Trump is better for the Economy than Biden

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

You're kidding right?? Mid Market companies paid less in taxes. This is a FACT. I may do as I please. Plus we have debated here many times. I am not inferior to you. Far from it.

This is what you get when you google "mid market companies paid less taxes"

Mid Market companies paid less in taxes - Google Search

It's all about how huge companies paid no taxes on billions of dollars in profits, which is a whole other issue.

I didn't say I was superior to you, I tried to politely say that tRumplings sometimes say things that aren't supported by actual facts.

Mid market company is a Company that generates between $50 - $500mil in annual revenues. Wide ranging.

Multi million dollar businesses that got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?

Yes, because they employ the average guy. Are you trying to be stupid? I work in management consulting and work with 30+ companies regularly. Happy to answer any questions you may have.

 

[Indeependent]

Trump has the worst economy since the Great Depression

Trump or the world due to COVID-19? Stock market still 7k higher than under BHO and this is during the worst pandemic in 100 yrs.

We have over 20 percent unemployment and GDP estimated at negative 10 or more.......Depression numbers

Only Biden can save us
He has done it before

Did you enjoy sucking up taxpayers money?

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

When did I say “small”? I said Mid market. Rates dropped. It is simple math. You’re go to is always “Trump supporters are idiots”. Let’s compare resumes right now from education to work experience. You game?

As I noted in another post to you:

Multi million dollar business got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?


Multi million dollar businesses are not the ones that need tax breaks. It's just more welfare for the wealthy.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

When did I say “small”? I said Mid market. Rates dropped. It is simple math. You’re go to is always “Trump supporters are idiots”. Let’s compare resumes right now from education to work experience. You game?

As I noted in another post to you:

Multi million dollar business got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?


Multi million dollar businesses are not the ones that need tax breaks. It's just more welfare for the wealthy.

Bullshit. That is exactly what was needed to halt corporate inversions and have these businesses invest in CAPEX, expansion, innovation and hiring. That was a fantastic policy. Do you understand basic finance and economics?

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

You're kidding right?? Mid Market companies paid less in taxes. This is a FACT. I may do as I please. Plus we have debated here many times. I am not inferior to you. Far from it.

This is what you get when you google "mid market companies paid less taxes"

Mid Market companies paid less in taxes - Google Search

It's all about how huge companies paid no taxes on billions of dollars in profits, which is a whole other issue.

I didn't say I was superior to you, I tried to politely say that tRumplings sometimes say things that aren't supported by actual facts.

Mid market company is a Company that generates between $50 - $500mil in annual revenues. Wide ranging.

Multi million dollar businesses that got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?

Yes, because they employ the average guy. Are you trying to be stupid? I work in management consulting and work with 30+ companies regularly. Happy to answer any questions you may have.

Nope. They already employ the average guy. They will.just line their pockets with the tax breaks. In fact you'll find that's exactly what happened with them.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

When did I say “small”? I said Mid market. Rates dropped. It is simple math. You’re go to is always “Trump supporters are idiots”. Let’s compare resumes right now from education to work experience. You game?

As I noted in another post to you:

Multi million dollar business got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?


Multi million dollar businesses are not the ones that need tax breaks. It's just more welfare for the wealthy.

Bullshit. That is exactly what was needed to halt corporate inversions and have these businesses invest in CAPEX, expansion, innovation and hiring. That was a fantastic policy. Do you understand basic finance and economics?

Lol, it didn't do any of those things.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

You're kidding right?? Mid Market companies paid less in taxes. This is a FACT. I may do as I please. Plus we have debated here many times. I am not inferior to you. Far from it.

This is what you get when you google "mid market companies paid less taxes"

Mid Market companies paid less in taxes - Google Search

It's all about how huge companies paid no taxes on billions of dollars in profits, which is a whole other issue.

I didn't say I was superior to you, I tried to politely say that tRumplings sometimes say things that aren't supported by actual facts.

Mid market company is a Company that generates between $50 - $500mil in annual revenues. Wide ranging.

Multi million dollar businesses that got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?

Yes, because they employ the average guy. Are you trying to be stupid? I work in management consulting and work with 30+ companies regularly. Happy to answer any questions you may have.

Nope. They already employ the average guy. They will.just line their pockets with the tax breaks. In fact you'll find that's exactly what happened with them.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

When did I say “small”? I said Mid market. Rates dropped. It is simple math. You’re go to is always “Trump supporters are idiots”. Let’s compare resumes right now from education to work experience. You game?

As I noted in another post to you:

Multi million dollar business got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?


Multi million dollar businesses are not the ones that need tax breaks. It's just more welfare for the wealthy.

Bullshit. That is exactly what was needed to halt corporate inversions and have these businesses invest in CAPEX, expansion, innovation and hiring. That was a fantastic policy. Do you understand basic finance and economics?

Lol, it didn't do any of those things.

We will never agree since you don’t understand basic finance.

 

[Crepitus]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

View attachment 343460

How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

You're kidding right?? Mid Market companies paid less in taxes. This is a FACT. I may do as I please. Plus we have debated here many times. I am not inferior to you. Far from it.

This is what you get when you google "mid market companies paid less taxes"

Mid Market companies paid less in taxes - Google Search

It's all about how huge companies paid no taxes on billions of dollars in profits, which is a whole other issue.

I didn't say I was superior to you, I tried to politely say that tRumplings sometimes say things that aren't supported by actual facts.

Mid market company is a Company that generates between $50 - $500mil in annual revenues. Wide ranging.

Multi million dollar businesses that got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?

Yes, because they employ the average guy. Are you trying to be stupid? I work in management consulting and work with 30+ companies regularly. Happy to answer any questions you may have.

Nope. They already employ the average guy. They will.just line their pockets with the tax breaks. In fact you'll find that's exactly what happened with them.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

None of that is true. Democrats want immigration reform, but republicans resist that in order to push their complete anti immigration agenda.

tRump brought taxes down for his wealthy buddies and corporations, not the regular guy. The wealthy buddies and corporations promptly used it to enrich themselves further at the public's expense.

Nobody is against companies coming back to the US. Democrats as a general rule are against actually paying them to come back though, as anyone with any common sense should be.

Help people who have a job? How about insisting the companies they work for pay a living wage? Or guaranteeing they won't be bankrupted by an unexpected healthcare bill?

Your post is full of lies and twisted half-truths.

I'm glad you actually responded. Most people don't want to discuss anything. Taxes went down for most people, not just the rich. You can hate the rich, but don't downplay tax cuts the middle class actually received. How is healthcare for illegals due to reform being blocked by Republicans? What immigration reform do democrats actually want? You have mayors warning people that law enforcement is coming. Why would companies come back to the US if we make make it horrible to be here? If it is better everywhere else on earth to have a business, no one is coming back. Having the government set wages seems nice at first, but there are well documented problems with this. Government healthcare raised premiums, deductibles, and produced inferior care. Many dropped insurance instead of paying the penalty. Nice talkin to ya, got to go. I think we want many of the same things.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week. The wealthy folks and companies saved tens to hundreds to million of dollars in some cases. Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent. This was almost exclusively a tax cut for the the already wealthy, who incidentally aren't paying their fair share to start with.

I never mentioned anything about healthcare for illegal immigrants. But it's a nice straw man. Healthcare for everyone else now, there's a topic. You do realize that it was republican modifications to the ACA that made premiums increase steeply, right? Look up "risk corridors". It was also republicans interference that lower the standard of care.

Immigration reform. Separating families at the border is cruel and unusual punishment and thus unconstitutional. It must stop. Dreamers must have a real.path to citizenship. We need real border security solutions, not this wall boondoggle.

It is not horrible for business to be here. They would just rather operate in third world countries where they can get labor for ¢0.20 an hour. The government is already setting wages. They subsidize big business by allowing them to pay less than a living wage and making up the difference for them, thus keeping wages artificially depressed. If the republicans were truly supportive of the middle class you would insist that those practices stop immediately and give the middle class back some self respect and security.

The middle class tax cuts were trivial amounts, a few dollars a week.

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How much did you make that your cut was so small?

Middle class tax cuts were temporary, cuts for the wealthy and companies were permanent.

Pelosi could have written a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent, way back in Jan 2019.

Why hasn't she done that? Maybe Dems don't like cutting taxes for the middle class?

My taxes had a net increase because to offset a meager 3 percent tax cut, Trump deleted my personal tax exemptions and deductions for state and local taxes.

Corporations and billionaires saw no equivalent offsets

Mine too. Thats a good thing. We should pay more to help those that need the monies. Corporations saw a decrease so they could hire more people and invest in various projects.

Hire more people and invest in various projects...

Only they didn’t. They just kept the money

That is absolutely not true. Hence the record low unemployment and higher wages. We shut down the economy on purpose to deal with the virus. It didn't decline because of natural causes.

"We"?

No. tRump fucked around and did NOTHING until.the governors decided they had to act without his guidance.

The economy was on edge before this anyway. That ridiculous Tax cut among other things was artificially propping it up. Who ever heard of cutting interest rates in a booking economy? The whole thing was smoke and mirrors.

WE! Not the Governors. It is the governors who opened it up per his guidance. Trump doesn't cut rates, the Fed does. You may blame him for the trade war, the fact that he didn't reopen the economy around Easter like he should have but not for acting too slowly. Plus the article I posted speaks volumes.

The pressure to open up wasn't "guidance". There was guidance, it got thrown out the window. At first tRump was talking outta both sides of his face. Saying "stay the course, it's too early" in press conferences and twitting about defying the governor's shutdowns. After a while his stopped even giving lip service to the reopening guidelines and just pushed reopening.

Trade wars are nobody but tRump.

tRump pushed his hand picked minion. If you think for one second Powell didn't cut rates because tRump wanted him to you aren't as intelligent as I thought you were.

And he acted so slowly that he still hasn't acted on some of the most important things.

Trump bullied the Fed? Maybe. What do you have against lower rates?

I dislike how Trump has handled the budget, albeit I will give him 4 more years to fix it, given his rationale. I dislike that he has allowed Leftists Governors to quell businesses over this COVID mess, which is an overreaction. We should open the economy now. Look at the riots. People don't give two shits about social distancing.

How lethal is Covid-19 REALLY? Why massive fatality rates from Italy are MISLEADING

In Italy, the proportion of infected people dying from the novel coronavirus — 10 percent according to the latest figures — seems through the roof. Unsurprisingly, there is more to this terrifying figure than meets the eye.

www.rt.com

Nobidy got lower taxes except his chosen friends.

RT? Over our home.grown scientists?

Seriously?

My business did. Home grown flip flop kings like Fauci?

Mine didn't, and I know of no small business that did. I also tend to take tRump supporters with a grain of salt when they claim these things that are the exact opposite of the average experience.

No supporter of tRump is allowed to call anyone else a flip-flopper.

When did I say “small”? I said Mid market. Rates dropped. It is simple math. You’re go to is always “Trump supporters are idiots”. Let’s compare resumes right now from education to work experience. You game?

As I noted in another post to you:

Multi million dollar business got tax breaks.

This is supposed to excite the average guy?


Multi million dollar businesses are not the ones that need tax breaks. It's just more welfare for the wealthy.

Bullshit. That is exactly what was needed to halt corporate inversions and have these businesses invest in CAPEX, expansion, innovation and hiring. That was a fantastic policy. Do you understand basic finance and economics?

Lol, it didn't do any of those things.

We will never agree since you don’t understand basic finance.

Have a nice night.

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-losing-economic-argument-trump-100000826.htm

Money talks. Will be an interesting election....

tRump is better for his rich buddies. Not for the rest of us.

Please don't pretend democrats care about working people. More Guatemalans, taxes, and shipping businesses out of the country as fast as possible doesn't sound like a plan. The redistribution scam has gone about as far as it can. No more elites surrounded by tent cities.

What the fuck are you talking about?

It's republicans granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Taxes are going up no matter who's in office next, dOnald tRump has guaranteed that.

Offshoring is a republican technique to maximize profits. Nothing to do with Democrats.

You've fallen for the fake news.

Again.

Republicans are guilty of amnesty and inaction, however your party is currently fighting every measure at immigration reform such as catch and release, wanting to ban immigration offices, and now offering goodies such as free health care. If you had any honesty or awareness, you would see who is currently riding the illegal train.

Trump actually brought taxes down, and you guys howled like stuck pigs. You suddenly became interested in the deficit and Pelosi made a 3 billion dollar Chistmas list. If Biden wins, what do you think are going to happen to tax rates across the board?

Again, Republicans are guilty of offshoring, but your party is fighting tooth and nail to stop companies from coming back. Republicans finally grew a pair and are trying to get companies to come back, while you guys praise China and yack about a trade war.

Democrats use the middle class and tries to get rid of them at the same time. It is a sick scam. Name one good thing Biden would do to help people who have a job? Raise their energy bills for the green scam?

why hasn't donny grown a pair by stopping his cheap sweatshop made clothing & suits being made in china, mexico, bangledesh ... & brought here to be made by americans? the fucking markup is ridiculous as it is.

oh i know! he's rather say 'greed is good' rather than 'look for the union label'.

hypocrite.

 

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people will vote for a fucking tree stump over donny.

the writing is on the wall.

people will vote for a fucking tree stump over donny.

But enough about ol' stumpy Joe.

actually - that's more of a slam against donny than it is against biden.

but you're too stoooooooooopid to realize that.

Biden is a fucking tree stump and dems are dumb enough that they'll still vote for Joe.

Yeah, that's a slam against Trump all right......DURR

i see you have the same amount of critical thinking skills as the OP.

good job MAGAT .... good job.