They don't like Trump's tweeting, they think he should have to communicate with us through the Fake News Media so they can twist and lie about what says and thinks.
Trump Threatens Iran!
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A nice improvement after 16 years of Dumb and Dumber.The best on a while for sure.Best president EVER!!!
NoNukes
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And they laughed in his face.
Muhammed
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And Trump just turned their top General responsible for the attack into mincemeat. Blew him to smithereens. They're not laughing now, are they?
Pentagon says it killed top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani on Trump's order
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there4eyeM
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People with real power don't threaten.
Well, that probably makes him feel better.
AND NOW HE’S DUST. AND IT’S GLORIOUS: ‘Ringleader’ Of U.S. Embassy Attack Was Invited To Obama White House In 2011.
Trump plays you like a puppet.
Well, there you have it. More Quid Pro Quo by the Donald. Now he is trading a safer embassy for retaliation and threats against a hostile enemy. Obviously for personal gain of defending American property and lives. No doubt expects to win votes for this! Election tampering; I can see it now: Pelosi Impeachment 2.0.
So, who is laughing now?
SO LET’S STIPULATE THAT THE DEMOCRATS’ ROSE-MCGOWAN-LIKE REACTION IS STUPID AND ANTI-AMERICAN. That doesn’t mean that there are no possible valid critiques of bombing Soleimani. But honestly, I can’t think of any. Here are the main candidates:
1. It will provoke Iran.
Well, maybe. But Iran has been at war with us for 40 years; we’ve mostly chosen to pretend otherwise. Iran’s top priority is wrecking our presence in the mideast, and then eventually destroying America. This doesn’t change that. At most it might make them spring an operation earlier than they had planned, which is as likely to do them harm as it is to do anything.
2. It increases the risk of war.
We’re already at war, see above. If anything, it makes Iran look weak, which hurts them in the region and gives domestic rebels heart and momentum. (See: ‘Overthrow is within reach’: Leader of Iranian resistance group hails death of Qassem Soleimani.)
3. It was illegal because there was no congressional authorization.
Pretty hard to take that argument seriously in 2019, but at any rate Soleimani orchestrated an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, which is for these purposes an attack on American soil. (Even the governor of a state is allowed by the Constitution to wage war without Congressional authorization when actually attacked.) Besides which, we have a Congressional authorization for use of military force in Iraq, and this is covered by its exceedingly broad terms. Also, it’s reported that he had a large anti-American operation in the works.
4. We can’t know the ramifications.
That’s true. But that’s also true of not acting. Unintended consequences rule in the sphere of government action, but you can’t base your policy choices on not having any.
5. Orange Man Bad.
To be honest, this seems to be the real objection. It’s a stupid one.
Persistence Of Memory
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I think the libs are dying to start an ISIS recruitment page here on this board.
petro
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Well.
Iran has been chanting death to America since the peanut farmer.
Pretty sure diplomacy has failed.
HOPEFULLY SULEIMANI’S SUCCESSOR HAS A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE HIS SELF-INTEREST LIES: Trump Threatens Iran on Twitter: ‘We’ll Hit Them Harder Than They’ve Ever Been Hit Before.’
Persistence Of Memory
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NEO ON TEDDY ROOSEVELT AND TRUMP: Big Stick Diplomacy, Then And Now.
All the fake news hype was fake news.
The groundless meme that Trump is a warmongering loose cannon with no restraint and no plan has been an axiomatic one in the Fake News MSM ever since he became a candidate. Before we actually had experienced his behavior as president, it made some sense to see him that way. Hey, I was very concerned about it myself, and wrote as much in many posts on this blog.
But anyone who has observed Trump during the three years he’s actually been president should have given up that notion. His threats, tweets, and actions have turned out to almost always be well thought out, although they may sound spontaneous and impulsive (which is an art in and of itself, a carefully cultivated one).
But the Fake News Media and the anti-Trumpers can’t give up the notion that he’s uninformed and even stupid, uncontrolled, and making it up as he goes along. He’s not a “speak softly and carry a big stick” guy, he’s a “speak loudly and carry a big stick” guy, and they don't understand how big sticks work.
It’s instructive to look at what Teddy Roosevelt was getting at with the doctrine:
Roosevelt's big stick diplomacy had five components. First it was essential to possess serious military capability that would force the adversary to pay close attention…The other qualities were to act justly toward other nations, never to bluff, to strike only when prepared to strike hard, and the willingness to allow the adversary to save face in defeat.
Towards the end of Trump’s speech today he said this:
“Finally, to the people and leaders of Iran, we want you to have a future and a great future, one that you deserve,” Trump said. “One of prosperity at home and harmony with the nations of the world.
“The United States is ready to embrace peace with all who seek it,” Trump added.
Nice touch.
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