Trump Administration Repeals Federal Protections on Puddles, Dry Stream Beds, Some Ditches

[Toddsterpatriot]

I know, it's not like the government tells you what you can do or fines you thousands of dollars a day when you do something they don't like because......water.

It's almost as though you don't have freedom on your own property to vent as much cyanide as you wish into the atmosphere. Tyranny because....air.

It wasn't illegal to "vent cyanide" before Obama's Waters of the United States rule?

You're lying.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Landowners can still be held responsible if large quantities of chemicals from their properties enter waterways.

Whereas small quantities are enough to kill off aquatic life.

The government definitely needs to come onto my property and make sure the aquatic life in my puddles is okay.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And if it's a puddle that is never connected to a waterway, the government should still have total control, because it's water.

It is very likely to end up in a water table.

You're right, the government needs 100% control over 100% of the land.
That should be part of the 2020 Dem platform.

I love how clean water becomes 100% control of the land in the minds of deluded paranoids. Oh well.

You love when the government gets even more control.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Trump Administration Repeals Federal Protections on Puddles, Dry Stream Beds, Some Ditches
Hysterical reactions greet the White House's modest changes to federal clean water rules.

CHRISTIAN BRITSCHGI | 1.24.2020 1:45 PM


(Marty Randall/Dreamstime.com)
Another day, another barrage of hysterical reactions to a marginal regulatory reform. The latest cause for concern is the White House's finalized clean water rule that renounces the federal government's ability to regulate ponds, puddles, and (some) ditches.

Yesterday's regulation replaces the prior Waters of the United States (WOTUS) rule issued by the Obama administration in 2015. The Obama-era rule was controversial from the get-go, with multiple Red states filing legal challenges claiming it exceeded the federal government's authority to regulate water pollution. A slew of federal court rulings stayed the implementation of the rule in over half the states.

The new rule released yesterday is intended to pare back the federal government's regulatory powers to something closer to what Congress intended when it passed the 1972 Clean Water Act.

"All states have their own protections for waters within their borders, and many regulate more broadly than the federal government," said Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) chief Andy Wheeler at a homebuilding conference in Las Vegas today. Wheeler's department, alongside the Army Corp of Engineers, is responsible for writing and implementing the new clean water rule. "Our new rule recognizes this relationship and strikes the proper balance between Washington, D.C., and the states."


Most media outlets reporting on the rule change went with a different framing.
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Stupid post. Ephemeral waterways are not puddles and ditches. That ridiculous rule removes protections from something like 80% of waterways in semi-arid areas like the dessert Southwest.

Insanity.

You got proof for that?

The extension of Waters of the United States under the 2015 ruling was overreach. It had the potential to require federal permitting for miniscule water flows above and beyond the State level permits required.

Imagine having to have a federal permit to hose your lawn if the water ran off into a catch basin. That was the potential impact.

Landowners can still be held responsible if large quantities of chemicals from their properties enter waterways.

You're actually in watermtreatment realworld experience ...tell the useful idiots how ridiculous it was ...people were losing thier land, house and wealth over this .....because of a steam that ran in front of thier property ....

Bureaucracies breed bureaucrats who can be tyranical .....

 

[cnm]

It wasn't illegal to "vent cyanide" before Obama's Waters of the United States rule?

You're lying.

That's because he had 100% control of the land. Ffs.

Paranoid delusionals want it both ways.

 

[cnm]

The government definitely needs to come onto my property and make sure the aquatic life in my puddles is okay.

Why, what toxic substances have you put there?

 

[cnm]

You're actually in watermtreatment realworld experience ...tell the useful idiots how ridiculous it was ...people were losing thier land, house and wealth over this .....because of a steam that ran in front of thier property ....

Bureaucracies breed bureaucrats who can be tyranical .....

So, I assume their run off was polluting that stream, right? How dare their neighbours complain or expect them to not pollute a waterway, the bastards.

 

[SSDD]

And if it's a puddle that is never connected to a waterway, the government should still have total control, because it's water.

It is very likely to end up in a water table.

You're right, the government needs 100% control over 100% of the land.
That should be part of the 2020 Dem platform.

I love how clean water becomes 100% control of the land in the minds of deluded paranoids. Oh well.

Do a bit of research genius.....it won't take you long to find that the worst ecological disasters are the result of government and the worst of the worst can be laid at the feet of socialist....

 

[martybegan]

Landowners can still be held responsible if large quantities of chemicals from their properties enter waterways.

Whereas small quantities are enough to kill off aquatic life.

Depends on what you consider small, and what chemical.

Broad statements on this topic won't work with me, dippy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The government definitely needs to come onto my property and make sure the aquatic life in my puddles is okay.

Why, what toxic substances have you put there?

I don't know, quick, fine me $1000 a day while you find out.

 

[bripat9643]

Exactly!!

If any water ever flows over your land, the government should have total control over your land.

It should certainly have control over any water entering a waterway or a water table from your land, I agree entirely. But feel free to shit in your neighbours' water, that's the American way after all.

That would give it total control over 100% of the land in this country, because all the water that falls on U.S. territory ends up in a river going to the oceans. However, that isn't what the "waters of the US" legislation says. Thank god Trump defeated the sleazy attempt to extend it to every square foot of land in the US.

 

[bripat9643]

It's almost as though water won't feed into waterways through those systems when it rains/floods.

Exactly!!

If any water ever flows over your land, the government should have total control over your land.

People were losing thier land and homes over some of this cr

Exactly!!

If any water ever flows over your land, the government should have total control over your land.

It should certainly have control over any water entering a waterway or a water table from your land, I agree entirely. But feel free to shit in your neighbours' water, that's the American way after all.

State and local not good enough for ya huh ..

I posted a story here locals were caught between local and state doing one thing and the feds fining the shit out of them over NOTHING

They lost thier house and thier land

No ones against clean water and having reasonable rules and regulations ....please stop being a hysterical moron

tRump and his big corporate buddies are against it.

Anyone who has a yard or a farm should be against it.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump Administration Repeals Federal Protections on Puddles, Dry Stream Beds, Some Ditches
Hysterical reactions greet the White House's modest changes to federal clean water rules.

CHRISTIAN BRITSCHGI | 1.24.2020 1:45 PM


(Marty Randall/Dreamstime.com)
Another day, another barrage of hysterical reactions to a marginal regulatory reform. The latest cause for concern is the White House's finalized clean water rule that renounces the federal government's ability to regulate ponds, puddles, and (some) ditches.

Yesterday's regulation replaces the prior Waters of the United States (WOTUS) rule issued by the Obama administration in 2015. The Obama-era rule was controversial from the get-go, with multiple Red states filing legal challenges claiming it exceeded the federal government's authority to regulate water pollution. A slew of federal court rulings stayed the implementation of the rule in over half the states.

The new rule released yesterday is intended to pare back the federal government's regulatory powers to something closer to what Congress intended when it passed the 1972 Clean Water Act.

"All states have their own protections for waters within their borders, and many regulate more broadly than the federal government," said Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) chief Andy Wheeler at a homebuilding conference in Las Vegas today. Wheeler's department, alongside the Army Corp of Engineers, is responsible for writing and implementing the new clean water rule. "Our new rule recognizes this relationship and strikes the proper balance between Washington, D.C., and the states."


Most media outlets reporting on the rule change went with a different framing.
View attachment 302710

Trump destroyer of worlds !

Read the rest
Trump Administration Repeals Federal Protections on Puddles, Dry Stream Beds, Some Ditches

Stupid post. Ephemeral waterways are not puddles and ditches. That ridiculous rule removes protections from something like 80% of waterways in semi-arid areas like the dessert Southwest.

Insanity.

However, the Obama era rule would regulate puddles and ditches. Furthermore, I doubt pollution is much of a problem for dry gulches in the middle of the desert.

 

[bripat9643]

Trumpers love the smell of benzene in the morning so these Trumper anti-environmental posts do not surprise me in the least.

Trumper paradise:

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Lol they're so nazi gay and full of shit
Reason does not exactly have the biggest collection of trump supporters derp

Plus with socialisms abysmal record on the environment any one who ever actually gave a a shit about the environment could never honestly be a socialist..... in a million years

Lol..Someone is triggered. Despite your lies, no one is more anti-environmental than you Trumpers. The more toxins industry dumps into your water supply, the more your type loves it no matter who it injures. You know why? Because that is how sheep act.

We are anti environmental lunacy, like the kind you support, not anti environment.

 

[bripat9643]

No ones against clean water and having reasonable rules and regulations

Trump is. He allows mining concerns to contaminate waterways with heavy metals from their tailings by revoking Obama regulations. That is exactly being against clean water. Not that I care, I don't have to drink it. But I don't have to accept complete bullshit from posters on this site, either.

Please cite the regulation. Otherwise, we'll just assume you're spouting propaganda.

 

[bripat9643]

I know, it's not like the government tells you what you can do or fines you thousands of dollars a day when you do something they don't like because......water.

It's almost as though you don't have freedom on your own property to vent as much cyanide as you wish into the atmosphere. Tyranny because....air.

Yeah, and we all know what a big problem venting cyanide from residential property has become.

 

[bripat9643]

It wasn't illegal to "vent cyanide" before Obama's Waters of the United States rule?

You're lying.

That's because he had 100% control of the land. Ffs.

Paranoid delusionals want it both ways.

Wrong, dumbass.

 

[Crepitus]

It's almost as though water won't feed into waterways through those systems when it rains/floods.

Exactly!!

If any water ever flows over your land, the government should have total control over your land.

People were losing thier land and homes over some of this cr

Exactly!!

If any water ever flows over your land, the government should have total control over your land.

It should certainly have control over any water entering a waterway or a water table from your land, I agree entirely. But feel free to shit in your neighbours' water, that's the American way after all.

State and local not good enough for ya huh ..

I posted a story here locals were caught between local and state doing one thing and the feds fining the shit out of them over NOTHING

They lost thier house and thier land

No ones against clean water and having reasonable rules and regulations ....please stop being a hysterical moron

tRump and his big corporate buddies are against it.

Anyone who has a yard or a farm should be against it.

I have a yard, my father has a cattle farm, my uncle has a dairy farm.

We all love clean water.

 

[Crepitus]

Trump Administration Repeals Federal Protections on Puddles, Dry Stream Beds, Some Ditches
Hysterical reactions greet the White House's modest changes to federal clean water rules.

CHRISTIAN BRITSCHGI | 1.24.2020 1:45 PM


(Marty Randall/Dreamstime.com)
Another day, another barrage of hysterical reactions to a marginal regulatory reform. The latest cause for concern is the White House's finalized clean water rule that renounces the federal government's ability to regulate ponds, puddles, and (some) ditches.

Yesterday's regulation replaces the prior Waters of the United States (WOTUS) rule issued by the Obama administration in 2015. The Obama-era rule was controversial from the get-go, with multiple Red states filing legal challenges claiming it exceeded the federal government's authority to regulate water pollution. A slew of federal court rulings stayed the implementation of the rule in over half the states.

The new rule released yesterday is intended to pare back the federal government's regulatory powers to something closer to what Congress intended when it passed the 1972 Clean Water Act.

"All states have their own protections for waters within their borders, and many regulate more broadly than the federal government," said Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) chief Andy Wheeler at a homebuilding conference in Las Vegas today. Wheeler's department, alongside the Army Corp of Engineers, is responsible for writing and implementing the new clean water rule. "Our new rule recognizes this relationship and strikes the proper balance between Washington, D.C., and the states."


Most media outlets reporting on the rule change went with a different framing.
View attachment 302710

Trump destroyer of worlds !

Read the rest
Trump Administration Repeals Federal Protections on Puddles, Dry Stream Beds, Some Ditches

Stupid post. Ephemeral waterways are not puddles and ditches. That ridiculous rule removes protections from something like 80% of waterways in semi-arid areas like the dessert Southwest.

Insanity.

However, the Obama era rule would regulate puddles and ditches. Furthermore, I doubt pollution is much of a problem for dry gulches in the middle of the desert.

No, it didn't regulate puddles and ditches. That's a lie your talking heads told you and you believed.

Dry stream beds are not dry year round.

Thus the term "ephemeral".

 

[bripat9643]

It's almost as though water won't feed into waterways through those systems when it rains/floods.

Exactly!!

If any water ever flows over your land, the government should have total control over your land.

People were losing thier land and homes over some of this cr

Exactly!!

If any water ever flows over your land, the government should have total control over your land.

It should certainly have control over any water entering a waterway or a water table from your land, I agree entirely. But feel free to shit in your neighbours' water, that's the American way after all.

State and local not good enough for ya huh ..

I posted a story here locals were caught between local and state doing one thing and the feds fining the shit out of them over NOTHING

They lost thier house and thier land

No ones against clean water and having reasonable rules and regulations ....please stop being a hysterical moron

tRump and his big corporate buddies are against it.

Anyone who has a yard or a farm should be against it.

I have a yard, my father has a cattle farm, my uncle has a dairy farm.

We all love clean water.

Do you love being bankrupted for building a pond that the state gave you permission to build?