Trump Threatens to Close Border Next Week

[Porter Rockwell]

Do you feel better now that you've blamed someone else? There, now can we address my point?

Do you think closing the border with Mexico will help?

We have tried open borders and amnesties and we know that do not work. Securing the border by any measures. Instread of trying to fix the middle east who was not a threat because Mexicans kill more Americans than middle east terrorist we should have invaded Mexico

We don't have "open borders." Obviously, if we did, Border Patrol would not be intercepting 4,000 a day. Streamlining and perhaps changing some of the rules would be helpful to them. I don't understand why they can't just revise the statute so that people who enter the country illegally cannot request asylum.

Because neither political side will vote it. It will have to be demanded by the Americans with "no" rejected as an option. Laws will also need to be changed to prevent illegals from doing business, securing housing or owning property, or obtaining licenses or any services.

In other words, you want the ultimate POLICE STATE - the Orwellian nightmare. Right?

Wrong, and thick to boot. That's the Democrats' goal, not mine. Note that nothing I suggested included citizens or authorized visitors.

What I want is for illegals to stay home and take care of their own problems on their own soil, not bring those problems here and expect Americans to cover them.

Most "illegals" as you ignorantly call them are coming here because your American counterparts invite them here.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Yes. It would cost Mexico economically much more than them paying for the wall or just securing the southern border and help securing our border. But we know the cartels own Mexico and they need open borders to move their drugs. Close the border and we will get help from democrats but don't count on any help from Mexico. Cartel don't care about Mexicans.

As much as I'd like to believe the propaganda you do, I know better. Every non-partisan study says that when it comes to costs, the undocumented foreigners pay as much into the system as they take out of it.

Our real problem is that the American people don't want to work. Having had jobs available and offering them year in and year out, I know, for a fact, that most Americans simply don't want the jobs. Mothers have mollycoddled their boys to the point that the majority of them can be found living at home in their 20s, 30s, 40s and beyond.

America has more people in prison than any nation on the planet; America consumes 80 percent of the world's opioid supply; For every drug addict in a rehab facility in America, more than TEN drug addicts are in prison. Half of the American people are dependent on the government for their daily bread. The average 25 year old white male has tattoos, body piercings, no high school education, no driver's license, very little work experience and dresses like a homeless man. They don't shave, bathe, or read on a regular basis so they are ignoramuses that reek of alcohol, cigarettes, and B.O. These guys are generally out of shape and have no work ethic. Finding something they can do is a challenge in itself.

It's easier to sit on your ass, receive food money on a debit card from Uncle Scam, live off mommy's paycheck, smoke weed and play on the Internet all day than to look for a job. Let me put it into perspective for you:

I've argued with people about this situation for over 15 years on the Internet on many different boards. In all that time, NOBODY associated with a discussion board has ever shown up when I had jobs available. In those 15 + years NOBODY has shown up and said they heard about me from someone who posts on a discussion board. I did find a guy who is doing jobs for me at $25 an hour cash. He's a White American, but he's 68 and retired. Even then, he wasn't someone I found on the Internet. He just wants small jobs to supplement his Socialist Security.

I know you'll get mad, boil, stew, get hot under the collar, turn red, blow a cork, hit the roof and raise the ceiling, but this is an alternative view for you to think about:

There is a lady living to me just next door. She has a teen age son whose basic exercise is walking the dog a couple of times per day. Outside of that, he plays on the computer - video games and social media. He watches tv. The Hispanic kid from across the street mows my next door neighbor's lawn. This is the typical situation in America.

I cannot hire people who are not willing to work. I cannot pay people a surgeon's wages for skill sets that take them six months or less to learn. My brother's wife is a registered nurse. She went to college for four years. She makes $35 an hour. Handymen in my area make $25 to $30 an hour doing odd jobs they can learn in under a year. Problem is, nobody wants to do the work. Nobody is taking food from your table. Foreigners pay taxes, buy goods, use services and create opportunities. If Americans weren't in prison, drug rehab centers, using drugs, or living off Uncle Scam and mommy, AND then acquiring a record that society will never them live past (due to idiotic "background checks" for every little thing) they could be working the jobs. You simply need both sides of the story.

I wouldn't work for you, either, Porter. You can't stop finding fault with the people around you and judge everyone based on your highly limited experience of what an "average 25 year old American" is.

Limited experience? Judging people? You have to be freaking joking.

I was a Justice of the Peace before the state eliminated those positions for magistrates. Then I worked in the legal field for many years. Then I became a minister and my work is unlike what preachers normally do.

My entire day is spent helping people get on their feet. My limited experience means that I deal with over a dozen families per week. It sends me into drug rehab centers to counsel people, dealing with people's probation officers, and trying to help people get back on their feet. Yeah, that's real limited experience when you do it seven days a week. With only three and half plus decades of experience, you're probably right. I'm willing to bet your experience is much more extensive than mine.

I also have to work with the Georgia Dept. of Labor. They have classes on how to dress for a job interview and what is expected. So, yeah, I'm judging people on their appearances too. Wear the wrong clothes, go too far on makeup, tattoos, body piercings, and / or go to a job interview smelling like an ashtray and it will affect the outcome of the interview. BTW, did you notice I'm the one bitching about people like you - that support National ID and endless background checks - checks for things that might amount to nothing more than a youthful indiscretion... crap that those over 40 did in their life and the cops back then just told people to quit doing and go home. Yeah, you're probably right. I need to have help wanted signs out for another 15 years, interview at least 8 to 10,000 more people for jobs; counsel another couple thousand people before I can claim any relevant experience.

You're burnt out, Porter. After nine years of working with families where at least 70% had either an alcohol or drug addiction involved, I understand. But it's time to go when all you can feel for them is frustration and contempt.
You only see the folks with huge problems and challenges. It is not the "average" American is my only point.

Quite the optimist you are! I'm looking for the exception. That is why I just graduated back in September with a degree in Christian Education. I plan on teaching, but you are oblivious to reality.

NOBODY on this board can tell you honestly that they do not know of an American who is not living off Uncle Scam, on drugs, unemployed, or living off relatives - and / or some combination thereof.

I know no such person or persons. But then, I don't hang in those social circles.

Sure you don't. You're perfect and so is everyone you know.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I wouldn't work for you, either, Porter. You can't stop finding fault with the people around you and judge everyone based on your highly limited experience of what an "average 25 year old American" is.

Limited experience? Judging people? You have to be freaking joking.

I was a Justice of the Peace before the state eliminated those positions for magistrates. Then I worked in the legal field for many years. Then I became a minister and my work is unlike what preachers normally do.

My entire day is spent helping people get on their feet. My limited experience means that I deal with over a dozen families per week. It sends me into drug rehab centers to counsel people, dealing with people's probation officers, and trying to help people get back on their feet. Yeah, that's real limited experience when you do it seven days a week. With only three and half plus decades of experience, you're probably right. I'm willing to bet your experience is much more extensive than mine.

I also have to work with the Georgia Dept. of Labor. They have classes on how to dress for a job interview and what is expected. So, yeah, I'm judging people on their appearances too. Wear the wrong clothes, go too far on makeup, tattoos, body piercings, and / or go to a job interview smelling like an ashtray and it will affect the outcome of the interview. BTW, did you notice I'm the one bitching about people like you - that support National ID and endless background checks - checks for things that might amount to nothing more than a youthful indiscretion... crap that those over 40 did in their life and the cops back then just told people to quit doing and go home. Yeah, you're probably right. I need to have help wanted signs out for another 15 years, interview at least 8 to 10,000 more people for jobs; counsel another couple thousand people before I can claim any relevant experience.

You're burnt out, Porter. After nine years of working with families where at least 70% had either an alcohol or drug addiction involved, I understand. But it's time to go when all you can feel for them is frustration and contempt.
You only see the folks with huge problems and challenges. It is not the "average" American is my only point.

Quite the optimist you are! I'm looking for the exception. That is why I just graduated back in September with a degree in Christian Education. I plan on teaching, but you are oblivious to reality.

NOBODY on this board can tell you honestly that they do not know of an American who is not living off Uncle Scam, on drugs, unemployed, or living off relatives - and / or some combination thereof.

I know no such person or persons. But then, I don't hang in those social circles.

Blah blah blah. You have said nothing that make sense or in anyway credible. Americans of all nationalities built this country and paid into the system and deserve assistance when needed. And what illegals pay in taxes cannot be compared to their tax credits and claiming dependent they borrowed. And the welfare assistance the get. All babies get WIC. Free education and lunch and sometimes breakfast and meals during break. ESL classes taken away from American children leading time. The cons of illegal are too many to list. You need to come out of your social circle and experience a little reality. You probably live in a gated community. Trump inherited this shit and he is trying to fix years of democratic fuckup. I do not have to live in a shithouse to know how shit smell and Trump is up to his neck in shit thrown on him by democrats.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Trump IS a Democrat. What you say isn't very credible. You've not stated any fact that can be substantiated.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Great, but why wait? Mexico will do nothing.

Trump Threatens to Close Border Next Week ‘If Mexico Doesn’t Immediately Stop All Illegal Immigration’

I'd rather he shut down the welfare state....Then any and all immigrants coming here would have to pull their own weight.

Foreigners DO pull their own weight. The reason they come here is job openings exist because half of the American people are living off the government.

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

That aside, the welfare state should be abolished for everyone.

Just because the God of ignoramuses says it, then it must be true. NOT.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Limited experience? Judging people? You have to be freaking joking.

I was a Justice of the Peace before the state eliminated those positions for magistrates. Then I worked in the legal field for many years. Then I became a minister and my work is unlike what preachers normally do.

My entire day is spent helping people get on their feet. My limited experience means that I deal with over a dozen families per week. It sends me into drug rehab centers to counsel people, dealing with people's probation officers, and trying to help people get back on their feet. Yeah, that's real limited experience when you do it seven days a week. With only three and half plus decades of experience, you're probably right. I'm willing to bet your experience is much more extensive than mine.

I also have to work with the Georgia Dept. of Labor. They have classes on how to dress for a job interview and what is expected. So, yeah, I'm judging people on their appearances too. Wear the wrong clothes, go too far on makeup, tattoos, body piercings, and / or go to a job interview smelling like an ashtray and it will affect the outcome of the interview. BTW, did you notice I'm the one bitching about people like you - that support National ID and endless background checks - checks for things that might amount to nothing more than a youthful indiscretion... crap that those over 40 did in their life and the cops back then just told people to quit doing and go home. Yeah, you're probably right. I need to have help wanted signs out for another 15 years, interview at least 8 to 10,000 more people for jobs; counsel another couple thousand people before I can claim any relevant experience.

You're burnt out, Porter. After nine years of working with families where at least 70% had either an alcohol or drug addiction involved, I understand. But it's time to go when all you can feel for them is frustration and contempt.
You only see the folks with huge problems and challenges. It is not the "average" American is my only point.

Quite the optimist you are! I'm looking for the exception. That is why I just graduated back in September with a degree in Christian Education. I plan on teaching, but you are oblivious to reality.

NOBODY on this board can tell you honestly that they do not know of an American who is not living off Uncle Scam, on drugs, unemployed, or living off relatives - and / or some combination thereof.

I know no such person or persons. But then, I don't hang in those social circles.

Blah blah blah. You have said nothing that make sense or in anyway credible. Americans of all nationalities built this country and paid into the system and deserve assistance when needed. And what illegals pay in taxes cannot be compared to their tax credits and claiming dependent they borrowed. And the welfare assistance the get. All babies get WIC. Free education and lunch and sometimes breakfast and meals during break. ESL classes taken away from American children leading time. The cons of illegal are too many to list. You need to come out of your social circle and experience a little reality. You probably live in a gated community. Trump inherited this shit and he is trying to fix years of democratic fuckup. I do not have to live in a shithouse to know how shit smell and Trump is up to his neck in shit thrown on him by democrats.

It is unclear whom you are addressing.

Being that I told here that EVERY NON-PARTISAN study concludes that undocumented foreigners pay as much into the system as they take out of it, her criticisms can ONLY apply to me.

So, if these people she ignorantly calls "illegals" became citizens, they would STILL get the tax credits, etc. Had the dumb asses that permeate the Republican Party to worship Donald Trump stayed out of the equation, we could have repealed the income tax and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Great, but why wait? Mexico will do nothing.

Trump Threatens to Close Border Next Week ‘If Mexico Doesn’t Immediately Stop All Illegal Immigration’

I'd rather he shut down the welfare state....Then any and all immigrants coming here would have to pull their own weight.

Foreigners DO pull their own weight. The reason they come here is job openings exist because half of the American people are living off the government.

Omg. The reason they come is freebies and dropping the anchor babies whose benefits substain them. The is no one that have a skill to contribute crossing illegal. Do you know how to Google? Because Google the cost of illegal immigration and you will thousands of credible hits. But you are comfortable keeping your head deep into your ass

If anybody has their head up their ass it is the stupid motherfuckers that continue to push debunked horseshit that people come to this country to take benefits from the American people. ANYBODY that still believes that lie is a ******* idiot. If you took all the nitwits that believe that shit and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose.

In the first place, every accounting ledger has at least TWO columns: debit and credit. All the followers of the almighty Donald Trump want to talk about is what the foreigners ":cost." Those people don't have enough sense to look at the fact that foreigners come here and work jobs sorry ass Americans won't apply for. They worker harder for less and are at least 15 to 20 percent more productive than their American counterparts.

LilOlLady wants to believe that a multicultural generation made America great. The fact is, America was built by whites. In the Constitution the Preamble states:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Very clearly the "posterity" of the founders of the Constitution were White. Within months of the ratification of the Constitution, the FIRST Naturalization Act was passed. Let me quote the relevant part:

"SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof,"

https://legisworks.org/sal/1/stats/STATUTE-1-Pg103.pdf

America was built by White people with open borders, foreigners working here without becoming citizens, and without a freaking POLICE STATE to watch us from the womb to the tomb.

Today all the people who worship at the feet of the fat rich boy that never worked a day in his life seem oblivious to their history and the fact that they are forfeiting their Rights for NOTHING. Whites can have the jobs any time they want them; if you repealed the income tax (which is based off the Communist Manifesto) and eliminated the welfare state, forcing people to get a job, the Trump supporters wouldn't have anything to ***** about. But, that makes too much sense.

The ONLY thing these dumb asses that keep repeating debunked lies are going to accomplish is building a government so big that WHEN the Democrats come back to power, the Republic will be totally destroyed and an internal war required to reclaim our Liberties. The communists referred to these simpletons as useful idiots.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I'd rather he shut down the welfare state....Then any and all immigrants coming here would have to pull their own weight.

Foreigners DO pull their own weight. The reason they come here is job openings exist because half of the American people are living off the government.

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

That aside, the welfare state should be abolished for everyone.

You do not want to see that. Then those that don't have will take what you have and as you see in third world countries who do not have a welfare system.

No they won't.

Murica did just fine for over 150+ years without a welfare state....It will survive abolishing it.

There is no country that do not have some form of welfare system even if it is a donation jar that exsist in some middle east country. Your Christian God tells you to take care of the poor widows disabled but you are obvious not a Christian. But you want to take care of illegal aliens? Your God also tell you to take care of your own first. By the way never heard of Murica. Must be another shithole country

America became great WITHOUT the welfare state.

 

[Oddball]

Great, but why wait? Mexico will do nothing.

Trump Threatens to Close Border Next Week ‘If Mexico Doesn’t Immediately Stop All Illegal Immigration’

I'd rather he shut down the welfare state....Then any and all immigrants coming here would have to pull their own weight.

Foreigners DO pull their own weight. The reason they come here is job openings exist because half of the American people are living off the government.

Omg. The reason they come is freebies and dropping the anchor babies whose benefits substain them. The is no one that have a skill to contribute crossing illegal. Do you know how to Google? Because Google the cost of illegal immigration and you will thousands of credible hits. But you are comfortable keeping your head deep into your ass

If anybody has their head up their ass it is the stupid motherfuckers that continue to push debunked horseshit that people come to this country to take benefits from the American people. ANYBODY that still believes that lie is a ******* idiot. If you took all the nitwits that believe that shit and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose.

In the first place, every accounting ledger has at least TWO columns: debit and credit. All the followers of the almighty Donald Trump want to talk about is what the foreigners ":cost." Those people don't have enough sense to look at the fact that foreigners come here and work jobs sorry ass Americans won't apply for. They worker harder for less and are at least 15 to 20 percent more productive than their American counterparts.

LilOlLady wants to believe that a multicultural generation made America great. The fact is, America was built by whites. In the Constitution the Preamble states:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Very clearly the "posterity" of the founders of the Constitution were White. Within months of the ratification of the Constitution, the FIRST Naturalization Act was passed. Let me quote the relevant part:

"SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof,"

https://legisworks.org/sal/1/stats/STATUTE-1-Pg103.pdf

America was built by White people with open borders, foreigners working here without becoming citizens, and without a freaking POLICE STATE to watch us from the womb to the tomb.

Today all the people who worship at the feet of the fat rich boy that never worked a day in his life seem oblivious to their history and the fact that they are forfeiting their Rights for NOTHING. Whites can have the jobs any time they want them; if you repealed the income tax (which is based off the Communist Manifesto) and eliminated the welfare state, forcing people to get a job, the Trump supporters wouldn't have anything to ***** about. But, that makes too much sense.

The ONLY thing these dumb asses that keep repeating debunked lies are going to accomplish is building a government so big that WHEN the Democrats come back to power, the Republic will be totally destroyed and an internal war required to reclaim our Liberties. The communists referred to these simpletons as useful idiots.

From USA Today....Definitely NOT part of the VRWC.


Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

They're being coached on how to receive handouts....Get your head out of your ass.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Turn on the No Vacancies sign and turn off the lights...

With no details provided, I can only say it sounds too simplistic. Like the wall.

And you know I am bring sarcastic and you damn well know I do not support the wall stupidity...

Not at all, Bruce? I see nothing wrong with fencing in areas where they've shown it's needed. Beats playing tag with 4,000 people a day. The Republicans are sinking their own argument, though, by allowing Trump and his supporters to turn it into a war against Hispanics. That is what is hurting them the most. No one can stand behind all this hate mongering

I disagree and believe a better work Visa policy between the three nations would do wonders.

Many of you refuse to see who is behind the influx of refugees at our border and this is Russia and China nonsense to flood our society with poor people to tax our system.

The simple answer is as I wrote better Visa system that benefits the North American Region.

So we are not handing out enough work visas? Okay. That makes sense. Let's definitely do that, too. I think the President's idea, though, is to get rid of all these foreign workers so that Americans will be forced to take them and then NO ONE will be on welfare. Two birds, one stone.

Do not try to troll me with that nonsense old lady.

1. You can remove all the illegal immigrants and the reality is most Americans will not do the jobs illegal immigrants do for the wage they are paid if paid at all...

Most Americans will turn to life of crime so they will be put into the Prison system where they will get three meals daily, conjugal visits and education while the taxpayer flip the bill.

2. You can deport all the H1B visa holders and there is not enough educated people to fill the open positions in Nursing to IT work.

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So as you attempt with your trolling the reality is America need the Visa system to fill open Vacancies in our labor force and just tossing people off welfare and telling them to get a job while deporting people is not the answer at the moment...

Federal, State and Local governments need to remove their heads from their ass and do JTPA'S so you can do away with the majority of the welfare system that plague this nation.

 

[Oddball]

Foreigners DO pull their own weight. The reason they come here is job openings exist because half of the American people are living off the government.

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

That aside, the welfare state should be abolished for everyone.

You do not want to see that. Then those that don't have will take what you have and as you see in third world countries who do not have a welfare system.

No they won't.

Murica did just fine for over 150+ years without a welfare state....It will survive abolishing it.

There is no country that do not have some form of welfare system even if it is a donation jar that exsist in some middle east country. Your Christian God tells you to take care of the poor widows disabled but you are obvious not a Christian. But you want to take care of illegal aliens? Your God also tell you to take care of your own first. By the way never heard of Murica. Must be another shithole country

America became great WITHOUT the welfare state.

Yes it did...And it needs to be abolished outright....Up to and including full privatization of all state-run schools.

 

[Oddball]

Do not try to troll me with that nonsense old lady.

1. You can remove all the illegal immigrants and the reality is most Americans will not do the jobs illegal immigrants do for the wage they are paid if paid at all...

Most Americans will turn to life of crime so they will be put into the Prison system where they will get three meals daily, conjugal visits and education while the taxpayer flip the bill.

2. You can deport all the H1B visa holders and there is not enough educated people to fill the open positions in Nursing to IT work.

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So as you attempt with your trolling the reality is America need the Visa system to fill open Vacancies in our labor force and just tossing people off welfare and telling them to get a job while deporting people is not the answer at the moment...

Federal, State and Local governments need to remove their heads from their ass and do JTPA'S so you can do away with the majority of the welfare system that plague this nation.

There are plenty of IT techs...The Robber Barons of Silicon Valley want the Indians because they will work for less.

 

[LilOlLady]

Trump stopped aid to three South is of the border countries. Democrats want to sell Americans out so they can have lettuce. Lmfao. No comprehensive immigration reform until border is secured. Close the border. You see the crisis on the border .and still you do not believe. Christians saw their Christ and still did not believe.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Do not try to troll me with that nonsense old lady.

1. You can remove all the illegal immigrants and the reality is most Americans will not do the jobs illegal immigrants do for the wage they are paid if paid at all...

Most Americans will turn to life of crime so they will be put into the Prison system where they will get three meals daily, conjugal visits and education while the taxpayer flip the bill.

2. You can deport all the H1B visa holders and there is not enough educated people to fill the open positions in Nursing to IT work.

-----

So as you attempt with your trolling the reality is America need the Visa system to fill open Vacancies in our labor force and just tossing people off welfare and telling them to get a job while deporting people is not the answer at the moment...

Federal, State and Local governments need to remove their heads from their ass and do JTPA'S so you can do away with the majority of the welfare system that plague this nation.

There are plenty of IT techs...The Robber Barons of Silicon Valley want the Indians because they will work for less.

You are correct that the owners of companies like At&t and Microsoft would prefer to pay the lower wage to someone from India than pay a higher wage to someone from here.

Now with that written the reality is we do lack the Engineers, Nurses and Physical Therapists in this country and believe it or not teachers and that is why local school districts like HISD were one time importing teachers from the Philippines.

Hate to say it America would be better off with revamping the educational system so we can start producing a workforce and stop importing from India or the Philippines...

 

[LilOlLady]

With no details provided, I can only say it sounds too simplistic. Like the wall.

And you know I am bring sarcastic and you damn well know I do not support the wall stupidity...

Not at all, Bruce? I see nothing wrong with fencing in areas where they've shown it's needed. Beats playing tag with 4,000 people a day. The Republicans are sinking their own argument, though, by allowing Trump and his supporters to turn it into a war against Hispanics. That is what is hurting them the most. No one can stand behind all this hate mongering

I disagree and believe a better work Visa policy between the three nations would do wonders.

Many of you refuse to see who is behind the influx of refugees at our border and this is Russia and China nonsense to flood our society with poor people to tax our system.

The simple answer is as I wrote better Visa system that benefits the North American Region.

So we are not handing out enough work visas? Okay. That makes sense. Let's definitely do that, too. I think the President's idea, though, is to get rid of all these foreign workers so that Americans will be forced to take them and then NO ONE will be on welfare. Two birds, one stone.

Do not try to troll me with that nonsense old lady.

1. You can remove all the illegal immigrants and the reality is most Americans will not do the jobs illegal immigrants do for the wage they are paid if paid at all...

Most Americans will turn to life of crime so they will be put into the Prison system where they will get three meals daily, conjugal visits and education while the taxpayer flip the bill.

2. You can deport all the H1B visa holders and there is not enough educated people to fill the open positions in Nursing to IT work.

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So as you attempt with your trolling the reality is America need the Visa system to fill open Vacancies in our labor force and just tossing people off welfare and telling them to get a job while deporting people is not the answer at the moment...

Federal, State and Local governments need to remove their heads from their ass and do JTPA'S so you can do away with the majority of the welfare system that plague this nation.

What do you think Americans will do when their jobs are given to cheap illegal aliens? Business do not want to hire Americans at a fair wage. Crime pays more than slave labor wages. People of color in the inner cities cannot provide for the families on what illegals are paid. So they do what they have to do. Dealing in drugs brought over the border. Not only affecting people of color but Whites also. Majority in federal prisons are illegals costing tax payers billions. Fentanyl. from Mexico are killing Americans daily. What planet are you living on?

 

[LilOlLady]

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

That aside, the welfare state should be abolished for everyone.

You do not want to see that. Then those that don't have will take what you have and as you see in third world countries who do not have a welfare system.

No they won't.

Murica did just fine for over 150+ years without a welfare state....It will survive abolishing it.

There is no country that do not have some form of welfare system even if it is a donation jar that exsist in some middle east country. Your Christian God tells you to take care of the poor widows disabled but you are obvious not a Christian. But you want to take care of illegal aliens? Your God also tell you to take care of your own first. By the way never heard of Murica. Must be another shithole country

America became great WITHOUT the welfare state.

Yes it did...And it needs to be abolished outright....Up to and including full privatization of all state-run schools.

Privatized prisons are a tax payers ripoff and so is tax payers funding private school. Charter schools are closing for misusing government money. It is not the school but students who do not want to learn and parents don't care enough. We cannot go back to the 1800s unless we want 1800s results and way of life

 

[LilOlLady]

Do not try to troll me with that nonsense old lady.

1. You can remove all the illegal immigrants and the reality is most Americans will not do the jobs illegal immigrants do for the wage they are paid if paid at all...

Most Americans will turn to life of crime so they will be put into the Prison system where they will get three meals daily, conjugal visits and education while the taxpayer flip the bill.

2. You can deport all the H1B visa holders and there is not enough educated people to fill the open positions in Nursing to IT work.

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So as you attempt with your trolling the reality is America need the Visa system to fill open Vacancies in our labor force and just tossing people off welfare and telling them to get a job while deporting people is not the answer at the moment...

Federal, State and Local governments need to remove their heads from their ass and do JTPA'S so you can do away with the majority of the welfare system that plague this nation.

There are plenty of IT techs...The Robber Barons of Silicon Valley want the Indians because they will work for less.

You are correct that the owners of companies like At&t and Microsoft would prefer to pay the lower wage to someone from India than pay a higher wage to someone from here.

Now with that written the reality is we do lack the Engineers, Nurses and Physical Therapists in this country and believe it or not teachers and that is why local school districts like HISD were one time importing teachers from the Philippines.

Hate to say it America would be better off with revamping the educational system so we can start producing a workforce and stop importing from India or the Philippines...

Not only pay foreigners living here. My son have at&t and IBM offices in Philippines India Japan. Etc. Greed runs this country and will be it's down fall.

 

[LilOlLady]

We have tried open borders and amnesties and we know that do not work. Securing the border by any measures. Instread of trying to fix the middle east who was not a threat because Mexicans kill more Americans than middle east terrorist we should have invaded Mexico

We don't have "open borders." Obviously, if we did, Border Patrol would not be intercepting 4,000 a day. Streamlining and perhaps changing some of the rules would be helpful to them. I don't understand why they can't just revise the statute so that people who enter the country illegally cannot request asylum.

Because neither political side will vote it. It will have to be demanded by the Americans with "no" rejected as an option. Laws will also need to be changed to prevent illegals from doing business, securing housing or owning property, or obtaining licenses or any services.

In other words, you want the ultimate POLICE STATE - the Orwellian nightmare. Right?

Wrong, and thick to boot. That's the Democrats' goal, not mine. Note that nothing I suggested included citizens or authorized visitors.

What I want is for illegals to stay home and take care of their own problems on their own soil, not bring those problems here and expect Americans to cover them.

Most "illegals" as you ignorantly call them are coming here because your American counterparts invite them here.

You mean democrats and the businesses that are in bed with them.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We have tried open borders and amnesties and we know that do not work. Securing the border by any measures. Instread of trying to fix the middle east who was not a threat because Mexicans kill more Americans than middle east terrorist we should have invaded Mexico

We don't have "open borders." Obviously, if we did, Border Patrol would not be intercepting 4,000 a day. Streamlining and perhaps changing some of the rules would be helpful to them. I don't understand why they can't just revise the statute so that people who enter the country illegally cannot request asylum.

Because neither political side will vote it. It will have to be demanded by the Americans with "no" rejected as an option. Laws will also need to be changed to prevent illegals from doing business, securing housing or owning property, or obtaining licenses or any services.

In other words, you want the ultimate POLICE STATE - the Orwellian nightmare. Right?

Wrong, and thick to boot. That's the Democrats' goal, not mine. Note that nothing I suggested included citizens or authorized visitors.

What I want is for illegals to stay home and take care of their own problems on their own soil, not bring those problems here and expect Americans to cover them.

Most "illegals" as you ignorantly call them are coming here because your American counterparts invite them here.

I would not be one to deny the stupidity of those schooled in the public system these last several decades.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I wouldn't work for you, either, Porter. You can't stop finding fault with the people around you and judge everyone based on your highly limited experience of what an "average 25 year old American" is.

Limited experience? Judging people? You have to be freaking joking.

I was a Justice of the Peace before the state eliminated those positions for magistrates. Then I worked in the legal field for many years. Then I became a minister and my work is unlike what preachers normally do.

My entire day is spent helping people get on their feet. My limited experience means that I deal with over a dozen families per week. It sends me into drug rehab centers to counsel people, dealing with people's probation officers, and trying to help people get back on their feet. Yeah, that's real limited experience when you do it seven days a week. With only three and half plus decades of experience, you're probably right. I'm willing to bet your experience is much more extensive than mine.

I also have to work with the Georgia Dept. of Labor. They have classes on how to dress for a job interview and what is expected. So, yeah, I'm judging people on their appearances too. Wear the wrong clothes, go too far on makeup, tattoos, body piercings, and / or go to a job interview smelling like an ashtray and it will affect the outcome of the interview. BTW, did you notice I'm the one bitching about people like you - that support National ID and endless background checks - checks for things that might amount to nothing more than a youthful indiscretion... crap that those over 40 did in their life and the cops back then just told people to quit doing and go home. Yeah, you're probably right. I need to have help wanted signs out for another 15 years, interview at least 8 to 10,000 more people for jobs; counsel another couple thousand people before I can claim any relevant experience.

You're burnt out, Porter. After nine years of working with families where at least 70% had either an alcohol or drug addiction involved, I understand. But it's time to go when all you can feel for them is frustration and contempt.
You only see the folks with huge problems and challenges. It is not the "average" American is my only point.

Quite the optimist you are! I'm looking for the exception. That is why I just graduated back in September with a degree in Christian Education. I plan on teaching, but you are oblivious to reality.

NOBODY on this board can tell you honestly that they do not know of an American who is not living off Uncle Scam, on drugs, unemployed, or living off relatives - and / or some combination thereof.

I know no such person or persons. But then, I don't hang in those social circles.

Sure you don't. You're perfect and so is everyone you know.

That's the most nearly-correct thing you've said all day.

 

[Slyhunter]

Back on topic. Close the southern border.