Trump asks Bibi if he REALLY wants peace. yahoo!!!

[USAF 2023]

See the problem continues to be addressed as, "If the Jews just did something different ..."

It's the wrong approach.

That was my point. Olmert offered them ALMOST everything they wanted. So, REASONABLY, what should Netanyahu do differently?

 

[Shusha]

Realistically Olmert offered everything they wanted. Not even almost everything.

 

[USAF 2023]

Realistically Olmert offered everything they wanted. Not even almost everything.

For those who insist the subject is about Netanyahu, my question still stands. REASONABLY what could Netanyahu have offered? This question is just about him . Fair question . The response is....,,,,,,??????? Deafening.

 

[RoccoR]

PRE: Trump asks Bibi if he REALLY wants peace. yahoo!!!
※→ ILOVEISRAEL, Coyote, et al,

■ SUBTOPIC: Why wasn’t Olmert’s offer even considered?

These are different carrots from the same packet of seeds and grown in the patch.

So ANY deal Israel would make with the Palestinians would be a waste of time. Why bother?

What has Netanyahu actually done to indicate he's interested in "peace"? Without talking about the Palestinian
What has Netanyahu done or said that indicates an interest in peace?
What are Netanyahu’s plans for the future of the Palestinians?

(COMMENT)

From the perspective of the Prime Minister of Israel → looking into the future:

✪ What are the risks that peace brings now to Israel?
✪ What advantages to does the status quo bring Israel?​

If, for example, that the "Olmert Peace Package" (from the 'Olmert ⇔ Abbas' Negotiations - or some variation) were considered (supported by more than half the Israeli population), and then the very same issues were to reemerge again, what advantage would Israel have in the protection of its citizenry, territorial integrity, political independence, and sovereignty? (RHETORICAL) Answer: Absolutely none. In fact, in terms of the previous behaviors of the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), the current risk assessment says that Israel will only encourage a growth in dangers by the HoAP - but that the Israeli Disengagement Plan was accepted with the expectation that Israel proper would realize a marked improvement in the security of citizenry of Israel, and result in a marked decrease in the necessity for Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). With the reduction of the IDF, the withdrawal of the Occupation Forces there was every expectation on the part of the Israelis and the Quartet of a noticeable reduction in confrontations between Israelis and Arab Palestinians. In 2005, the unilateral disengagement was completed. The exact opposite of the expectation occurred. In fact, every aspect angle from the Israeli perspective showed a very accelerated increase in threats to Israel's citizenry, territorial integrity, political independence, and sovereignty.

Evidence to date that the HoAP, like any blackmailer (for peace) will keep coming back to the trough for more. And, the increase in confrontations has a meaningful and steady rise in hostile events since that time.

THUS: There is no reasonable expectation that the offer and acceptance of the "Olmert Peace Package" would result in any meaningful reduction in violent confrontations.

The "status quo" might actually bring some advantage to the Israelis. As we can see from the staged riotous advances on the Gaza - Border perimeter, Great March of Return, it is extremely hard to identify anyone that would fit the age group:

Persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine
during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who
lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the
1948 conflict.
​

If you were born in Israel on the last day of eligibility, then you would have to be ≈ 70 years old. The age group of 65 years and over: 2.54% (male 23,729/female 21,936) (• 2017 est. CIA Fact Book Gaza Strip •); with a life expectancy of fewer than 76 years old. We are talking about a group of less than 50 thousand people. Have you seen any pictures of the Great March of Return where the preponderance of the marchers are 70 years old or older? (RHETORICAL) So, if Israel can maintain the status quo for another five - to - ten years, how many Arab Palestinians will be alive and fit that profile? (RHETORICAL) near zero.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Coyote]

PRE: Trump asks Bibi if he REALLY wants peace. yahoo!!!
※→ ILOVEISRAEL, Coyote, et al,

■ SUBTOPIC: Why wasn’t Olmert’s offer even considered?

These are different carrots from the same packet of seeds and grown in the patch.

So ANY deal Israel would make with the Palestinians would be a waste of time. Why bother?

What has Netanyahu actually done to indicate he's interested in "peace"? Without talking about the Palestinian
What has Netanyahu done or said that indicates an interest in peace?
What are Netanyahu’s plans for the future of the Palestinians?

(COMMENT)

From the perspective of the Prime Minister of Israel → looking into the future:

✪ What are the risks that peace brings now to Israel?
✪ What advantages to does the status quo bring Israel?​

If, for example, that the "Olmert Peace Package" (from the 'Olmert ⇔ Abbas' Negotiations - or some variation) were considered (supported by more than half the Israeli population), and then the very same issues were to reemerge again, what advantage would Israel have in the protection of its citizenry, territorial integrity, political independence, and sovereignty? (RHETORICAL) Answer: Absolutely none. In fact, in terms of the previous behaviors of the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), the current risk assessment says that Israel will only encourage a growth in dangers by the HoAP - but that the Israeli Disengagement Plan was accepted with the expectation that Israel proper would realize a marked improvement in the security of citizenry of Israel, and result in a marked decrease in the necessity for Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). With the reduction of the IDF, the withdrawal of the Occupation Forces there was every expectation on the part of the Israelis and the Quartet of a noticeable reduction in confrontations between Israelis and Arab Palestinians. In 2005, the unilateral disengagement was completed. The exact opposite of the expectation occurred. In fact, every aspect angle from the Israeli perspective showed a very accelerated increase in threats to Israel's citizenry, territorial integrity, political independence, and sovereignty.

Evidence to date that the HoAP, like any blackmailer (for peace) will keep coming back to the trough for more. And, the increase in confrontations has a meaningful and steady rise in hostile events since that time.

THUS: There is no reasonable expectation that the offer and acceptance of the "Olmert Peace Package" would result in any meaningful reduction in violent confrontations.

The "status quo" might actually bring some advantage to the Israelis. As we can see from the staged riotous advances on the Gaza - Border perimeter, Great March of Return, it is extremely hard to identify anyone that would fit the age group:

Persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine
during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who
lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the
1948 conflict.
​

If you were born in Israel on the last day of eligibility, then you would have to be ≈ 70 years old. The age group of 65 years and over: 2.54% (male 23,729/female 21,936) (• 2017 est. CIA Fact Book Gaza Strip •); with a life expectancy of fewer than 76 years old. We are talking about a group of less than 50 thousand people. Have you seen any pictures of the Great March of Return where the preponderance of the marchers are 70 years old or older? (RHETORICAL) So, if Israel can maintain the status quo for another five - to - ten years, how many Arab Palestinians will be alive and fit that profile? (RHETORICAL) near zero.

Most Respectfully,
R

So maintaining the status quo is in part a means of denying the surviviving Palestinian refugees any sort of compensation for property that was taken when they were denied the abi,it’s to return?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Trump asks Bibi if he REALLY wants peace. yahoo!!!
※→ ILOVEISRAEL, Coyote, et al,

■ SUBTOPIC: Why wasn’t Olmert’s offer even considered?​

Who pledged the framework with the main principles:

• No peace with Israel,
  
• No recognition of Israel,
  
• No negotiations with it,

Sometimes in politics and diplomacy, a situation develops that looked like a good idea at the time, yet it backfired.

One has to ask FIRST: Are the Israelis any more capable of resolving the displacement — the redemption fantasy of returning across the former Green Line — than the Palestinians are of leaving their current land holdings and residents quietly to the Jews? (RHETORICAL)

So maintaining the status quo is in part a means of denying the surviving Palestinian refugees any sort of compensation for property that was taken when they were denied the abi, it’s to return?

(COMMENT)

No one disagreed that the core issues including refugees (compensation), Jerusalem, settlements, security, and water. But opposite of Arab Palestinian core issues are is the war reparations and restitution.

Israel and the Palestinians have been to the negotiating table at least 8 times since the turn of the century. The last of the face-to-face negotiations ended in 2014 - when during a consultation break - Muhmad el-Habash added that if Israel does not agree to the Mahmoud Abbas Peace Plan, and/or the timetable, the Palestinian Authority will begin unilaterally moving forward, politically and diplomatically towards compelling Israel to accept a peace agreement.

The matter was left to the Palestinian Authority and Chairman/President Abbas who lodged a complaint with the International Criminal Court (ICC) over alleged crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) including East Jerusalem since June 13, 2014. It was noted by everyone that Abbas left out the Hostile Arab Palestinian activities that lead up to the 2014 confrontation. AND the ICC made, as recently as 18 April 2018 (ten days ago) that:

It is with grave concern that I note the violence and deteriorating situation in the Gaza Strip in the context of recent mass demonstrations. Since 30 March 2018, at least 27 Palestinians have been reportedly killed by the Israeli Defence Forces, with over a thousand more injured, many, as a result of shootings using live ammunition and rubber-bullets. Violence against civilians - in a situation such as the one prevailing in Gaza – could constitute crimes under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court ("ICC" or "the Court"), as could the use of civilian presence for the purpose of shielding military activities.

Eventually, the Arab Palestinians will become successful in the instigation, irrespective of their motivation, whenever and by whomsoever committed, as one of the most serious threats to peace and security intentionally made by the Arab Palestinians. It has not gone unnoticed that it is not the IDF going out to engage the appearance of the unarmed Arab Palestinians, BUT rather it is the Arab Palestinians deliberately crossing a very wide open expanse to penetrate the "legal" physical barrier.

THIS brings us back to the actions that the Arab Palestinians that intentionally retard the peace process. And the open question does benefit the Israelis.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Every rocket launched from Gaza’istan is an act of war.

That may come as a shock to you as apparently you believe Islamics have an entitlement to such acts without consequence.

Yeah but a hundred years into the war is hardly a "start."

Islamic terrorism knows no geographic boundaries or passage of time.

And yes, it is correct that every rocket launched by your Islamic terrorist heroes is an act of war.

Why do whine and moan when Israel responds to those acts of war?

Those rockets are a response to Israel's acts of war.

Another lie.

Every rocket launched from Gaza’istan is an act of war.

That may come as a shock to you as apparently you believe Islamics have an entitlement to such acts without consequence.

Yeah but a hundred years into the war is hardly a "start."

Islamic terrorism knows no geographic boundaries or passage of time.

And yes, it is correct that every rocket launched by your Islamic terrorist heroes is an act of war.

Why do whine and moan when Israel responds to those acts of war?

Those rockets are a response to Israel's acts of war.

Another lie. In 2005 when Israel withdrew from Gaza there were more then 12 Rocket attacks. There were even more in 2006

And the occupation started in 1967.

By warmonger Israel you are correct.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You’re quite befuddled. From 1948 onward, wars of aggression have been initiated by Arabs-Moslems.

You can pretend that history doesnt exist but pleading ignorance after you have been given the facts simply speaks to your agenda.

When did the Palestinians start a war?

Every rocket launched from Gaza’istan is an act of war.

That may come as a shock to you as apparently you believe Islamics have an entitlement to such acts without consequence.

Yeah but a hundred years into the war is hardly a "start."

Islamic terrorism knows no geographic boundaries or passage of time.

And yes, it is correct that every rocket launched by your Islamic terrorist heroes is an act of war.

Why do whine and moan when Israel responds to those acts of war?

Those rockets are a response to Israel's acts of war.

You nailed it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

RE: Trump asks Bibi if he REALLY wants peace. yahoo!!!
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

OH WOW, like it matters today.

What was illegal or illegitimate about the Palestinians declaration of independence?

(COMMENT)

• The Arab Palestinians via the All Palestine Government (APG) was a puppet regime that had no sovereignty.
• The APG rejected the partition plan, then after the UNPC implemented the Israeli half, the APG comes four months late to claim the entirety of the territory formerly under the Mandate.
• The APG fouled-up the potential for the Arab League invasion, make their claim during the conflict and not a party to the conflict.

Illegal and Illegitimate are the wrong words. The words you should be using untimely, inappropriate, invalid and with no government functions in place in the same way as the Israelis by participating in the Steps Preparatory to Independence. The APG could not even establish a government over the Gaza Strip.

Most Respectfully,
R

The APG rejected the partition plan,

That doesn't matter.

the APG comes four months late to claim the entirety of the territory formerly under the Mandate.

The Mandate had no territory.

Arabs-Moslems had no sovereign territory. You already acknowledged that.

So says Israel's bullshit machine.

Do you have any proof of that?

 

[montelatici]

So the Hostile Jew Invaders (HJI) offer to continue their control over the non-Jews in a Bantustan is a good deal.

 

[Shusha]

The Arab Palestinians are going to be controlled by Israel for as long as they need controlling. When they stop the violence, recognize Israel, make peace and demonstrate self-control then they won't need to be controlled externally any more.

But so far they just haven't managed to do it. And, in point if fact, they have been getting worse recently. Their government leaders don't even have the self-control to pretend not to be antisemitic and inciting genocide.

 

[montelatici]

The Arab Palestinians are going to be controlled by Israel for as long as they need controlling. When they stop the violence, recognize Israel, make peace and demonstrate self-control then they won't need to be controlled externally any more.

But so far they just haven't managed to do it. And, in point if fact, they have been getting worse recently. Their government leaders don't even have the self-control to pretend not to be antisemitic and inciting genocide.

Or until the non-Jews overwhelm the Jews demographically and the Jews are unable to control the non-Jews. Much like what happened in Rhodesia and South Africa to the ruling Europeans. Give it a couple of generations.