Trump to unveil plans for new U.S. ‘battleship’, reports say

[WorldWatcher]

No navies or air forces there, eh?

Do you think Chinese forces are going to swim to Tiawan?

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

China is no push over. They have a large airforce which we would need ti assust in taking out.

A sneak atrack with missles could cripple Taiwan from the beginning.

Id hope they have a
Iron dome. 128 vls can be modeled to fire surface to air missiles in a matter of minutes.

Actually...

VLS are loaded based on expected mission with different types of weapons.

And - IIRC - those missiles can't be swapped out in minutes. Now, if you mean target acquisition and launch of a selected missile in the VLS, that's true.

If you mean swapping out a Tomahawk for an SM2, from land/ship attack to anti-air? No.

WW

 

[eagle1462010]

And - IIRC - those missiles can't be swapped out in minutes. Now, if you mean target acquisition and launch of a selected missile in the VLS, that's true.

Yes. That was what I meant.

 

[eagle1462010]

Actually...

VLS are loaded based on expected mission with different types of weapons.

And - IIRC - those missiles can't be swapped out in minutes. Now, if you mean target acquisition and launch of a selected missile in the VLS, that's true.

If you mean swapping out a Tomahawk for an SM2, from land/ship attack to anti-air? No.

WW

Standard Missile-2 (SM-2) - Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance

Seems the range is not greatly increased if at all from SM1s from when I served.

 

[eagle1462010]

Scenario. 60 Chineese patrol boats which can fire 8 each of these.

YJ-83 - Wikipedia

This patrol boat.

Type 022 missile boat - Wikipedia

What to counter this.?

 

[Zavulon]

I read where they want more Frigates for screens.

Maybe because the Chineese are going to a more PT hydrifoil fleet to overwhelm battle groups near their waters.

One of new fancy Chinese toys - auxiliary cruises made of cargo ships and disguise like them. One more was spotted at Fushin Island Shanghai

• Type 1130 close-range anti-aircraft artillery system
• Type 726-4 decoy system
• Satellite communication station
• Rotating radar
• Vertical launchers in cargo containers for missile launching.

And other gadgets.

Nice thing for piracy and counter-piracy.

Given that the USA by its illegal attempt of Venezuela blocade just destroyed the law of free navigation, I believe that the USA are going to need much more smaller cruisers to defend its ships all over the world. The ocean is big, you know.

 

[meaner gene]

You prove you are China's ***** with that Statement.

We helped China WWII then the ungratelful communist Bastards stabbed us in the back.

Screw what they WANT

Seems we have a double parallel taking place.
We helped the Soviet Union in WWII and those ungrateful communists stabbed us in the back too.

Now since Taiwan is part of China, and Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. We have two situations of independent territories wanting to be reclaimed.

If Trump is virtually giving Ukraine back to Russia. How can they draw a difference between giving Taiwan back to China?

 

[meaner gene]

One of new fancy Chinese toys - auxiliary cruises made of cargo ships and disguise like them. One more was spotted at Fushin Island Shanghai

• Type 1130 close-range anti-aircraft artillery system
• Type 726-4 decoy system
• Satellite communication station
• Rotating radar
• Vertical launchers in cargo containers for missile launching.

And other gadgets.

Nice thing for piracy and counter-piracy.

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Given that the USA by its illegal attempt of Venezuela blocade just destroyed the law of free navigation, I believe that the USA are going to need much more smaller cruisers to defend its ships all over the world. The ocean is big, you know.

As they say. What goes around, comes around.

 

[eagle1462010]

One of new fancy Chinese toys - auxiliary cruises made of cargo ships and disguise like them. One more was spotted at Fushin Island Shanghai

• Type 1130 close-range anti-aircraft artillery system
• Type 726-4 decoy system
• Satellite communication station
• Rotating radar
• Vertical launchers in cargo containers for missile launching.

And other gadgets.

Nice thing for piracy and counter-piracy.

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Given that the USA by its illegal attempt of Venezuela blocade just destroyed the law of free navigation, I believe that the USA are going to need much more smaller cruisers to defend its ships all over the world. The ocean is big, you know.

And we own most of it now Ivan.

 

[eagle1462010]

Seems we have a double parallel taking place.
We helped the Soviet Union in WWII and those ungrateful communists stabbed us in the back too.

Now since Taiwan is part of China, and Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. We have two situations of independent territories wanting to be reclaimed.

If Trump is virtually giving Ukraine back to Russia. How can they draw a difference between giving Taiwan back to China?

The TRA depending on its interpretation.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-produc... not require,U.S. commitment to defend Taiwan.

 

[Zavulon]

And we own most of it now Ivan.

Actually, no. Actually, you couldn't even capture an unarmed tanker.

They ordered her to stop, she responded: "F#ck you!" and refused to stop. And you know what? The whole blockade fleet was not able to stop her. America needs some special types of "abordage teams", they say. I don't know what do they need to stop an unarmed merchant - jetpacks and armor suits?

 

[eagle1462010]

Actually, no. Actually, you couldn't even capture an unarmed tanker.

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They ordered her to stop, she responded: "F#ck you!" and refused to stop. And you know what? The whole blockade fleet was not able to stop her. America needs some special types of "abordage teams", they say. I don't know what do they need to stop an unarmed merchant - jetpacks and armor suits?

The U.S. Navy can put that merchant on the ocean bottom anytime we please.

Perhaps we let them live that time.

 

[Zavulon]

The U.S. Navy can put that merchant on the ocean bottom anytime we please.

May be. May be not. Not without suffering unacceptable damage in form of local ecological catastrophe.

Perhaps we let them live that time.

Or all what you famous Navy can do - is to murder unarmed sailors in boats by long range missiles. Something bigger, like a tanker, may be too dangerous for you. Or your gunners are too unprofessional to stop a ship without destroying it.

 

[eagle1462010]

May be. May be not. Not without suffering unacceptable damage in form of local ecological catastrophe.


Or all what you famous Navy can do - is to murder unarmed sailors in boats by long range missiles. Something bigger, like a tanker, may be too dangerous for you. Or your gunners are too unprofessional to stop a ship without destroying it.

Has your submarine fleet fixed its problems?

Sink versus Submerge

 

[meaner gene]

The U.S. Navy can put that merchant on the ocean bottom anytime we please.

Perhaps we let them live that time.

You realize, you're talking about acts of war.

Remember the Falkland Islands war of the UK vs Argentina. Requiring the bulk of the UK navy.

Imagine the US spread out across every ocean to defend US shipping,

 

[meaner gene]

May be. May be not. Not without suffering unacceptable damage in form of local ecological catastrophe.

Who cares about ecological catastrophe.
It would be a catastrophe to international commerce, making every cargo ship vulnerable to the dictates of hostile nations claiming the same right.

 

[eagle1462010]

You realize, you're talking about acts of war.

Remember the Falkland Islands war of the UK vs Argentina. Requiring the bulk of the UK navy.

Imagine the US spread out across every ocean to defend US shipping,

This is a blockade of Venezuela. Nothing more than a communist shithole drug nation.

It USED TO BE A THRIVING DEMOCRACY.

Better for all there to be that again.

 

[meaner gene]

This is a blockade of Venezuela. Nothing more than a communist shithole drug nation.

It USED TO BE A THRIVING DEMOCRACY.

Better for all there to be that again.

China buys about 76% of Venezuela's output.

Napoleon Bonaparte "China? There lies a sleeping giant. Let him sleep, for when he wakes he will move the world.".

 

[eagle1462010]

China buys about 76% of Venezuela's output.

Napoleon Bonaparte "China? There lies a sleeping giant. Let him sleep, for when he wakes he will move the world.".

Then maybe they can cut back on drugs to America then.

 

[meaner gene]

Then maybe they can cut back on drugs to America then.

Trump said it was about fentanyl
It's not about fentanyl
Trump said it wasn't about oil
It's about oil