number one destination.

There is something that this topic has brought up that we already know….. the massive hypocrisy that radical lefties have toward racism against white people compared to racism against blacks, which is pretty much nonexistent in America.

Boy no wonder you folks have a 35 year low approval rating. JFK is rolling in his grave.

 

[forkup]

Hands-down, there is nothing that Trump has done that comes anything close to a major politician shouting kill all whites in front of 100,000 screaming fans. Forget about all the other stuff, including what you’re going on about above. This point alone is critical.

Imagine if there was a politician in America saying that about Jews or blacks and 10% of the American people supported it. Of course that doesn’t exist at all. Nothing like that … Trump has the support of massive numbers of Jews of Arabs and 40% of black men.

Black refugees and immigrants choose America as they’re number one destination.

There is something that this topic has brought up that we already know….. the massive hypocrisy that radical lefties have toward racism against white people compared to racism against blacks, which is pretty much nonexistent in America.

Boy no wonder you folks have a 35 year low approval rating. JFK is rolling in his grave.

Hands-down, there is nothing that Trump has done that comes anything close to a major politician shouting kill all whites in front of 100,000 screaming fans. Forget about all the other stuff, including what you’re going on about above. This point alone is critical.

Deflection it is. I asked for you to prove genocide is occurring. Which is like you said the "main point".


Really? You can prove that they actually killed all whites? Correct me if I'm wrong unless and until you have proof that they acted on it all you have is a politician screaming some reprehensible shit.

I'll put it in terms you can understand. You think Trump isn't responsible for attacking the capitol on Jan 6th. This despite the attack happening for a lie he started, on the date he asked them to be there, in the place he wanted them to go, and despite him not trying to stop it despite him being perfectly aware it was happening. In fact, despite him actively tweeting encouragement as it was happening.

Why is it that for a South-African politician, who is in a minority party representing less then 10 percent of the populace, the entire population of S-Africa is responsible for a genocide you nor he can prove is actually occurring. And despite the S-African president saying it's not the policy of the government. While Trump isn't responsible for actions because of his words that the entire world could, see? You find that a politician saying something in front of a crowd makes the entire country somehow responsible for actions you can't prove but Trump... oh Trump has no agency for anything he PERSONALLY says or does.

Despite him saying he grabs woman by the pussy (without even waiting for permission) it's inconceivable he did so, although several women said he did and a jury deciding he likely did.

What do you think is more serious. Screaming kill all whites on a stage or starting an insurrection and raping woman?

But you want to accuse Democrats of hypocrisy (I guess for wanting more than photos of Goma in Congo before we take the veracity of the claim of white genocide in S-Africa seriously)? Do you have any idea how absolutely ludicrous you sound.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Are you saying there's no racial genocide in South Africa?

He's saying Trump is a liar. Which he is.
And no, there's no racial genocide toward white farmers (who control a LOT of money) in South Africa.

Whoever, put him on this path needs to lose their job.