Trump files, jury sees classified files or Trump wins

[Marener]

Unless they are Democrats


LOL QED

This non-response does nothing to refute my argument.

 

[Rawley]

You're arguing the FBI planted all those boxes and docs? Yes or no?

I'm stating the simple fact that Biden's DOJ staged that photo SOLELY for publicity purposes.

 

[Rawley]

This non-response does nothing to refute my argument.

This non-response does nothing to refute my argument.

Because we are all struck dumb by the sheer power of your intellect.

 

[Care4all]

Cannon will be replaced.

She should be....

She was appointed directly by Trump and was approved by the republican senate on the LAST DAY of Trump's presidency, January 20th, for the federal judge in the district covering Mara Lago, which only has one federal judge... something smells real fishy, even before any of her shenanigans on this case....

 

[Marener]

Because we are all struck dumb by the sheer power of your intellect.

It’s not complicated. First thing you should do is shed your prejudices.

Trump received a grand jury subpoena for classified documents. He didn’t comply.

That’s illegal and being a former president doesn’t change that.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I'm stating the simple fact that Biden's DOJ staged that photo SOLELY for publicity purposes.

So you're agreeing the docs were there, yes?

If so he is guilty. Thats all the law requires.

 

[Delldude]

From your own link:

Mark Bradley, the director of the National Arhive’s Information Security Oversight Office, told the House Intelligence Committee the office has found boxes of classified information in unclassified containers from every administration since the Reagan Administration, according to a report, which the committee voted to release Wednesday.

A lot of the problem stems from library archives which a president wouldn't be totally aware of......also in the article.

 

[Rawley]

It’s not complicated. First thing you should do is shed your prejudices.

Backatcha

Trump received a grand jury subpoena for classified documents. He didn’t comply.

Six weeks after he voluntarily turned over boxes and boxes of documents. Biden/Garland chose to turn this in to a criminal matter. Unprecedented in US history. A truly sad day for this country.

 

[Rawley]

So you're agreeing the docs were there, yes?

If so he is guilty. Thats all the law requires.

So why isn't Biden going to prison? So why isn't Hillary going to prison? So why isn't Bill going to prison? So why isn't Pence going to prison? So why isn't Carter going to prison?

 

[Marener]

Mark Bradley, the director of the National Arhive’s Information Security Oversight Office, told the House Intelligence Committee the office has found boxes of classified information in unclassified containers from every administration since the Reagan Administration, according to a report, which the committee voted to release Wednesday.

A lot of the problem stems from library archives which a president wouldn't be totally aware of......also in the article.

This really has nothing to do with the topic. The quote is from NARA saying that when presidential records are shipped to them, there are classified records in boxes which were labeled unclassified.

This is not about people taking records home, it's about records being mixed up but still in custody of the government. From the testimony:

 

[Catsnmeters]

Then no classified or national security documents will be mentioned? Or is the expectation for the jury to “just trust” Jack Smith?

If it is relevant or helpful...it's not.

All the jury really needs to know is Trump kept documents.

According to CBS, ABC, and NBC there are 31 counts of willful retention of national security information. Have those been dropped?

No. They deal with the espionage act which is a whole different criterion then ordinary classified documents.

Trump faces 31 charges under the Espionage Act: The law on government secrets explained

The Espionage Act, used to charge Trump, is a 1917 law that outlines the type of sensitive government information that is illegal to mishandle.

abcnews.go.com

Trump is specifically charged with 31 violations of Section 793(e) of the Espionage Act.

Apparently Trumps attorneys believe that the documents are relevant and helpful to their case. They should know, correct?

So they have provided reasoning why it would helpful or relevant to the case?

Can I see that arguement from them please?

Or are you the self appointed expert on the case that trumps attorneys will present?

Not an expert. Just a layman who is repeat ing the facts of the case.

 

[Delldude]

Ok. Then the Jury can be made up of people with TS clearances, which means people aware of how the documents are supposed to be stored and the responsibility that comes with the clearances.

They'd have to pick a jury and do background checks.......extending the trial for months.

The judge is saying how can jury come to a conclusion/rule on evidence they can not see.

"Trust Us"

 

[Marener]

Six weeks after he voluntarily turned over boxes and boxes of documents. Biden/Garland chose to turn this in to a criminal matter. Unprecedented in US history. A truly sad day for this country.

Returning classified documents to the federal government is taken pretty seriously as it should.

It's also irrelevant to the issue of Trump refusing to comply with the subponea.

 

[Catsnmeters]

A strawman is what you just presented, Trump has not been convicted

I understand that but he has been indicted.

If I posted he was convicted, I was in error.

 

[Delldude]

This is not about people taking records home, it's about records being mixed up but still in custody of the government.

LOL...............if the gov't still has custody, why do they have to go to a library to confiscate classified doc's that staff inadvertently found?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Why? Whose mind would be changed by a verdict either way?

I believe there are some people that do not want to vote for Biden but would be even less inclined to vote for a felon. Not everyone is a mindless partisan drone like you.

Trump will rot in a cell before he leaves the country. But I doubt that a judge will lock him up.

No way. Trump is a coward, he will run if he loses the election.

I’ll wager a year off the board on the not leaving part - other than for a vacation or to meet with other heads of state.

You Game?

Yep.

 

[Marener]

LOL...............if the gov't still has custody, why do they have to go to a library to confiscate classified doc's that staff inadvertently found?

That's a different quote from the testimony. They were referring mostly to members of Congress. Not to administrations.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If it is relevant or helpful...it's not.

All the jury really needs to know is Trump kept documents.

That may be all that Jack Smith wants him to know. Don’t they need to know that the documents were somehow against the law for him to have?

Imagine if this were a case of possessing an illegal weapon with any prosecutor worth assault, show the jury a weapon with a canvas cover on it and say, “this weapon is so illegal that we cannot even show it to you?”

When the prosecution is allowed to just tell the jury about suppose evidence, and hide it from them, that is the definition of a kangaroo court. Kudos to judge Cannon for not letting her court be that.

No. They deal with the espionage act which is a whole different criterion then ordinary classified documents.

Trump faces 31 charges under the Espionage Act: The law on government secrets explained

The Espionage Act, used to charge Trump, is a 1917 law that outlines the type of sensitive government information that is illegal to mishandle.

abcnews.go.com

Trump is specifically charged with 31 violations of Section 793(e) of the Espionage Act.

Violating the espionage by retaining national security information. If those are the charges, then the information is the evidence.

In a case in which a person was charged with sending a terroristic threat in the mail, imagine a prosecutor refusing to show the jury the piece of mail with the threat. Could he say “this is so threatening that cannot even be shown to you!“ And expect a conviction?”

Jeez, you want your trial so bad, but you’re not interested if it will be anywhere close to a fair trial?

So they have provided reasoning why it would helpful or relevant to the case?

Other than the obvious?

Can I see that arguement from them please?

Sure, look it up. I’m not doing your legwork for you.

Not an expert. Just a layman who is repeat ing the facts of the case.

And applying your own non-expert interpretation.

 

[Orangecat]

What projection?

This projection:

Why do you MAGAts hate reading?

Pay attention, kid.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

He's not like the rest of us. He's a former President of the United States

which means he is just a civilian with a few perks. none of those perks include being above the law