Trump pardons Rudy Giuliani and others

[midcan5]

Destroying America's democracy is now a Trump/republican goal. Who knew.

How Democracy Ends by David Runciman review – what Trump and Corbyn have in common

A wonderful, contrarian book captures Twitter-era politics and the danger of allowing democracy to be eroded from within

www.theguardian.com

 

[candycorn]

How about we do away with due process for illegals?

Terrible idea. Only a moron with not even the most fundamental understanding of our justice system would suggest such a dumb thing.

For one thing, due process starts with an arrest. Before someone is arrested, how do you know they are illegal?

If you want to pursue this discussion and try to prop up your silly gambit, we’ll now be subjected to your slow walk-back of of a version of “well..after ________ they have no rights. “.

 

[marvin martian]

Trump pardons Rudy Giuliani and others involved in bid to overturn 2020 election

The pardons may be largely symbolic as none of the people listed were convicted of federal crimes, which the presidential pardon covers.

www.nbcnews.com

President Donald Trump has pardoned Rudy Giuliani and scores of others accused of involvement in the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election, Trump's pardon attorney said late Sunday.

Ed Martin posted a proclamation on X, which says Giuliani and scores of others will be pardoned for alleged activities linked to the 2020 election. Martin was replying to his own X message from May in which he said "No MAGA left behind."

Trump has yet to comment publicly. NBC News has asked the White House for comment.

Boy, this will really set the dem's hair on fire if it's true.

I'm not a Rudy fan and think that he bilked Trump out of money for his own gain.

At this rate, he'll never beat Autopen's numbers.

 

[jotathought]

I’d strip it from every executive.

So you're against the Constitution that states "the President … shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment?"

That's so unamerican

 

[Zincwarrior]

Frankly I thought he had already pardoned Giuliani.

 

[BackAgain]

Rudy got fucked over. Why? Primarily because he had so closely aligned himself with Trump.

Does he deserve the pardon? Obviously.

 

[WEATHER53]

All of these people were in trouble over the fantasy that buffalo horns were going to cast out the elected government and install their own. I mean after all there was a model of a gallows and horns are sharp
This was the beginning of extreme TDS stupidity gaining traction in American culture

 

[candycorn]

So you're against the Constitution that states "the President … shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment?"

That's so unamerican

The founding fathers and mothers had a lot of good ideas. They had a lot of bad ones. Some of them made it into the constitution.

This was one of those bad ideas.

 

[Winco]

Rudy.........LOLLLOOLLLLOOLLL

 

[jotathought]

The founding fathers and mothers had a lot of good ideas. They had a lot of bad ones. Some of them made it into the constitution.

This was one of those bad ideas.

Why?

 

[MagicMike]

The Biden administration made it a crime to even question their clearly STOLEN ELECTION.
How they treated Rudy was a disgrace.

"Clearly stolen?"
Where is that clear proof?

 

[1srelluc]

"Clearly stolen?"
Where is that clear proof?

"81 million votes my ass"

 

[MagicMike]

"81 million votes my ass"

Nobody cares about your "feelings," or your opinion.
Where is the PROOF of any fraudulent votes?
I'll wait.

 

[1srelluc]

Nobody cares about your "feelings," or your opinion.
Where is the PROOF of any fraudulent votes?
I'll wait.

When something is so beyond the realm of possibility it's "proof" in and of itself.

 

[Rogue AI]

Never imo.

Due process for any/all persons, or due process for no persons.... That's how it works...imo

The constitution says no person being arrested for criminal offenses......(it lists a bunch of things prohibiting the govt doing to all persons, including this one below)

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

There could be an argument made by govt stating that they did not commit a criminal offense, are not criminals and are not being held as criminals, but are simply being deported under immigration policy and not being imprisoned and deprived of liberty, perhaps?

There is no due process issue when it comes to illegal aliens. Their arrest in this country is proof of their crime. There is nothing to argue, there is no defense.

 

[struth]

Trump pardons Rudy Giuliani and others involved in bid to overturn 2020 election

The pardons may be largely symbolic as none of the people listed were convicted of federal crimes, which the presidential pardon covers.

www.nbcnews.com

President Donald Trump has pardoned Rudy Giuliani and scores of others accused of involvement in the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election, Trump's pardon attorney said late Sunday.

Ed Martin posted a proclamation on X, which says Giuliani and scores of others will be pardoned for alleged activities linked to the 2020 election. Martin was replying to his own X message from May in which he said "No MAGA left behind."

Trump has yet to comment publicly. NBC News has asked the White House for comment.

Boy, this will really set the dem's hair on fire if it's true.

I'm not a Rudy fan and think that he bilked Trump out of money for his own gain.

This was expected after the evidence that shows this was all a political demafacist witch hunt

 

[excalibur]

At best 50-50 that these pardons will stand judicial scrutiny as the charges are state charges.

Now, the premise is, as mentioned in the 15-page memorandum, that these state charges were the result of Federal interference.

But should any state proceed with prosecution they will ignore the pardons and off we go to Federal court, and ultimately to SCOTUS.

OTOH, the Democrat prosecutors may decide not to expose themselves to discovery of what and how things went down, leading to state charges.

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U.S. Pardon Attorney Martin’s memorandum to President Trump stresses a similar point, namely that the “prosecutions are attempts by partisan state actors to shoehorn fanciful and concocted state law violations onto what are clearly federal constitutional obligations of the 2020 Trump campaign: the establishment of the contingent electors, the actions attendant to their roles as presidential electors, and their duties under established historical and legal precedent to exercise their responsibilities as electors – all of which are functions of federal – not state – law.”​

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Under the memorandum’s reasoning, then, because the states are prosecuting the 2020 Trump electors, and those connected to the decision to use alternative electors, for exercising a solely federal function, the President of the United States can pardon them for their supposed state law crimes. This novel theory seeks to sidestep the normal limitation on the president’s pardon authority — an authority limited to pardoning individuals for solely federal crimes.​

See:

Trump Pardons 77 Citizens Targeted By Dems In Election Lawfare

Trump pardoned 77 citizens who had been targeted by Democrat AGs for their participation in challenges to 2020 election vulnerabilities.

thefederalist.com

 

[WEATHER53]

The founding fathers and mothers had a lot of good ideas. They had a lot of bad ones. Some of them made it into the constitution.

This was one of those bad ideas.

Of course the USSC and Constitution are bad bad bad when lib loon children don’t get their heinous acts implemented

 

[WEATHER53]

My god Biden pardoned anybody and everybody without knowing he had but lib loons snd their rogue judges are trolling for Trump Can’t Do That

 

[Leo123]

Never imo.

Due process for any/all persons, or due process for no persons.... That's how it works...imo

The constitution says no person being arrested for criminal offenses......(it lists a bunch of things prohibiting the govt doing to all persons, including this one below)

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

There could be an argument made by govt stating that they did not commit a criminal offense, are not criminals and are not being held as criminals, but are simply being deported under immigration policy and not being imprisoned and deprived of liberty, perhaps?

Crashing the border is a criminal offense. That being said, Homan is only after those with additional criminal offenses and those with deportation orders already in place. 'Due process' is not possible with 14 million illegal aliens already in our country. Most will just live here for decades. I would set up a self registration program for them and issue them a card. If they run afoul of the law and don't have that card, then immediate deportation.