Trump and Hegseth say two different things about Israel setting Iran's oil and gas on fire...

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America that Israel is not interested in a "peaceful democracy" emerging in Iran, it wants Iran WIPED OUT.

America and Israel are certainly interested in a free and stable Iraq, like it was before 1979....hopefully even more free without some silly Constitutional Monarchy.

Iran got along great with Israel and the US prior to the leftist revolution in 79

 

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in a free and stable Iraq, like it was before 1979

Before 1979 it was ruled by a mass murdering dictator, the Shah. We should've stayed out, but the Shah was Pro Israel so we got "involved" and 200 embassy staffers were detained for 2 years because of that.

 

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Before 1979 it was ruled by a mass murdering dictator, the Shah. We should've stayed out, but the Shah was Pro Israel so we got "involved" and 200 embassy staffers were detained for 2 years because of that.

We were involved with Iran for decades prior, prior to Israel even existing.

The Shah was very liberal, opening the country, allowing women to vote, women to wear what they wanted, people of other faiths to hold public office, opened up education and schools to everyone.....it was called the White Revolution, it's what really pissed off the leftist, and lead to the 1979 revolution, that brought nothing but death and opression.

Since 1979:

There was around 4000k political prisoners executed between 81-84


Then the mass executions in 88: 1988 executions of Iranian political prisoners - Wikipedia

we could go on and on....but just recently, right before Trump told the Iranians we were coming to help, there was over 36K killed

Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

More than 36,500 Iranians were killed by security forces during the January 8-9 crackdown on nationwide protests, making it the deadliest two-day protest massacre in history, according to documents reviewed by Iran International's Editorial Board.

www.iranintl.com

Let's not forget what they do to teenage girls, that were victims of rape: Zeinab was a teenage victim of domestic violence, Iran executed her


That's the regime you defend and want.

 

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That's the regime you defend and want.

False. Like Saddam, no US National Interest present.


Like W, you are obsessed with selling out our troops and the issue of the National Debt because the only country you care about is Israel.

 

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False. Like Saddam, no US National Interest present.


Like W, you are obsessed with selling out our troops and the issue of the National Debt because the only country you care about is Israel.

There is no US interest in a free and stable Middle East? No interest in the leading state sponsor of terror not being in power?

Your an idiot

 

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There is no US interest in a free and stable Middle East?

Believe it or not, but the Middle East was a bit more stable before our troops got sold out again...

 

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No interest in the leading state sponsor of terror

That's just IQ<5 parroted Zionist Fascist Bullshit from a lying treasonous self proclaimed sub human who wants us to believe a 757 can go 530 mph with its nose 8 feet above ground...

 

[Couchpotato]

America and Israel are certainly interested in a free and stable Iraq, like it was before 1979....hopefully even more free without some silly Constitutional Monarchy.

Iran got along great with Israel and the US prior to the leftist revolution in 79

That existed before the US ousted it and installed the Constitutional Monarchy…..

 

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That existed before the US ousted it and installed the Constitutional Monarchy…..

When was that? There was a constitutional monarchy there since 1906. What did we have to do with it?

 

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When was that? There was a constitutional monarchy there since 1906. What did we have to do with it?

You are correct they were a Constitutional Monarchy until the revolution. That said from 41-53 ( I think) the were similar to the British version now. Their prime minister and parliament ran the country not the monarch. The US and British overthrew that system and installed the shah over oil. That’s a well documented fact.

 

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You are correct they were a Constitutional Monarchy until the revolution. That said from 41-53 ( I think) the were similar to the British version now. Their prime minister and parliament ran the country not the monarch. The US and British overthrew that system and installed the shah over oil. That’s a well documented fact.

They had a prime minister and parliament the entire time, that changed after 1979

I don’t disagree that unlike the British monarchy the king of Iran wasn’t just some sort of figure head and had influence

Frankly but for that there wouldn’t have been the modernization that took place under th white revolution

There is no way to cut it l, the world was safer and people of Iran much more free before 1979

 

[Couchpotato]

They had a prime minister and parliament the entire time, that changed after 1979

I don’t disagree that unlike the British monarchy the king of Iran wasn’t just some sort of figure head and had influence

Frankly but for that there wouldn’t have been the modernization that took place under th white revolution

There is no way to cut it l, the world was safer and people of Iran much more free before 1979

The point is that had the US and Britain not gotten involved and overthrown the elected prime minister and installed the Shah we likely dont have the Islamic Revolution on 79'. When are we going to learn? Meddling in the affairs of foreign countries has basically never worked out for us in the long run.

 

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The point is that had the US and Britain not gotten involved and overthrown the elected prime minister and installed the Shah we likely dont have the Islamic Revolution on 79'. When are we going to learn? Meddling in the affairs of foreign countries has basically never worked out for us in the long run.

They didn't install the Shah, that's the point he was already there....he took the thrown from his father in 1941. The point is, you keep spreading propaganda, and have no clue about the history of the country, or the regime from 1979 until now.

It's pathetic

 

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They didn't install the Shah, that's the point he was already there....he took the thrown from his father in 1941. The point is, you keep spreading propaganda, and have no clue about the history of the country, or the regime from 1979 until now.

It's pathetic

Is the CIA spreading propaganda too?

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/the%20central%20intelligence%20%5B15369853%5D.pdf

 

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Is the CIA spreading propaganda too?

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/the%20central%20intelligence%20%5B15369853%5D.pdf

No, where did they say in that report that the Shah wasn't already on the thrown, or that there wasn't already a Constitutional monarchy? Quote from there where it contridicts anything I said, and supports what you have claimed

 

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No, where did they say in that report that the Shah wasn't already on the thrown, or that there wasn't already a Constitutional monarchy? Quote from there where it contridicts anything I said, and supports what you have claimed

I guess this another example of everyone's just lying about this and only YOU know the truth....

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How the US helped oust Iran’s government in 1953 and reinstate the Shah

Operation Midnight Hammer revives the shadow of 1953, as Iran braces for the consequences of another American intervention.

indianexpress.com

1953 coup in Iran | Coup D’etat, Description & Facts | Britannica

The coup that occurred in Iran in August 1953, which resulted in the deaths of some 300 people during fighting in Tehran, removed Mohammad Mosaddegh and restored Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi as Iran’s leader.

www.britannica.com

https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/iran-us-relations-1953-coup-history-explained-126031100460_1.html

CIA-assisted coup overthrows government of Iran | August 19, 1953 | HISTORY

The Iranian military, with the support and financial assistance of the United States government, overthrows the gover...

www.history.com

In first, CIA acknowledges 1953 coup it backed to overthrow leader of Iran was undemocratic

While other American officials have made similar remarks in the past, the acknowledgment by the CIA in a podcast about the agency’s history comes as much of its official history of the coup still remains classified 70 years after the putsch.

www.pbs.org

Believe whatever you want to believe I guess.