Trump may not have as much "immunity" as he thinks.

[struth]

Nope. Stormy Daniels said it was a tiny mushroom.

And she made a ton of moneys because folks like you were concerned with trump’s penis size.

Frankly that says more about you then her…but then again you voted for a senile man that once molested his daughter.

 

[struth]

And?

 

[Oddball]

 

[Lastamender]

Are you trying to speak English here?

You must be the only one who does not know what that means.

 

[Man With A Plan]

The problem here is that the Supreme Court said that certain evidence cannot be used against a President. Now, some might argue this doesn't apply to impeachment hearings. Others will definitely argue, every time there is an impeachment hearing, that the Supreme Court said this, and therefore it applies.

That this is Presidential power and Congress cannot take it.

Therefore if Nixon had argued that the evidence could not be used because otherwise it undermines the power of the presidency, and the Supreme Court had backed him up....

He'd have gotten away with it


The Supreme Court did not "simply rule" anything. They made an argument and then they fluffed it up to protect Trump without any regard for the future.

Do even know why Richard Nixon stepped down? You're using him as your example of Presidential criminality and I doubt you even know what it was that finally got him kicked out of office! I'll give you a hint. It was something that Nixon TRIED to do and failed but Barack Obama not only DID but was never indicted for!

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's up to American citizens to keep the government in line with their basic ideological beliefs but what do you do when the media supports the incarceration of American citizens without due process or the murder of an American citizen who did nothing or the incineration of a quirky Christian group in Texas or the insanity of shipping illegal weapons to Mexican drug cartels and the murder of a border patrol officer? Lucky for lefties that the Constitution protected democrats from criminal prosecution.

How do the citizens keep the government in line when the electoral system doesn't give them that power?

Yes, the people should stand up and say "we want Proportional Representation"

But the problem is the people are, for the most part, ignorant of such things. I've been banging on about PR for at least the last 10 years on this forum and I've had maybe two or three people who have said they liked it.

Most say "we don't have that system" or "we already have that system" as an excuse for why it shouldn't change.

The checks and balances have two main ones. The voters, and the militia, same people. It seems in the US people are willing to falling back to the latter, and not bother to do the former properly.

It disgusts me when so much money goes to politicians to fund their lavish lifestyles, rather than on improving the country.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do even know why Richard Nixon stepped down? You're using him as your example of Presidential criminality and I doubt you even know what it was that finally got him kicked out of office! I'll give you a hint. It was something that Nixon TRIED to do and failed but Barack Obama not only DID but was never indicted for!

Why isn't really important here. It the machinations of government.

And I'm not saying the US has ever had a time when governments weren't corrupt.

The difference between before and now is that before everything was controlled. Now there's a huge fight between rich people throwing their money around and foreign countries are getting involved and everyone's manipulating the people through social media.

In the past the media was limited to radio, TV and newspapers and it was difficult to break that down. Those who controlled this did what the government wanted and it kind of functioned.

Now it's a free for all with different narratives and people getting entertained at the same time. It's not going to end well.

 

[Man With A Plan]

How do the citizens keep the government in line when the electoral system doesn't give them that power?

Yes, the people should stand up and say "we want Proportional Representation"

But the problem is the people are, for the most part, ignorant of such things. I've been banging on about PR for at least the last 10 years on this forum and I've had maybe two or three people who have said they liked it.

Most say "we don't have that system" or "we already have that system" as an excuse for why it shouldn't change.

The checks and balances have two main ones. The voters, and the militia, same people. It seems in the US people are willing to falling back to the latter, and not bother to do the former properly.

It disgusts me when so much money goes to politicians to fund their lavish lifestyles, rather than on improving the country.

Why do you think the Electoral College takes power away from citizens? Do you honestly think the country will be better off if we're controlled by a handful of large States?

 

[surada]

And she made a ton of moneys because folks like you were concerned with trump’s penis size.

Frankly that says more about you then her…but then again you voted for a senile man that once molested his daughter.

Stop lying about Biden. She was a toddler and she wasn't molested.

Why would anyone care about Trump's privates? I was surprised Trump bragged about his penis on the campaign trail in 2015.

 

[surada]

Do even know why Richard Nixon stepped down? You're using him as your example of Presidential criminality and I doubt you even know what it was that finally got him kicked out of office! I'll give you a hint. It was something that Nixon TRIED to do and failed but Barack Obama not only DID but was never indicted for!

What did Obama do exactly?

 

[Lastamender]

What did Obama do exactly?

Anything he could to weaken this country.

 

[Man With A Plan]

What did Obama do exactly?

He weaponized the IRS against his political opposition. It was what Nixon TRIED to do back then and was the final straw that had high ranking members of the GOP going to White House and telling him to resign or he WOULD be impeached!

 

[Man With A Plan]

Stop lying about Biden. She was a toddler and she wasn't molested.

Why would anyone care about Trump's privates? I was surprised Trump bragged about his penis on the campaign trail in 2015.

Tara Reade anyone?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why do you think the Electoral College takes power away from citizens? Do you honestly think the country will be better off if we're controlled by a handful of large States?

Let's show you an example.

2017 German federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The German federal election in 2017

The CDU/CSU the main traditional right wing party.

They got 37.27% of the vote. And they got 231 seats out of 299, that's about 77% of the seats. This is with First Past The Post, same system the US uses.

But in Germany they vote twice on the same day.

With Proportional Representation the CDU/CSU got 32.9% of the vote and 246 seats out of 709. That's about 34.6% of the seats.

Can you see the difference?

Another party, the FDP went zero seats with FPTP because they couldn't win more votes in any one constitution in the country, to 80 seats, or 11.2% of the seats, with PR.

Clearly what the people wanted and what the system gave were two VERY DIFFERENT things with FPTP. With PR it gives, more or less, what the people want.

There is a 5% cut off in Germany, this means that about 4% of people didn't get the representation they asked for.

In the US, in the Electoral College system, you vote and the winner wins, the lose gets nothing, for the most part, except Nebraska and Maine.

In California 6 million people voted for Trump and got all the electors voting for Biden.

This makes no sense. You've just disenfranchised 6 million voters. In fact the number of people who voted and they didn't get a say, essentially, is HUGE. You're looking at like 30-40% of the votes.

Then you've got a two party system, which means that anyone who doesn't like the two main parties is left with no option but to vote AGAINST the person they hate the most.

Also, because constituencies can be bought, essentially, you have the German federal election costing less than ONE SENATE SEAT. Money rules.

In Germany people understand what their parties stand for. The CDU for right wing conservationism, the SPD for left wing liberalism, the FDP for center right, the Greens for green policies, the AfD for further right, die Linke fir further left.

In the US people barely know what the main parties stand for. Most of the defining policies are secondary policies.

Also, it's very VERY hard to get rid of the main parties. See today's UK General Election.

Also see in 2015, Farage's UKIP got 12.6% of the vote and one seat in FPTP UK. In 2017 in Germany the AfD got 12.6% of the vote and 94 seats.

The CDU had to listen. If they don't listen to the voters, then very, very quickly they will lose more and more votes to parties like the AfD or the FDP.

With FPTP the main parties can sit back and know people will vote for them because they're voting against the other party. With PR they don't get this. They get people voting for whoever they want to vote for, and knowing that they're not giving votes to the party they don't like.

Say you are a right wing voter. You don't want to vote CDU, you can vote for AfD, and the AfD votes and CDU votes will come together and still form a political block.

In the UK in 2019 the Labour Party and Lib Dems, both left wing, got 13,965,470 votes. The Tories got 13,966,454 votes, less than 1000 votes more than the left wing parties. Yet they got 365 seats to 213. This means the Tories got 25% of the seats in parliament EXTRA, and the people didn't ask for that.

 

[struth]

Stop lying about Biden. She was a toddler and she wasn't molested.

Why would anyone care about Trump's privates? I was surprised Trump bragged about his penis on the campaign trail in 2015.

Haha I am not the one saying his daughter did, and she wasn’t a toddler.

Blaming the victim is par for thr coure for the demklan

I am not sure why you care so much

 

[surada]

Tara Reade anyone?

Tara Reade changed her story often.

 

[struth]

Tara Reade changed her story often.

So did Stomey, so did Jean Carrol,….Ashley Biden didn’t

 

[surada]

Haha I am not the one saying his daughter did, and she wasn’t a toddler.

Blaming the victim is par for thr coure for the demklan

I am not sure why you care so much

She was a toddler. In her diary she is questioning if that was the reason she played doctor with other children.

 

[struth]

She was a toddler. In her diary she is questioning if that was the reason she played doctor with other children.

Hahaha well I think it’s sick yoj are ok with xiden molester is toddler daughter…the sad thing is he was still showering with her when she was in her preteens. The abuse went on for years

 

[Man With A Plan]

Tara Reade changed her story often.

Not as often as E. Jean Carroll or Christine Blasey Ford but you believed both of them...didn't you, Surada!