Trump Lifts Trophy hunt import ban

[Rustic]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

I can't stand the scum DonDon..he is wimp who scums off his daddy's money and gets his rocks off killing beautficul animals..

.

 

[Rustic]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

I can't stand the scum DonDon..he is wimp who scums off his daddy's money and gets his rocks off killing beautficul animals..

.

Simply Beautiful

 

[AvgGuyIA]

This is great news! Now I can get a Silverback gorilla for my collection. I'm going to see if I can bag a giraffe this time.

 

[theHawk]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

There is definitely rampant corruption throughout Africa. The real problem are the third world savages running the place. Not much we can do about that though, other than game their own corrupt system. If we don’t, those Africans would just hunt all the animals down to extinction.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

Nope. President Trump is providing what those impoverished countries are asking for. Trophy hunting and the resources that provides them to fight back against poaching. If we take the Liberal approach and pretend everything will be nice if we just stop Trophy hunting, then Elephants, Rhinos and possibly Lions and Tigers will be poached into extinction. Guaranteed.

They'll be poached into extinction anyway.

Do you know how corrupt these government are?

The South African education minister made sure that South African kids did not have the books they needed at school, because he thought the money looked better in his pocket, rather than in text books.

Zimbabwe and Mozambique are very corrupt. New cars for ministers while the govt employees don't get paid for a year.

If Trump actually gave a shit about these countries, and were doing this in order to make these countries richer, then he'd make sure they got amazing tariff deals on exports to the US. Is he doing that? No.

There is no question that African countries have some of the most corrupt governments in the world. That is why the Continent flounders at the bottom of human existence. All that is true, but I think it is also true that the Westerners desire to pay huge sums of money to Trophy hunt does benefit the people of those countries and does benefit animal conservancy and the animal population.

Then if this is what you believe, then you can prove it.

This map seems to suggest that lions aren't doing very well (from the lion wikipedia page)

http://lionalert.org/alert/lions_in/Mozambique

"A study of lions in the northwest Tete Province of Mozambique suggests 185 lions (range 136 - 227) exist in the region, down from a previous estimate of 295 lions made in 2009."

Well, in 4 years (this from 2013) the number of lions in this area is down by 1/3rd

"February 2014: Surveys of lions in protected areas in Zimbabwe yield disturbing results: what is driving the population collapse? "

Zimbabwe there's a "population collapse"

"January 2014: The Lion in West Africa Is Critically Endangered"

West Africa lions are "critically endangered".

"In 2015 the IUCN stated that “The Lion population is inferred to have undergone a reduction of approximately 42% over the past 21 years (approximately three Lion generations, 1993-2014)” and estimated that fewer than 20,000 lions remain."

In general they've lost 42% of their populations in 21 years.

Lion Populations are Growing in South Africa for the Worst Reason Possible

Here's one about South Africa.

"
Wild Lions Are Disappearing While Captive Populations Grow"

South Africa is seeing an increase in lions, but not in the wild.

"The lions kept in these facilities have been inbred over generations, meaning that if their genes were mixed into wild prides, it could have a devastating impact on the survival of the species."

So there's even a problem with keeping the lions in captivity, they're inbred.

What have you got?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

There is definitely rampant corruption throughout Africa. The real problem are the third world savages running the place. Not much we can do about that though, other than game their own corrupt system. If we don’t, those Africans would just hunt all the animals down to extinction.

Well, the fact you call them "third world savages" shows how little you actually understand about Africa.

Why are they savages? The US is responsible for the War in Iraq and the consequential fuck up post war period that saw up to 1 million people killed, and also led to ISIS in the region.

The US is also responsible for deaths all over the place. And somehow these Africans are the savages.

The Africans are corrupt and they don't bother to hide their corruption, while the US has legitimized its corruption.

It's still corruption. So who are the savages?

I mean in South Africa they have a healthcare system for everyone. In the US they don't. Yes, South Africa's healthcare system sucks, but it's better than nothing. The top 20% in South Africa get great private healthcare, like in the US.

What's the difference?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

There is definitely rampant corruption throughout Africa. The real problem are the third world savages running the place. Not much we can do about that though, other than game their own corrupt system. If we don’t, those Africans would just hunt all the animals down to extinction.

Well, the fact you call them "third world savages" shows how little you actually understand about Africa.

Why are they savages? The US is responsible for the War in Iraq and the consequential fuck up post war period that saw up to 1 million people killed, and also led to ISIS in the region.

The US is also responsible for deaths all over the place. And somehow these Africans are the savages.

The Africans are corrupt and they don't bother to hide their corruption, while the US has legitimized its corruption.

It's still corruption. So who are the savages?

I mean in South Africa they have a healthcare system for everyone. In the US they don't. Yes, South Africa's healthcare system sucks, but it's better than nothing. The top 20% in South Africa get great private healthcare, like in the US.

What's the difference?

sadam Hussein is responsible for the war in Iraq. The US didn't kill 1 million people. And Barrack Hussein Obama created ISIS with his "red line in the sand" threat he wouldnt back up.

The country is being run by adults now. If you don't like it or the US, get the fuck out of my country.

 

[Erinwltr]

Too many human mouths on this planet to feed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

There is definitely rampant corruption throughout Africa. The real problem are the third world savages running the place. Not much we can do about that though, other than game their own corrupt system. If we don’t, those Africans would just hunt all the animals down to extinction.

Well, the fact you call them "third world savages" shows how little you actually understand about Africa.

Why are they savages? The US is responsible for the War in Iraq and the consequential fuck up post war period that saw up to 1 million people killed, and also led to ISIS in the region.

The US is also responsible for deaths all over the place. And somehow these Africans are the savages.

The Africans are corrupt and they don't bother to hide their corruption, while the US has legitimized its corruption.

It's still corruption. So who are the savages?

I mean in South Africa they have a healthcare system for everyone. In the US they don't. Yes, South Africa's healthcare system sucks, but it's better than nothing. The top 20% in South Africa get great private healthcare, like in the US.

What's the difference?

sadam Hussein is responsible for the war in Iraq. The US didn't kill 1 million people. And Barrack Hussein Obama created ISIS with his "red line in the sand" threat he wouldnt back up.

The country is being run by adults now. If you don't like it or the US, get the fuck out of my country.

Nice excuses.... but I don't buy it.

Saddam did a lot of bad things, and the US invaded.

But there are plenty of countries out there with leaders who do bad things.

Pol Pot. Instead of invading Cambodia, the US supported Pol Pot as leader of Cambodia in the UN.

Stalin. The US were allied with Stalin's Russia.

Pinochet in Chile, the CIA helped Pinochet with his efforts at doing bad things

Released by the CIA in 2000

CIA Acknowledges Ties to Pinochet?s Repression

35 Countries Where the U.S. Has Supported Fascists, Drug Lords and Terrorists

35 countries where the US supported some not very nice people.

So, your argument is, of course, complete bullshit. Saddam did what Saddam did, and he wasn't a very nice guy, oh yeah, Reagan supported him though.

But when Iraq threatened OIL, that's when Saddam got on the US's bad books. Threaten oil, and you're gone. Just ask Gaddafi, or Hugo Chavez, well, okay, the US supported coup actually failed there.

But to say that it's all Saddam's fault that the US invaded is nonsense. The US didn't have to invade. The US WANTED to invade.

Why?

Well, let's go back to the 1990s when Hugo Chavez got elected as leader of Venezuela. The US wasn't happy about him getting the other OPEC countries together to help make the cartel a little stronger.

So the US targeted OPEC. Well, it targeted 4 of the countries of OPEC. Saudi Arabia was, and still is, untouchable because they're "allies", hilarious, right?

So, the four countries who hated the US in 2000 were Iraq, Iraq, Libya and Venezuela.

2002, coup against Hugo Chavez, it failed.
2003 invasion of Iraq
2011 bombing of Libya
Sanctions have been imposed against the two countries that have survived, Iran and Venezuela.
Iran has been in the US's sights for a long time. The media pumps out stories about how bad Iran is, might be true, but where are the same stories coming out of Saudi Arabia? Nowhere.

Saudi Arabia where the punishment for adultery can be the death penalty. Where women were legally allowed to drive, but couldn't. A country that supports anti-US terrorism. Doesn't make the news. I wonder why.

So, Iraq had it coming to them because they were A) an oil rich country and B) they weren't friends with the US. This is, apparently, enough reason to get invaded.

Then the post war fuck up by Bremer, oh, blame it on the Iraqis, because it wasn't the Iraqis who disbanded the Iraqi Army and Police and sent lots of men who needed to feed their families into unemployment, and they could only gain employment by going around killing Americans. Oh, wow.

 

[JoeB131]

Finnely, policy not based on a Disney movie.

Because shooting animals is fun... if you're a psycho.

 

[JoeB131]

Trophy hunting changes it all. First off, the meat gos to the native folks who sold the tag for whichever animal is shot by the hunter. Then there is the cash money they get from selling the permit, with that money, they can buy their game wardens guns to deal with poachers instead of big sticks, bows and spears. Or you just stick to the Disney way which is to fly over a herd and shoot them from a helicopter and just leave the carcus lay whare it fell or just poison them. Either way, the poachers win as all they need do is collect what they want.

somehow, I don't think the Natives are keen to eat Cecil the Lion. Most of the animals that make good trophies aren't food animals. They are only near extinction because hunters are taking them for trophies and their habitat is declining.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Finnely, policy not based on a Disney movie.

Because shooting animals is fun... if you're a psycho.

With all the computer games out there where you can shoot whatever you like, actually doing it in person seems rather perverse.

 

[Crixus]

Finnely, policy not based on a Disney movie.

Because shooting animals is fun... if you're a psycho.

With all the computer games out there where you can shoot whatever you like, actually doing it in person seems rather perverse.

Except no one will pay upwards of $30,000 bucks to hunt a vedio elephant.

 

[Crixus]

Trophy hunting changes it all. First off, the meat gos to the native folks who sold the tag for whichever animal is shot by the hunter. Then there is the cash money they get from selling the permit, with that money, they can buy their game wardens guns to deal with poachers instead of big sticks, bows and spears. Or you just stick to the Disney way which is to fly over a herd and shoot them from a helicopter and just leave the carcus lay whare it fell or just poison them. Either way, the poachers win as all they need do is collect what they want.

somehow, I don't think the Natives are keen to eat Cecil the Lion. Most of the animals that make good trophies aren't food animals. They are only near extinction because hunters are taking them for trophies and their habitat is declining.

Okay I’ll respond but I’m getting sick of you crying to Will every time I do. You are pretty wrong as usual. If they sell the tag they say what gets shot. Alturnitive? Obama’s way? Shoot them from helicopters and leave them lay. That’s how many of the governments there do. Endangered animals aren’t legally on the list.

 

[Crixus]

Finnely, policy not based on a Disney movie.

Because shooting animals is fun... if you're a psycho.

Not everyone enjoys porn like you do. No go tell your pal Will.

 

[martybegan]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

Nope. President Trump is providing what those impoverished countries are asking for. Trophy hunting and the resources that provides them to fight back against poaching. If we take the Liberal approach and pretend everything will be nice if we just stop Trophy hunting, then Elephants, Rhinos and possibly Lions and Tigers will be poached into extinction. Guaranteed.

They'll be poached into extinction anyway.

Do you know how corrupt these government are?

The South African education minister made sure that South African kids did not have the books they needed at school, because he thought the money looked better in his pocket, rather than in text books.

Zimbabwe and Mozambique are very corrupt. New cars for ministers while the govt employees don't get paid for a year.

If Trump actually gave a shit about these countries, and were doing this in order to make these countries richer, then he'd make sure they got amazing tariff deals on exports to the US. Is he doing that? No.

There are people in these preserves who try to save specific herds in specific areas. They get a lot of their revenue to do this from trophy hunting used as a method of herd control via eliminating the weakest and oldest animals, much as predators and scavengers would do.

The fact that the very people trying to save these animals as a species are the ones allowing trophy hunting in a controlled manner should tell you what the reality is.

 

[Eaglewings]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

Wrong. With wildlife tourism, each animal gets "used" over and over. It gets killed only once. Waste of natural resources.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

And by culling the older non-breeding animals you allow the younger ones more space, more food and more opportunity to breed.

To me I think the biggest thing people against this forget is that in the wild a natural death is usually not pleasant. Animals don't just doze off and die in their sleep. They either slow down enough for predators and/or scavengers to take them out, or they become unable to move and slowly starve or die of thirst, unless some scavengers or predators come along and then they die from option 1.

That's the opposite of "trophy hunting". When was the last time you saw a write up about a hunter killing old or sick animals? FACT is, trophy hunters want the youngest, biggest and so on. That's the whole point of trophy hunting - the dead animal makes up for the lack of balls on the "hunter".

"Hunter" in quotes because there's usually very little "hunting" involved.

Gotta congratulate you on your idea that since dying in nature is unpleasant, we should just shoot them. That's about as lame as it gets.

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

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Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

Exactly true.

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Donnie Two Scoops did this for one reason - so Little DonDon could bring dead heads home with him.

I can't stand the scum DonDon..he is wimp who scums off his daddy's money and gets his rocks off killing beautficul animals..

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Simply Beautiful

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall..

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[theHawk]

The Liberal outrage against trophy hunting is as usual, misguided and ill-informed. Without trophy hunting in Africa, all you would have is poaching with little resources to fight back. With trophy hunting you have millions of dollars being put into Wildlife conservancy through donations and the permit fees. The meat from the trophy hunt is usually donated to local tribes who dearly need the meat.

In Africa you have poaching with little resources to fight back.

Trophy hunting doesn't change this. The money ends up in the pockets of corrupt officials and nothing more. No more money gets spent on dealing with poaching because there are trophy hunters.

Trophy hunting in Africa: 'Hunt operators are conservationists first, and hunters second'

"The benefits hunters cite are disputed. The League Against Cruel Sports say less than 5% of tour fees go to the government for wildlife conservation. And trophy hunting does damage populations, say conservationists. Researchers who tagged leopards in a reserve in Kwazulu Natal in South Africa found 23 of the 26 leopards tracked between 2002 and 2005 were killed through hunting and poaching for bushmeat."

Is Trophy Hunting Helping Save African Elephants?

"


Fees from trophy hunting of elephants that are supposed to help local communities—and elephants—often don’t. "

"But a closer look at trophy hunting in Africa shows that the industry employs few people and that the money from hunt fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal. Government corruption can be a factor. In Zimbabwe, for instance, individuals associated with President Robert Mugabe have seized lands in lucrative hunting areas. Trophy hunting isn’t stopping poaching, especially in countries that have a poor record of protecting their wildlife."

There is definitely rampant corruption throughout Africa. The real problem are the third world savages running the place. Not much we can do about that though, other than game their own corrupt system. If we don’t, those Africans would just hunt all the animals down to extinction.

Well, the fact you call them "third world savages" shows how little you actually understand about Africa.

Why are they savages? The US is responsible for the War in Iraq and the consequential fuck up post war period that saw up to 1 million people killed, and also led to ISIS in the region.

The US is also responsible for deaths all over the place. And somehow these Africans are the savages.

The Africans are corrupt and they don't bother to hide their corruption, while the US has legitimized its corruption.

It's still corruption. So who are the savages?

I mean in South Africa they have a healthcare system for everyone. In the US they don't. Yes, South Africa's healthcare system sucks, but it's better than nothing. The top 20% in South Africa get great private healthcare, like in the US.

What's the difference?

LOL. You’re trying to blame all of Africa’s problems on Iraq? Muslims invaded Africa a thousand years ago.

Typical un-American regressive, bame the USA for all the world’s problems. If you hate America so much, move to Africa.

 

[Circe]

I would rather see these animals alive ..they mean nothing on the wall.

I saw the darndest thing many years ago babysitting at college. It was a house with a central atrium and around all four interior sides was a balcony, the walls of which were thickly populated with African animal heads, game trophies of all kinds. It was a wealthy area but this was bizarre ---- and the girl's name, an only child of about seven, was "Marshall." I thought, poor kid. She doesn't have a chance to be a girl or woman.

 

[Circe]

Anyway, none of this matters. The actual problem is gross overpopulation of humans all over the world, especially in Africa and Asia and the Mideast.

They are going to crowd out the animals; they already have.

I don't know what to do about it either.

One child, one woman gets to 1/8 the current population in three generations (think about the math) but even China didn't manage that; of course, it hasn't yet been three generations. With what they did do they went from Maoist communist poverty to economic kings of the world in a very short time, so it shows the great potential for improvement in quality of life with population control.

Something Africa is not capable of, so whatever else happens just doesn't matter.