Trump attacks the Federalist Society!

[TimFitz]

I am confused, are you agreeing with Trump then now? You guys are all over the place on this thread

I asked the question.

You dodged it.

 

[JLW]

I think I understand what you're saying, JLW, you're more of a communist manifesto sort of person.

No, I am more of a Common Sense kind of guy. The thing about strict constructionism and the Constitution is that the founding fathers could not agree on what was meant by some of the terms in the Constitution; further, the Constitution was purposefully written broadly to allow for interpretation in the future. It is why the Constitution has survived for over 200 years while other Constitutions of other nations have been banished to the trash heap of history.

 

[Meister]

No, I am more of a Common Sense kind of guy. The thing about strict constructionism and the Constitution is that the founding fathers could not agree on what was meant by some of the terms in the Constitution; further, the Constitution was purposefully written broadly to allow for interpretation in the future. It is why the Constitution has survived for over 200 years while other Constitutions of other nations have been banished to the trash heap of history.

One thing is for certain, the Founding Fathers were for a Constitution that limited the powers of the
federal government. It was set up to protect it's citizens from it's government. NOT protecting the
government from its citizens. This is what you and the judicial system seem to have forgotten about.
Trump hasn't forgotten it. It's you that is more in line with communism than MAGA or Trump.

 

[dblack]

One thing is for certain, the Founding Fathers were for a Constitution that limited the powers of the
federal government. It was set up to protect it's citizens from it's government. NOT protecting the
government from its citizens. This is what you and the judicial system seem to have forgotten about.

Agreed.

Trump hasn't forgotten it. It's you that is more in line with communism than MAGA or Trump.

I don't recall anything he's said that indicates he's ever read the Constitution. He certainly doesn't respect its limitations on his power.

 

[Meister]

Agreed.

I don't recall anything he's said that indicates he's ever read the Constitution. He certainly doesn't respect its limitations on his power.

Trump wants to give the states more power over themselves, he wants a more limited federal government.
And, he believes in the private sector for our economy.

 

[JLW]

One thing is for certain, the Founding Fathers were for a Constitution that limited the powers of the
federal government. It was set up to protect it's citizens from it's government. NOT protecting the
government from its citizens. This is what you and the judicial system seem to have forgotten about.
Trump hasn't forgotten it. It's you that is more in line with communism than MAGA or Trump.

The Constitution was written after the debacle known as the Articles of Confederation. The Articles of Confederation had very weak executive powers. The Constitution cured that defect by giving the executive more power and authority but also circumscribed the role of the presidency by codifying the separation of powers doctrine.

What you red MAGA are all about is doing away with the separation of powers and creating a unitary presidency with no checks and bounds. We see that in the attack on the judiciary and the ceding of Congressional authority to Trump by the MAGA controlled Congress.

It is no accident that Trumpism and MAGA have much in common with Leninism. The idea behind Leninism is to bring the system down and have only one party. Steve Bannon and many MAGA consider themselves Leninists.

You know, like yourself.

Bannon says he’s a Leninist: that could explain the White House’s new tactics | Victor Sebestyen

Trump’s top political adviser says he wants to destroy the state, like the Bolshevik leader, and some of his ideas certainly echo the Russian revolutionary

www.theguardian.com

 

[struth]

I asked the question.

You dodged it.

which question? You've been all over, that's why I am confused, so you agree with Trump or do you agree with the Federalist Society?

 

[80zephyr]

They are.

Which is why they;re not rubber stamping Trump’s lawlessness.

Bullshit. When the SCOTUS votes unanimously to overturn, you know that it is lawfare. 00%.

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[Meister]

The Constitution was written after the debacle known as the Articles of Confederation. The Articles of Confederation had very weak executive powers. The Constitution cured that defect by giving the executive more power and authority but also circumscribing the role of the presidency by codifying the separation of powers.

What you red MAGA are all about is doing away with the separation of powers and creating a unitary presidency with no checks and bounds. We see that in the attack on the judiciary and the ceding of Congressional authority to Trump by the MAGA controlled Congress.

It is no accident that Trumpism and MAGA have much in common with Leninism. The idea behind Leninism is to bring the system down and have only one party. Steve Bannon and many MAGA consider themselves Leninists. The idea behind Leninism is to bring the system down and install one party rule.

You know, like yourself.

I see you really don't know what you're talking about. But, cool story, bro.
Right now, it's the democrats who have created an illusion of a one party system
with the rabbit trail they blazed for themselves over the last four years.

 

[Darkwind]

The courts are responsible for applying the laws written by Congress and as a function of the Constitution.

The President is required, per the Constitution, to faithfully execute those laws.

WW

The Court, also known as the Supreme Court, is responsible for applying laws written by Congress. The SUPREME COURT is the only court that is a separate branch from the Legislative and Executive.

DISTRICT Courts have no business in the Executive OR Legislative Branch. They are, in fact, directly answerable to Congress.

There is a process in our system of law. You take your grievance before the court and it rules within the scope of its authority -- WHICH IS NOT NATIONAL -- and if a party does not agree with the court's ruling, they are entitled to appeal. The APPEALATE court also does NOT have national authority, but authority over ONLY its own district. If the Grievance is not satisfied by the Appellate court, then a right to appeal to the SCOTUS exists, and it is ONLY at this level that a national ruling can be made.

You claim that a President is not King, and that is correct.

However, the District and Appellate courts are also not Kings, and they are, in fact, limited to their districts only.

 

[TimFitz]

The unitary theory doesn’t say the president doesn’t have to act within the law and is all powerful

You could have fooled your beloved fuhrer!

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

No in the least. I just don't believe in the Unitary President Principle currently in vogue.

The laws CONSTRAIN what a President can do, he his not all powerful.

WW

Beautifully stated...

 

[TimFitz]

The unitary theory doesn’t say the president doesn’t have to act within the law and is all powerful

There is no one unitary executive theory.

There are variations. Some recognize judicial restraint.

The one the Trump regieme prefers is that he is all powerful and immune from prosecution while he is in office.

 

[TimFitz]

Of course he wanted people to believe that and I am glad he was succcesful, glad you guys are on board now!

No, most people are not aboard with the idea of creating a well financed right wing pressure group with the express mission of imposing a corporate/right wing agenda on the nation by stacking the courts with ideological toadies.

Judges are supposed to be impartial.

That was NEVER the aim of the Federalist Society, which exists to politicize the courts.

 

[MarcATL]

For those that don’t know what the Federalist Society is, it is an ultra-conservative organization that seeks the appointment of ultra-conservative judicial appointees. Among its current and former members are Alito, Thomas and Scalia. Many of the judges ruling against Trump’s unconstitutional actions are Trump appointees vetted by the Federalist Society, most recently a judge on the US Court of International Trade.

Trump and MAGAs do not like Judges who apply the law and follow the Constitution if the rulings go against Trump.

That is not what judges are supposed to do in MAGA world!

In MAGA world you do what Trump says without regard to the law or the Constitution.

Of course, calling Leonard Leo a “sleaze bag” will not endear Trump to some Supreme Justices who have a very high opinion of Mr. Leo and the work he has done in reshaping the courts.

For the record, I am no fan of Mr. Leo or his work regarding the courts, but it is amusing to watch Trump attack one of the most conservative judicial organizations in the US.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/29/trump-goes-after-leonard-leo-and-the-federalist-society-in-fury-over-court-ruling-00375813

But of course!

 

[BothWings]

Let me translate RINO as used by MAGA.

RINO is a “conservative” who exercises independent judgement apart from Trump and does not march in lockstep to the directives coming down from the WH.

LMAO!

John McCain singlehandedly prompted me to start saying "RINO" way back in 2008!
So once again, try and tell us who is obsessed with Trump.

 

[TimFitz]

which question? You've been all over, that's why I am confused, so you agree with Trump or do you agree with the Federalist Society?

You’re doing your disingenuous dancing around again.

Here again, are the questions.

“Are you glad because the Federalist Society came perilously close to achieving its goal of creating a unitary executive above the law, and bending jurisprudence to the desires of the oil billionaires who financed it.

Or, are you glad that appointees that they had installed actually uphold the law?”

 

[TimFitz]

LMAO!

John McCain singlehandedly prompted me to start saying "RINO" way back in 2008!
So once again, try and tell us who is obsessed with Trump.

When a Trump cultist calls someone a RINO, they’re almost always attacking that person for not kowtowing to Trump.

 

[Oddball]

No in the least. I just don't believe in the Unitary President Principle currently in vogue.

The laws CONSTRAIN what a President can do, he his not all powerful.

WW

Black letter law says he can deport illegals all he wants, any time he wants.

So suck on it.

 

[Failzero]

They must have been the ones who must have sabotaged 2 of his 4 SCOTUS pics