Trump Isn't Perfect

[sartre play]

And by "Trump," I am referring to not only his aims and interests, but those of his management team, too.

1. In Genesis we see why he was the better choice for President:
The fact is that the Left has never learned wisdom from the Bible. In Genesis we find the view that individuals should be judged vis-a-vis the era in which they live and in comparison to others.

“Noah w’as a righteous man in his generations.” is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God. Genesis 6:9

It doesn't say Noah was perfect, or holy....simply that he was better than his contemporaries.

Just like Trump.




2. In one way, Trump is like Calvin Coolidge:
In January 1925 President Calvin Coolidge—nicknamed “Silent Cal” for his taciturnity—declared, “The chief business of the American people is business.”



3. But what is best for buisness doesn't always align with MAGA.....making America great for all Americans.



4. What I have in mind here is the question of H1-B visas.
An H-1B visa is a nonimmigrant visa that allows US employers to temporarily hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.

"Trump hired venture capitalist Sriram Krishnan as a senior policy adviser for artificial intelligence, Politico notes, after Krishnan advocated for getting rid of country caps for green cards and skilled immigration, like through H-1B visas."
Forbes.



5.The claim is that tech and finance needs these well-trained Chinese and Indian individuals, so lets get rid of the cap, letting them flood in and make America the most advanced nation on Earth.



6. But the criticism is that in reality, big business simply wants workers who get 30%-40% less than American professionals.
That doesn't make America great, just better for busines.
And we have well trained Americans, who simply will want higher pay.....they are Americans and they need to be protected.



7. The point is, Trump and the Republican party is way better for America than the Left/Democrats.
Just not in everything.

And we need to remember what the first Republican President said:
"Stand with anybody that stands RIGHT. Stand with him while he is right and PART with him when he goes wrong."
Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (October 16, 1854)

DUH, Nobody is.

 

[Robert W]

This is why it's so hard to talk to loyalist like you. Y'all will do more to insinuate something, instead of understanding it.

I'm not praising Biden. I'm simply stating that Trump did something even more left leaning that Biden. (The Platinum Plan) And I said that to try to get you loyalist to understand that Trump doesn't lean right at all.

Stating the fact that the oil industry make more profit under Biden and they received more government subsidies under Biden, isn't praising Biden. It's simply exposing the lies and embellishments the Trump cult spew when discussing Trump & the oil industry.

Biden lied about ending fossil fuels to get elected. Same as Trump said he was going to zero out the national debt, make Mexico pay for the wall and all those other lies he told when he was campaigning. Both are POS's for lying about anything. And their supporters are stupid for believing those lies.

But that's what loyalist do. They believe their candidates lies and cry about the other guy lying.

You lie by saying you did not praise Biden. Hell man, the way you talked about him you operated as if Biden is a right winger. I don't like that confusing term at all. Cult you claim. But just for Trump!!!! That again makes Biden look like your hero. Biden did not lie about killing oil. Biden got his ass spanked by courts of law. But for the courts he would have your gas stations out of business by now. Oh here we go. Mexico fucked up over the wall eh. How about understanding that was what he wanted. It took Mexico being good to get that done.
And you ignore the 558 miles of wall that really does work put up by Trump. Why don't you tell us what Biden did so fine we are overcome by illegal aliens?
My loyalty happens to be to all Americans. I know to you that is crazy. But it is true. I don't want any American to suffer. I try to look at politics via a rational view and understand you clearly have no clue about the congress rules of order. This will fly over your bigoted head.

 

[Robert W]

You like Trumps lies. Democrats like Biden's lies.

You loyalist are retarded.

Nobody ever taught you about the Congress Rules of order. That must be why you don't understand congress at all. And of course you don't understand Trump at all like me and PoliticalChic understand him.

 

[Robert W]

But that's what loyalist do. They believe their candidates lies and cry about the other guy lying.

First you are not loyal to anybody. But you put way more stock in loyalty than either PoliticalChic or me put in loyalty. You think there was a 3rd way out of this mess. Well, how many votes did your 3rd way manage to get? Who was loyal to that person you apparently like over Biden or Trump.

 

[YoursTruly]

First you are not loyal to anybody. But you put way more stock in loyalty than either PoliticalChic or me put in loyalty. You think there was a 3rd way out of this mess. Well, how many votes did your 3rd way manage to get? Who was loyal to that person you apparently like over Biden or Trump.

There's always another way. The GOP had 4 years to get rid of Trump. They've got 4 years to get an actual conservative for president in 2028. But it'll either be a democrat or another RINO like Trump.

 

[YoursTruly]

Nobody ever taught you about the Congress Rules of order. That must be why you don't understand congress at all. And of course you don't understand Trump at all like me and PoliticalChic understand him.

I know how congress works.

If you have to lie to make a point, then you really don't have one, do you?
Political chic doesn't understand Trump at all. She only understands what Trump wants her to understand. That's why she and so many other Trump supporters nominated that big spending RINO, 3 times in a row.

 

[Robert W]

I know how congress works.

If you have to lie to make a point, then you really don't have one, do you?
Political chic doesn't understand Trump at all. She only understands what Trump wants her to understand. That's why she and so many other Trump supporters nominated that big spending RINO, 3 times in a row.

You keep lying that Trump is a RINO. @Politicachic has explained it to you as have others. Why not attack Democrats? You are well that we have not had a successful 3rd party candidate win for eons.

 

[Robert W]

There's always another way. The GOP had 4 years to get rid of Trump. They've got 4 years to get an actual conservative for president in 2028. But it'll either be a democrat or another RINO like Trump.

I spent years as a Director over two major enterprises. I have had this same shit handed to me by loyal Democrats. Republicans like PoliticalChic and Foxfyre are outstanding as are others who vote for Republicans. Frankly you can't name a person who ever voted for the RINO party that you think exists. RINO has never been named on any ballot.

 

[Foxfyre]

I spent years as a Director over two major enterprises. I have had this same shit handed to me by loyal Democrats. Republicans like PoliticalChic and Foxfyre are outstanding as are others who vote for Republicans. Frankly you can't name a person who ever voted for the RINO party that you think exists. RINO has never been named on any ballot.

Actually I am not a Republican though I could be persuaded to become one again if the current Congress comes through with some real reforms and actually gets behind Trump and his team to implement the MAGA vision and agenda. I am registered Republican only because I cannot vote in our state's primary elections if I am a registered Independent.

And I'll have to agree that Trump is also a "RINO" but not as one in the negative sense, i.e. defined as a Democrat pretending to be a Republican. Those RINOs only masquerade as Republican which is akin to a biological male masquerading as a woman.

Trump is neither ideologue nor partisan but is a true Independent. He uses whatever/whoever is available to him to solve problems and get things done. And the Republican Party morally, ethically, philosophically is much more likely to help him in that regard than are the vast majority of Democrats these days.

But you are correct that RINO has never appeared on any ballot.

 

[Robert W]

Actually I am not a Republican though I could be persuaded to become one again if the current Congress comes through with some real reforms and actually gets behind Trump and his team to implement the MAGA vision. I am registered Republican only because I cannot vote in our state's primary elections if I am a registered Independent.

I know you register as a Republican. I know in your heart you only are because of your state politics. Independents must start to wonder why they are since it seems they want to leap to Democrats at times to support Democrats.

 

[Robert W]

And I'll have to agree that Trump is also a "RINO" but not as one in the negative sense, i.e. defined as actually a Democrat pretending to be a Republican. Those RINOs only masquerade as Republican which is akin to a biological male masquerading as a woman.

Trump is neither ideologue nor partisan but is a true Independent. He uses whatever is available to him to solve problems and get things done. And the Republican Party morally, ethically, philosophically is much more likely to help him in that regard than are the vast majority of Democrats these days.

But you are correct that RINO has never appeared on any ballot.

Thank you very very much. I enjoy our discussions due to your true honesty. I understand why Democrats think Trump is a RINO but do not understand why Republicans think he is. Your explanation at least addresses that. As we both know, RINO is a fiction of the country due to it never showing up on Ballots.

Let's deal with this you speak of. Do you believe that at heart you are a RINO? Because you register as a Republican?

 

[Foxfyre]

I know you register as a Republican. I know in your heart you only are because of your state politics. Independents must start to wonder why they are since it seems they want to leap to Democrats at times to support Democrats.

You know the old saying: Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn. Once in a blue moon the Democrats actually get something right and when they do, I will back whatever that is. Trump is the same way. If a Democrat can help him/us/the team get where we need to be, he will never turn down that help on ideological or partisan grounds.

He will never be among the ideologues who for example condemned Lindsey Graham for bump fisting Kamala Harris on the Senate Floor. And he will criticize a Republican he disagrees with just as quickly as he will criticize a Democrat. But he doesn't hold grudges. He can be at bitter/angry odds with somebody on this or that issue but still work amicably and productively with them on the next in which they agree.

In other words he is like no national leader we have had for a very long time now. No he's not perfect as the OP points out. Nobody is ever going to be. He will get some things wrong and he will make mistakes and the dishonest media will make every one seem like the worst thing that anybody has ever done.

But I am 100% certain he has the best interests of America and Americans at heart along with competent instincts and ability and that makes him head and shoulders above and better to be in the White House than anybody else we know of
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[Foxfyre]

Thank you very very much. I enjoy our discussions due to your true honesty. I understand why Democrats think Trump is a RINO but do not understand why Republicans think he is. Your explanation at least addresses that. As we both know, RINO is a fiction of the country due to it never showing up on Ballots.

Let's deal with this you speak of. Do you believe that at heart you are a RINO? Because you register as a Republican?

Yes I am a RINO in the good sense, i.e. I know the Republican Party is far superior to the Democrats at this time in what they know is good for the country. I emotionally/philosophically left the Party, however, when their infighting and resulting fecklessness became intolerable to me. Talking a good game and being to timid or disorganized to actually accomplish things is not reassuring to me. And there was the factor of the old guard Republicans resenting the outsider Trump so much they sabotaged and undercut him to the point that was also intolerable to me.

I am hoping a lot of that has been neutralized or no longer exists though. If the Republicans come through on their agenda and actually work with President Trump and his team to effect some real reforms and showing me and the people that they do have the country back on the right track, I could easily become a proud Republican again

Currently well over 70% of Americans believe the country to be on the wrong track and that was also true before the November election. One more reason Trump was elected.

 

[Robert W]

You know the old saying: Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn. Once in a blue moon the Democrats actually get something right and when they do, I will back whatever that is. Trump is the same way. If a Democrat can help him/us/the team get where we need to be, he will never turn down that help on ideological or partisan grounds.

I can think of Tulsi Gabbard who was a strict Democrat who now is a Republican. But do you think she is that only in name? By strict I mean she ran to be the Democrats president.

 

[Robert W]

He will never be among the ideologues who for example condemned Lindsey Graham for bump fisting Kamala Harris on the Senate Floor. And he will criticize a Republican he disagrees with just as quickly as he will criticize a Democrat. But he doesn't hold grudges. He can be at bitter/angry odds with somebody on this or that issue but still work amicably and productively with them on the next in which they agree.

I keep thinking as you talk to the time I spent as a director over two corporations at the same time. I directed at the local level but also at the state level. I never got to a position where what I see from Democrats here on the forum, to treat other directors as Democrats treat posters here.

Those corporations had directors no doubt from all parties but we never went at each other like I see here. A good example is the budget of the local corporation. I was happy at first with the CEO. Talking to him he seemed to be a true people person. But this was just his mask. When I caught him lying, that took him to another level for me. I then watched his every act. I talked one day to our head of computers. She gave me what I needed to make a correct assessment of the needs of that corporation. She was fired by the CEO for behind honest with me. Well he was digging his own grave. It turned out that I was urged to run to be president. I did that. I was pretty liked by most of them. I was running against this man named Chuck who was for the CEO only and he did not seem willing to fight for the membership. I fought for the membership. But I saw the votes counted in the same room and he beat me easily. I later talked this over with a Broker of a very large office and together he and I figured out how Chuck beat me. This is another story however. I know much about politics.

A major problem I see here on this forum has to do with the experiences had by posters. Some were working at jobs but did not have responsibility. They got paychecks. I have issued paychecks to workers since my first company I owned. I hired a man one time for my machine shop. He was willing to work for me for X dollars per hour. Immediately he floored me by his expert ability to do work for me and make me profits. I called him in after several days and boosted his income by a lot. I made him management. And he never let me down.

 

[Robert W]

In other words he is like no national leader we have had for a very long time now. No he's not perfect as the OP points out. Nobody is ever going to be. He will get some things wrong and he will make mistakes and the dishonest media will make every one seem like the worst thing that anybody has ever done.

But I am 100% certain he has the best interests of America and Americans at heart along with competent instincts and ability and that makes him head and shoulders above and better to be in the White House than anybody else we know of

That was your concluding remarks. I know for a fact you are a wonderful human being. I believe you have the heart of a true patriot. That when you say patriot, you know what it means. You are such a wonderful joy on this forum. We need a lot more of you.

 

[Robert W]

Yes I am a RINO in the good sense, i.e. I know the Republican Party is far superior to the Democrats at this time in what they know is good for the country. I emotionally/philosophically left the Party, however, when their infighting and resulting fecklessness became intolerable to me. Talking a good game and being to timid or disorganized to actually accomplish things is not reassuring to me. And there was the factor of the old guard Republicans resenting the outsider Trump so much they sabotaged and undercut him to the point that was also intolerable to me.

I am hoping a lot of that has been neutralized or no longer exists though. If the Republicans come through on their agenda and actually work with President Trump and his team to effect some real reforms and showing me and the people that they do have the country back on the right track, I could easily become a proud Republican again

Currently well over 70% of Americans believe the country to be on the wrong track and that was also true before the November election. One more reason Trump was elected.

Wonderful. I completely understand what you tell us here. I see the validity of those views. We need more like you. We must eliminate if possible the Bidenistas. But not by harm. But by reason. We changed from Democrats and so will some of these posters here.

Who would imagine Tulsi Gabbard who ran to be the Democrats president now is a good Republican? She is wonderful.

 

[Foxfyre]

That was your concluding remarks. I know for a fact you are a wonderful human being. I believe you have the heart of a true patriot. That when you say patriot, you know what it means. You are such a wonderful joy on this forum. We need a lot more of you.

Thank you but you are way too kind. I am not at all unique here at USMB as there are many with honesty, brilliant insights, competent interpretations of situations, issues, facts, etc. By profession, I may be able to articulate it more quickly--certainly more wordily --and possibly more efficiently than some, but a Patriot is a Patriot and I appreciate you and and the rest.

I would like some who should be patriots to appreciate and support what Trump gets right which is a mountain compared to his relatively molehill of imperfections. His imperfections are far less likely to be of any importance or consequence to any of us while his agenda is indeed needed and beneficial to us all.

Alas there are some so TDS/MDS afflicted that if they were drowning they would refuse a rope the Donald or Elon threw to them.

 

[Robert W]

Thank you but you are way too kind. I am not at all unique here at USMB as there are many with honesty, brilliant insights, competent interpretations of situations, issues, facts, etc. By profession, I may be able to articulate it more quickly--certainly more wordily --and possibly more efficiently than some, but a Patriot is a Patriot and I appreciate you and and the rest.

I would like some who should be patriots to appreciate and support what Trump gets right which is a mountain compared to his relatively molehill of imperfections. His imperfections are far less likely to be of any importance or consequence to any of us while his agenda is indeed needed and beneficial to us all.

Alas there are some so TDS/MDS afflicted that if they were drowning they would refuse a rope the Donald or Elon threw to them.

You are very astute. I wish the Democrats here were as astute as you clearly are.

 

[PoliticalChic]

DUH, Nobody is.

No doubt you are speaking about yourself.

Thanks for the honesty.