Trump Lawsuit Against ABC Argues New York Penal Law "penile penetration vs digital penetration"

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Trump Lawsuit Against ABC Argues New York Penal Law "penile penetration vs digital penetration"

In a sexual assault case in May of last year, a jury found Mr. Trump had “sexually abused” E Jean Carroll. That jury found that Mr. Trump had not “raped” Ms. Carroll. Why? Because under New York state law, "rape is defined as penile penetration whereas the jury found that he had digitally penetrated her."

Yet,
In a later legal challenge, the federal judge presiding over the Carroll sexual assault case, Lewis Kaplan, concluded that the jury’s finding that she had failed to prove Trump had raped her under New York’s definition did not mean she failed to prove “rape” as many people understood it. He said the jury’s verdict had established that Trump “raped” Carroll, “albeit digitally rather than with his penis”.

Trump Lawsuit Against ABC Argues New York Penal Law "penile penetration vs digital penetration"


Judge refuses to dismiss Trump’s defamation suit against ABC News and George Stephanopoulos over rape claim​


While a Manhattan federal jury last year found that Trump sexually abused Carroll, and held him liable for battery, the jury did not find that she proved her claim that he raped her. However, months later, while dismissing Trump’s countersuit against Carroll, US Judge Lewis Kaplan concluded that the claim Trump raped Carroll was “substantially true,” writing that “he ‘raped’ her in the broader sense of that word, as people generally understand it, though not as it is narrowly defined by New York state law.


In the Trump-ABC lawsuit, US District Judge Cecilia Altonaga, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, wrote Wednesday that these definitions were different enough to let the case move forced.
 
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Trump Lawsuit Against ABC Argues New York Penal Law "penile penetration vs digital penetration"

In a sexual assault case in May of last year, a jury found Mr. Trump had “sexually abused” E Jean Carroll. That jury found that Mr. Trump had not “raped” Ms. Carroll. Why? Because under New York state law, "rape is defined as penile penetration whereas the jury found that he had digitally penetrated her."

Yet,
In a later legal challenge, the federal judge presiding over the Carroll sexual assault case, Lewis Kaplan, concluded that the jury’s finding that she had failed to prove Trump had raped her under New York’s definition did not mean she failed to prove “rape” as many people understood it. He said the jury’s verdict had established that Trump “raped” Carroll, “albeit digitally rather than with his penis”.

Trump Lawsuit Against ABC Argues New York Penal Law "penile penetration vs digital penetration"


Judge refuses to dismiss Trump’s defamation suit against ABC News and George Stephanopoulos over rape claim​



Yeah..I bet Trump thought that the court's ruling was a 'win'!
People are going to beat him to death with this one..The old "I only put my finger in her" defense...LOL!

BTW..on the legal front...the only defense to defamation is actual truth. This now frees ABC to revisit some places that Trump really does not want to go.
 
Yeah..I bet Trump thought that the court's ruling was a 'win'!
People are going to beat him to death with this one..The old "I only put my finger in her" defense...LOL!

BTW..on the legal front...the only defense to defamation is actual truth. This now frees ABC to revisit some places that Trump really does not want to go.
Is it a NY jury the case will be before?
 
To think, a former president, now a major party nominee is arguing New York Penal Law "penile penetration vs digital penetration"
 
Hmm...

You don't like people suggesting through questions?
The Socratic method? Sure..but you might want to dial down the obviousness a bit?
When you ask a question that is literally in your post, you can be read as though you just dropped the post without reading, ya know..just for effect?
 
The Socratic method? Sure..but you might want to dial down the obviousness a bit?
When you ask a question that is literally in your post, you can be read as though you just dropped the post without reading, ya know..just for effect?
Do you want to hijack a thread (again)? I have a few suggestions to help you out...
 
Do you want to hijack a thread (again)? I have a few suggestions to help you out...
When you respond..expect an answer. If that is not your intent, perhaps ya just not respond.
I really don't give a shit about hijacking anything.
I shall refrain from stylistic criticism, I swear.
 
Yeah..I bet Trump thought that the court's ruling was a 'win'!
People are going to beat him to death with this one..The old "I only put my finger in her" defense...LOL!

BTW..on the legal front...the only defense to defamation is actual truth. This now frees ABC to revisit some places that Trump really does not want to go.
“The jury's finding of sexual abuse therefore necessarily implies that it found that Mr. Trump forcibly penetrated her vagina,” Kaplan wrote, calling it the “only remaining conclusion.”
 

A Federal Judge Has Gone to Great Lengths to Make Clear Trump Really Did Rape E. Jean Carroll​

Why state-level legal minutiae impacts what words are used to describe the former president’s criminal conduct.​



Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll​


“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Kaplan said New York’s legal definition of “rape” is “far narrower” than the word is understood in “common modern parlance.”
The former requires forcible, unconsented-to penetration with one’s penis. But he said that the conduct the jury effectively found Trump liable for — forced digital penetration — meets a more common definition of rape. He cited definitions offered by the American Psychological Association and the Justice Department, which in 2012 expanded its definition of rape to include penetration “with any body part or object.”
 
ABC will be using this:


The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1

As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.

So why does this matter?

It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s $2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.

This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been.

There was no evidence at all of such behavior.

Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.

There is no basis for disturbing the jury’s sexual assault damages. And Mr. Trump’s arguments with respect to the defamation damages are no stronger.

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Facts
The Evidence at Trial:

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Facts
The Evidence at Trial:

Ms. Carroll’s case in chief constituted all of the evidence at trial. Mr. Trump neither testified nor called any witnesses. Apart from portions of his deposition that came in on Ms. Carroll’s case, there was no defense evidence at all. The defense consisted entirely of (1) an attempt to discredit Ms. Carroll’s proof on cross-examination, and (2) Mr. Trump’s testimony during his deposition that Ms. Carroll’s account of the alleged events at the department store was a hoax.

Sexual Battery
Liability

The principal evidence as to Mr. Trump’s liability for the sexual assault was the testimony of Ms. Carroll, of the two “outcry” witnesses and of two other women who claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Mr. Trump, the so-called Access Hollywood video, and Mr. Trump’s remarkable comments about that video during his deposition.

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A Federal Judge Has Gone to Great Lengths to Make Clear Trump Really Did Rape E. Jean Carroll​

Why state-level legal minutiae impacts what words are used to describe the former president’s criminal conduct.​



Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll​


“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Kaplan said New York’s legal definition of “rape” is “far narrower” than the word is understood in “common modern parlance.”
The former requires forcible, unconsented-to penetration with one’s penis. But he said that the conduct the jury effectively found Trump liable for — forced digital penetration — meets a more common definition of rape. He cited definitions offered by the American Psychological Association and the Justice Department, which in 2012 expanded its definition of rape to include penetration “with any body part or object.”
Words offensive to the Cult: Judge clarifies.
 
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Kamala Harris ought to bring up

"penile penetration vs digital penetration"​


during a debate.

Oh, I hope she doesn't. She should ignore his craziness and insults.. not get down in the gutter with Trump. She can destroy him by being clear, concise and sticking to the issues.

American women know that forcing digital penetration on a woman is rape. They aren't fools.
 
Oh, I hope she doesn't. She should ignore his craziness and insults.. not get down in the gutter with Trump. She can destroy him by being clear, concise and sticking to the issues.

American women know that forcing digital penetration on a woman is rape. They aren't fools.
If he goes there she cannot stay above the gutter and be seen as tough. She needs to knock out the sucker puncher bully.

And she's a prosecutor. She has said: "I prosecuted sex predators. Trump is one."
 

Trump is also complaining to the courts that Kamala Harris calls him a felon in latest bid to get hush-money judge to recuse himself​


LOL
 
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