Trump Says "Insurance for Everyone."

[Doc1]

...and those problems come because our government won't put in legislation that caps how much insurance companies can charge... because lobbyist pay the Congress members lots of money not to put that type of laws in place...

Before the ACA insurance companies had to apply to the State Insurance Commissioners for their increases. The ACA mandates that ANY increase that was in the double digits had to be kicked up to HHS. The Feds control the increases.

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

Why are you telling me this?

Because like most people you can't see beyond your own nose.
I'm telling you this because people DO need our help.
I'm also telling you this because HHS is limiting what companies need in order to keep going. HHS is denying them this. and that's why they are pulling out of the Market.
They are doing this because that was the plan. Kill the system.

 

[dblack]

You've no idea how many hardworking people get up and go to work each day and cannot afford insurance. You've no idea how hard it is to tell them when they call that they do not make enough money for the Gov to help them. Yes, that's what I said, let that sink in. You've not heard the anguish in their voices because they need help and cannot find it. You've got yours and that's all that matters.

I don't know whether this was addressed to a particular board member, or was just a general attempt to stereotype anyone opposed to ACA as heartless thugs, but it's certainly not true in my case. I won't volunteer any personal details but I'm keenly aware of how we're using health care to squeeze the lower classes. ACA is the next step in that trajectory. A half century of inflation driven by the regulatory state drove the working classes to accept, first, their employers as the 'owners' of their health; now, the government.

 

[BluesLegend]

Nobody is saying that but you. When people lie and claim people without insurance are left to die, we call them out on that lie by pointing out that any ER will treat those people.

No... people WILL die. ER's don't do organ transplants nor give free cancer treatments... or do preventative care for blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, etc. They also don't help pay for meds. So yes, go ahead, prove me wrong.

While you are at it, please provide proof the majority of people that get health insurance under Obamacare are prostitutes and losers buying bling and drugs.

Government already confiscates 50% of every dollar I earn, tax upon tax, fee upon fee, tell me just how much will be enough to fund this utopia of yours? 75%? 85%?

Sorry, wrong argument. I'm still waiting to hear your facts about how the majority of people that got health insurance from Obamacare are druggies and prostitutes that use their money to buy drugs and bling.

No I'm sure they are hard working citizens who get up and work a job each day...oh wait then they could afford their own health insurance. Well at least they could before Obamacare abolished all the low cost health insurance options so they could force healthy people to pay into Obamacare to fund health insurance for the moochers.

No, a lot of people can't afford their own insurance because many companies will only allow them to work part time so that they do not qualify for insurance through their company thus making the insurance affordable.

I suppose they can't afford a new car or a big flat screen tv either, how much is all this going to cost me?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually, that's why you should start complaining about it. The costs the insurance companies are experiencing are so much higher than predicted that they are either raising rates beyond what many people will be able to pay or just dropping out of markets altogether.

No it doesn't matter. The Republicans think they can come up with a better system that does the exact same things... and the same people here complaining that their tax dollars go to help moochers are happy with the new system that is going to be put into place... that uses their tax dollars.

It's not a question of using tax dollars but of getting value for those tax dollars. Because of the rising costs of Obamacare, it is not going to be able to do the job for very long. Even Hillary proposed spending more tax dollars to try to shore up the problems with Obamacare, but with insurers' costs rising so rapidly, there would be no end to pumping more and more tax dollars into this plan.

...and those problems come because our government won't put in legislation that caps how much insurance companies can charge... because lobbyist pay the Congress members lots of money not to put that type of laws in place...

Not true. Obamacare has a provision that participating insurance companies must show a certain percentage of their revenue goes to pay benefits before they can raise rates, so when these huge rate increases are announced, the insurance company has already shown the government that they are necessary because of costs. The Obama administration's predictions about costs were just wrong.

If you look at total health care expenditures per capita by year you will see straight line growth. The dire predictions of the GOP have been false.

What has been true is that Republicans have refused to cooperate on known cost saving ideas that can be added to the ACA.

The GOP objective has been purely political from the start - they even stated so.

What is true is that the Obama administration's predictions on what costs the insurance companies would experience were very wrong, and that is why the premiums are going up by so much and so many insurers are just dropping out of the markets.

 

[Doc1]

...and those problems come because our government won't put in legislation that caps how much insurance companies can charge... because lobbyist pay the Congress members lots of money not to put that type of laws in place...

Before the ACA insurance companies had to apply to the State Insurance Commissioners for their increases. The ACA mandates that ANY increase that was in the double digits had to be kicked up to HHS. The Feds control the increases.

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

That's not true... in fact insurance companies are making more profit than predicted.

Making a killing under Obamacare: The ACA gets blamed for rising premiums, while insurance companies are reaping massive profits

HHS controls increases. Why are companies pulling out of the market?
BCBS here was losing 55 million a year, they pulled out. We have ONE company now.

 

[dblack]

...and those problems come because our government won't put in legislation that caps how much insurance companies can charge... because lobbyist pay the Congress members lots of money not to put that type of laws in place...

Before the ACA insurance companies had to apply to the State Insurance Commissioners for their increases. The ACA mandates that ANY increase that was in the double digits had to be kicked up to HHS. The Feds control the increases.

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

That's not true... in fact insurance companies are making more profit than predicted.

Making a killing under Obamacare: The ACA gets blamed for rising premiums, while insurance companies are reaping massive profits

Guaranteed profits are always better than 'high' profits.

 

[Lewdog]

No... people WILL die. ER's don't do organ transplants nor give free cancer treatments... or do preventative care for blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, etc. They also don't help pay for meds. So yes, go ahead, prove me wrong.

While you are at it, please provide proof the majority of people that get health insurance under Obamacare are prostitutes and losers buying bling and drugs.

Government already confiscates 50% of every dollar I earn, tax upon tax, fee upon fee, tell me just how much will be enough to fund this utopia of yours? 75%? 85%?

Sorry, wrong argument. I'm still waiting to hear your facts about how the majority of people that got health insurance from Obamacare are druggies and prostitutes that use their money to buy drugs and bling.

No I'm sure they are hard working citizens who get up and work a job each day...oh wait then they could afford their own health insurance. Well at least they could before Obamacare abolished all the low cost health insurance options so they could force healthy people to pay into Obamacare to fund health insurance for the moochers.

No, a lot of people can't afford their own insurance because many companies will only allow them to work part time so that they do not qualify for insurance through their company thus making the insurance affordable.

I suppose they can't afford a new car or a big flat screen tv either, how much is all this going to cost me?

Again, another outlandish statement with no facts to back it up. Can you make a single statement for your argument that you have facts?

 

[Lewdog]

Before the ACA insurance companies had to apply to the State Insurance Commissioners for their increases. The ACA mandates that ANY increase that was in the double digits had to be kicked up to HHS. The Feds control the increases.

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

That's not true... in fact insurance companies are making more profit than predicted.

Making a killing under Obamacare: The ACA gets blamed for rising premiums, while insurance companies are reaping massive profits

HHS controls increases. Why are companies pulling out of the market?
BCBS here was losing 55 million a year, they pulled out. We have ONE company now.

That's just it, Obamacare knew there would be some states where things would be worse for companies than others but it would all balance out... but the insurance companies pull out of the bad ones and stay in the other ones... and continue to make huge profits.

 

[owebo]

No... people WILL die. ER's don't do organ transplants nor give free cancer treatments... or do preventative care for blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, etc. They also don't help pay for meds. So yes, go ahead, prove me wrong.

While you are at it, please provide proof the majority of people that get health insurance under Obamacare are prostitutes and losers buying bling and drugs.

Government already confiscates 50% of every dollar I earn, tax upon tax, fee upon fee, tell me just how much will be enough to fund this utopia of yours? 75%? 85%?

Sorry, wrong argument. I'm still waiting to hear your facts about how the majority of people that got health insurance from Obamacare are druggies and prostitutes that use their money to buy drugs and bling.

No I'm sure they are hard working citizens who get up and work a job each day...oh wait then they could afford their own health insurance. Well at least they could before Obamacare abolished all the low cost health insurance options so they could force healthy people to pay into Obamacare to fund health insurance for the moochers.

No, a lot of people can't afford their own insurance because many companies will only allow them to work part time so that they do not qualify for insurance through their company thus making the insurance affordable.

I suppose they can't afford a new car or a big flat screen tv either, how much is all this going to cost me?

When it's your money, does it matter to liberals?

 

[Lewdog]

Government already confiscates 50% of every dollar I earn, tax upon tax, fee upon fee, tell me just how much will be enough to fund this utopia of yours? 75%? 85%?

Sorry, wrong argument. I'm still waiting to hear your facts about how the majority of people that got health insurance from Obamacare are druggies and prostitutes that use their money to buy drugs and bling.

No I'm sure they are hard working citizens who get up and work a job each day...oh wait then they could afford their own health insurance. Well at least they could before Obamacare abolished all the low cost health insurance options so they could force healthy people to pay into Obamacare to fund health insurance for the moochers.

No, a lot of people can't afford their own insurance because many companies will only allow them to work part time so that they do not qualify for insurance through their company thus making the insurance affordable.

I suppose they can't afford a new car or a big flat screen tv either, how much is all this going to cost me?

When it's your money, does it matter to liberals?

I already proposed that all your money goes to defense and mine will go to health care.

 

[owebo]

Before the ACA insurance companies had to apply to the State Insurance Commissioners for their increases. The ACA mandates that ANY increase that was in the double digits had to be kicked up to HHS. The Feds control the increases.

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

Why are you telling me this?

Because like most people you can't see beyond your own nose.
I'm telling you this because people DO need our help.
I'm also telling you this because HHS is limiting what companies need in order to keep going. HHS is denying them this. and that's why they are pulling out of the Market.
They are doing this because that was the plan. Kill the system.

Yes, to kill the system to make single layer......yet that doesn't seem to bother you,mi mean, as a conservative....

 

[Doc1]

You've no idea how many hardworking people get up and go to work each day and cannot afford insurance. You've no idea how hard it is to tell them when they call that they do not make enough money for the Gov to help them. Yes, that's what I said, let that sink in. You've not heard the anguish in their voices because they need help and cannot find it. You've got yours and that's all that matters.

I don't know whether this was addressed to a particular board member, or was just a general attempt to stereotype anyone opposed to ACA as heartless thugs, but it's certainly not true in my case. I won't volunteer any personal details but I'm keenly aware of how we're using health care to squeeze the lower classes. ACA is the next step in that trajectory. A half century of inflation driven by the regulatory state drove the working classes to accept, first, their employers as the 'owners' of their health; now, the government.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. Every word of that is true. And those very truths changed my heart and my support of Insurance Reform. Like it or not we need it, and like it or not it might be a bit painful financially. I am a Conservative from the Reagan era.

 

[toomuchtime_]

...and those problems come because our government won't put in legislation that caps how much insurance companies can charge... because lobbyist pay the Congress members lots of money not to put that type of laws in place...

Before the ACA insurance companies had to apply to the State Insurance Commissioners for their increases. The ACA mandates that ANY increase that was in the double digits had to be kicked up to HHS. The Feds control the increases.

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

That's not true... in fact insurance companies are making more profit than predicted.

Making a killing under Obamacare: The ACA gets blamed for rising premiums, while insurance companies are reaping massive profits

It's a foolish article that doesn't explain how HHS approved these large rate increases under Obamacare rules if costs hadn't risen more than premiums. The rules are firm, the insurers must show HHS what their costs are before they can raise premiums.

 

[owebo]

Sorry, wrong argument. I'm still waiting to hear your facts about how the majority of people that got health insurance from Obamacare are druggies and prostitutes that use their money to buy drugs and bling.

No I'm sure they are hard working citizens who get up and work a job each day...oh wait then they could afford their own health insurance. Well at least they could before Obamacare abolished all the low cost health insurance options so they could force healthy people to pay into Obamacare to fund health insurance for the moochers.

No, a lot of people can't afford their own insurance because many companies will only allow them to work part time so that they do not qualify for insurance through their company thus making the insurance affordable.

I suppose they can't afford a new car or a big flat screen tv either, how much is all this going to cost me?

When it's your money, does it matter to liberals?

I already proposed that all your money goes to defense and mine will go to health care.

I laughed at you before, because you're an idiot....I thought I would memorialize it since well, you're still an idiot.....

Keep your socialist hands out of my pocket.....

 

[WillReadmore]

You've no idea how many hardworking people get up and go to work each day and cannot afford insurance. You've no idea how hard it is to tell them when they call that they do not make enough money for the Gov to help them. Yes, that's what I said, let that sink in. You've not heard the anguish in their voices because they need help and cannot find it. You've got yours and that's all that matters.

Liberals emotionalize debates like you do.....fascinating.....

I am feeling bad for you.
I've been on the phone and at the kitchen table with these people. It's not theoretical with me.

So you want to give them my money to make yourself feel better.. How liberal of you.....

I do not believe most Americans are so morally depricated as to agree with you.

For example, we have citizens who are Christian, Muslim, and even some religious Jews.

 

[Lewdog]

Before the ACA insurance companies had to apply to the State Insurance Commissioners for their increases. The ACA mandates that ANY increase that was in the double digits had to be kicked up to HHS. The Feds control the increases.

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

That's not true... in fact insurance companies are making more profit than predicted.

Making a killing under Obamacare: The ACA gets blamed for rising premiums, while insurance companies are reaping massive profits

It's a foolish article that doesn't explain how HHS approved these large rate increases under Obamacare rules if costs hadn't risen more than premiums. The rules are firm, the insurers must show HHS what their costs are before they can raise premiums.

You don't have to believe the article if you want... just do a search on profit statements from the insurance companies since 2012 when the ACA was enacted.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Before the ACA insurance companies had to apply to the State Insurance Commissioners for their increases. The ACA mandates that ANY increase that was in the double digits had to be kicked up to HHS. The Feds control the increases.

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

Why are you telling me this?

Because like most people you can't see beyond your own nose.
I'm telling you this because people DO need our help.
I'm also telling you this because HHS is limiting what companies need in order to keep going. HHS is denying them this. and that's why they are pulling out of the Market.
They are doing this because that was the plan. Kill the system.

lol Again why are you telling me this since I've been saying essentially the same thing?

 

[owebo]

You've no idea how many hardworking people get up and go to work each day and cannot afford insurance. You've no idea how hard it is to tell them when they call that they do not make enough money for the Gov to help them. Yes, that's what I said, let that sink in. You've not heard the anguish in their voices because they need help and cannot find it. You've got yours and that's all that matters.

I don't know whether this was addressed to a particular board member, or was just a general attempt to stereotype anyone opposed to ACA as heartless thugs, but it's certainly not true in my case. I won't volunteer any personal details but I'm keenly aware of how we're using health care to squeeze the lower classes. ACA is the next step in that trajectory. A half century of inflation driven by the regulatory state drove the working classes to accept, first, their employers as the 'owners' of their health; now, the government.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. Every word of that is true. And those very truths changed my heart and my support of Insurance Reform. Like it or not we need it, and like it or not it might be a bit painful financially. I am a Conservative from the Reagan era.

Seems like you progressed to a liberal from the Obama era.....

 

[Doc1]

...and the Feds get paid by lobbyist... so like I said, it's all a racket that is perpetuated by Congress members who get paid by lobbyist.

HHS is part of the administration so what you are suggesting is that Obama was paid off to allow the insurance companies to charge too much.

I'm telling you that I support helping those that need help. I'm also telling you that MOST insurance are losing their asses.

Why are you telling me this?

Because like most people you can't see beyond your own nose.
I'm telling you this because people DO need our help.
I'm also telling you this because HHS is limiting what companies need in order to keep going. HHS is denying them this. and that's why they are pulling out of the Market.
They are doing this because that was the plan. Kill the system.

Yes, to kill the system to make single layer......yet that doesn't seem to bother you,mi mean, as a conservative....

My love of those who need help supersedes my fear of single payor. I've watched them cry because they need and can't get help. I have had to tell them that they don't make enough to get Gov help. In short, compassion is more important than winning.

 

[owebo]

You've no idea how many hardworking people get up and go to work each day and cannot afford insurance. You've no idea how hard it is to tell them when they call that they do not make enough money for the Gov to help them. Yes, that's what I said, let that sink in. You've not heard the anguish in their voices because they need help and cannot find it. You've got yours and that's all that matters.

Liberals emotionalize debates like you do.....fascinating.....

I am feeling bad for you.
I've been on the phone and at the kitchen table with these people. It's not theoretical with me.

So you want to give them my money to make yourself feel better.. How liberal of you.....

I do not believe most Americans are so morally depricated as to agree with you.

For example, we have citizens who are Christian, Muslim, and even some religious Jews.

Did you think you said something?