Trump Administration Ministry of Truth to Define and Prosecute "Hate Speech"

[Billiejeens]

Free speech is only free if people are allowed to voice opinions we don’t like. Otherwise, it isn’t free speech at all—it’s controlled speech, like we see in parts of Europe.

Who gets to decide what counts as “hate speech”? Is it disagreeing with the President? Is it cursing out your team when they lose? Once we hand that power to government officials, every unpopular opinion is at risk.

The First Amendment is crystal clear: the government cannot restrict speech, no matter how vile, unless it is intended and likely to incite imminent violence or lawless action. That’s why the Supreme Court relies on the Brandenburg v. Ohio standard—not vague or subjective labels like “hate speech.”

And this is where the real danger comes in. The Biden Administration openly pressured social media companies to remove posts it considered “fake news.” But who decides what is fake? One administration’s “misinformation” can easily become another administration’s “truth.” Allowing the government to police speech is exactly what the First Amendment was written to prevent.

The “fire in a crowded theater” analogy doesn’t change that. Unless you can prove that speech directly incites violence or a riot, restricting it is skirting dangerously close to violating the Constitution.

I'm noticing a tactic coming from the fascist right. Calling out lies when there are no lies. And completely ignoring when their leaders lie.

What was the one I saw today? So many lies to choose from.

Oh yea. JD Vance said it's obvious the violence is coming from the left. Only that's a lie. You can't dispute it. 52% violence comes from right wing extremists. 22% from the left. 22% from Islam. Facts.

They'll say I lied because I didn't get the percentages exactly right. They get the point. Or do they?

Those are manipulated stats to fool the really ignorant *****.

 

[Moonglow]

Time for an eye examination dude.

I get one in November

 

[sealybobo]

What are you rambling about? I already told you my position, government needs to stay out of our lives. I can’t explain it any better than that.

Nonsense. Government needs to ignore when corporations are being socially irresponsible? Are you a libertarian where you want to see all regulations removed and "let the market decide"?

Let the corporations and rich and powerful control us through media like X and Facebook? And do nothing about it? Say nothing about it?

I think USMB and Facebook should delete lies. If it's an obvious lie, call it out and delete it. What's wrong with us?

Why can JD Vance lie so boldly and the media lets him get away with it?

JD Vance’s ‘statistical fact’ on political violence is neither statistical nor a fact​

If White House officials want to debate whether political violence mostly comes from the left or the right, they might not like where this ends up.

“While our side of the aisle certainly has its crazies,” he said, “it is a statistical fact that most of the lunatics in American politics today are proud members of the far left.”

I realize that many Republicans want this to be true. In fact, by some measures, they seem to need it to be true to justify a broader crackdown on the left, which helps explain why Donald Trump has incessantly repeated the claim in recent days.

The morning after Vance’s comments, a reporter asked the president about Utah Gov. Spener Cox’s message emphasizing the importance of nonviolence. “I agree with it 100%,” the president replied, “but most of the violence is on the left.”

The available research from recent years makes clear that right-wing violence has been more dangerous in the U.S. than left-wing violence. As The New York Times’ David Leonhardt explained in 2022, the American right “has a violence problem that has no equivalent on the left.”

JD Vance’s ‘statistical fact’ on political violence is neither statistical nor a fact

If White House officials want to debate whether political violence mostly comes from the left or the right, they might not like where this ends up.

www.msnbc.com

Basically 55% right wingers, 22% the left, 22% islam. Facts. I know you defend the right to lie but you've crossed over into defending the liars.

 

[sealybobo]

Those are manipulated stats to fool the really ignorant *****.

Ah, fake news? Since you won't accept any information or "facts" we present as real....

Like the Epstein file. You're rather make up impossible scenarios about how we snuck into the Epstein Estate and put that letter from Trump to Epstein in that birthday book of pedo's.

 

[sealybobo]

Harris, Biden, Obama, Trump, Sanders, Pelosi, Johnson, McConnell, Newsom, are not leaders. You may think they are but they aren’t real leaders.

The governor of Utah might be a leader but that takes time and he is such a great leader, you can’t remember his name?

JFK, Reagan, were two of the best leaders in my lifetime.

I didn’t mention Democrats, but calling the other side nazi, facist, hitler doesn’t help does it? You tell me.

Ah. I see you lean right by saying MAYBE you could support this Utah governor. You expose your leanings my friend.

You've been convinced by the right they aren't good leaders. Is all.

Clinton was great. FDR was the hero to the middle class. The New Deal

Call a fascist a fascist. If they walk like a duck, talk like a duck, you know the rest.

Trump openly threatened ABC's Jonathan Karl​

“A lot of your allies say hate speech is free speech,” Karl said, referring to AG Pam Bondi, to which Trump responded: “She’d probably go after people like you because you treat me so unfairly. It’s hate. You have a lot of hate in your heart.”

I know all the crazy shit Trump said before the election didn't bother you enough to say he should never be President. How about the way he's acting now? Forget about team Biden calling facebook for one minute. Have you lost your mind? This is exactly how Hitler took over. Still don't see the similarities?

 

[sealybobo]

Harris, Biden, Obama, Trump, Sanders, Pelosi, Johnson, McConnell, Newsom, are not leaders. You may think they are but they aren’t real leaders.

The governor of Utah might be a leader but that takes time and he is such a great leader, you can’t remember his name?

JFK, Reagan, were two of the best leaders in my lifetime.

I didn’t mention Democrats, but calling the other side nazi, facist, hitler doesn’t help does it? You tell me.

You didn't see the problem with Trump being elected. Are you starting to see it now? Could he do anything to make you say you would have preferred Kamala won instead of him? Or no matter what unAmerican shit he does, are you going to say you'd prefer him over her?

If Biden were president the right would be saying look at the violence caused because he's in charge. Look at what Russia's doing because they don't respect Democrats. Look at the economy because she's in charge.

Are you starting to wake up to the fact Trump totally bullshitted his way into the White House?

Did you hear he's suing people who wrote a book about him?

The suit specifically targets the book Lucky Loser: How Donald Trump Squandered His Father's Fortune and Created the Illusion of Success, written by Craig and Buettner.

But hey, at least he's not attacking their free speech. Maybe the Biden administration should have sued Facebook. This is a Trump tactic. Sued Paramount and they had to settle because they wanted to sell the company.

Trying to get shows that talk badly about him cancelled. THREATENING CBS/Paramount? Not enough proof? But all you did was take Facebooks word for it. It's clear Trump is "threatening" reporters and journalists.

Not alarmed yet? Okay.

 

[the watcher]

I can see this evolving into an awarded social score like the so-called credit score run by banks. You get like -20 points on your score for criticizing Israel and can add +20 by aggressive ass kissing Israel in public. It would be reviewed by locals and passed up to the Minister of Attitude weekly. A passing score would enable you to work for another time until your total dropped to a predetermined level, at which time you would be scheduled for remedial programs, depending on the State's needs. Your score of course would be posted in all public places. There's your transparency you wanted.

 

[sealybobo]

I can see this evolving into an awarded social score like the so-called credit score run by banks. You get like -20 points on your score for criticizing Israel and can add +20 by aggressive ass kissing Israel in public. It would be reviewed by locals and passed up to the Minister of Attitude weekly. A passing score would enable you to work for another time until your total dropped to a predetermined level, at which time you would be scheduled for remedial programs, depending on the State's needs. Your score of course would be posted in all public places. There's your transparency you wanted.

It's kind of scary Trump is basically saying if you are not kissing his ass, you are the enemy. And you are HATE. WOW. What times we live in huh?

 

[BlindBoo]

So this was hate speech?

Yep. They're going to want to come after you for posting hate speak against the Chosen One....

 

[sealybobo]

Yep. They're going to want to come after you for posting hate speak against the Chosen One....

Trump accused an ABC reporter of having “hate in your heart” and suggested the administration may go after the press if they continue to treat him unfairly.

Then an Australian reporter asks him a question and Trump threatens that reporter. He tells the reporter that he's going to tell on him when he meets the Australian government. Guess what? The Australian government defends the reporter. Perhaps Australia is more free than the USA today. Freedom of press and all.

 

[BlindBoo]

Trump accused an ABC reporter of having “hate in your heart” and suggested the administration may go after the press if they continue to treat him unfairly.

Then an Australian reporter asks him a question and Trump threatens that reporter. He tells the reporter that he's going to tell on him when he meets the Australian government. Guess what? The Australian government defends the reporter. Perhaps Australia is more free than the USA today. Freedom of press and all.

New rule, when the Neo-GOP are in control. "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal!"

 

[Papageorgio]

Nonsense. Government needs to ignore when corporations are being socially irresponsible? Are you a libertarian where you want to see all regulations removed and "let the market decide"?

Let the corporations and rich and powerful control us through media like X and Facebook? And do nothing about it? Say nothing about it?

I think USMB and Facebook should delete lies. If it's an obvious lie, call it out and delete it. What's wrong with us?

Why can JD Vance lie so boldly and the media lets him get away with it?

JD Vance’s ‘statistical fact’ on political violence is neither statistical nor a fact​

If White House officials want to debate whether political violence mostly comes from the left or the right, they might not like where this ends up.

“While our side of the aisle certainly has its crazies,” he said, “it is a statistical fact that most of the lunatics in American politics today are proud members of the far left.”

I realize that many Republicans want this to be true. In fact, by some measures, they seem to need it to be true to justify a broader crackdown on the left, which helps explain why Donald Trump has incessantly repeated the claim in recent days.

The morning after Vance’s comments, a reporter asked the president about Utah Gov. Spener Cox’s message emphasizing the importance of nonviolence. “I agree with it 100%,” the president replied, “but most of the violence is on the left.”

The available research from recent years makes clear that right-wing violence has been more dangerous in the U.S. than left-wing violence. As The New York Times’ David Leonhardt explained in 2022, the American right “has a violence problem that has no equivalent on the left.”

JD Vance’s ‘statistical fact’ on political violence is neither statistical nor a fact

If White House officials want to debate whether political violence mostly comes from the left or the right, they might not like where this ends up.

www.msnbc.com

Basically 55% right wingers, 22% the left, 22% islam. Facts. I know you defend the right to lie but you've crossed over into defending the liars.

Again you ramble, you know my views and I am tired of repeating myself. I disagree with you and you disagree with me. Believe what you need I really don’t care. You just defend the left lies and that’s all you got.

 

[Clipper]

There's no real way to know if the flock understands this, but the obvious problem here is "mission creep". Given the attitudes, tactics and behaviors that we have already clearly seen, there is no reason to believe that this administration's definition of "hate speech" will only become more and more loose, and more and more focused on those who don't agree with them.

As always, the flock will say, "I don't see a thing, I just see evil, so this is good". There is no communicating with that.

Well, Trump's lackey in the FCC just had Kimmel sidelined & he's threatened to start pulling licences from broadcaster's who don't play ball.

It started with immigrants & they're going down the list. I give our Democracy at the most a year. If that long.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, Trump's lackey in the FCC just had Kimmel sidelined & he's threatened to start pulling licences from broadcaster's who don't play ball.

It started with immigrants & they're going down the list. I give our Democracy at the most a year. If that long.

Yeah, it's all out in the open now.

And anyone else who might say something publicly is now suitably intimidated.

And the useful idiots cheer a return to 30's Europe.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I hate Pam Bondi. Is that hate speech?

Just boils down to, "Intent".

 

[Mac1958]

It's different when they do it.

I remember being called a racist by several lefties here for defending the right of groups like the KKK to legally assemble and march.

Authoritarianism is what it is. Unfortunately, this time, it's coming from the very top.

 

[sealybobo]

Again you ramble, you know my views and I am tired of repeating myself. I disagree with you and you disagree with me. Believe what you need I really don’t care. You just defend the left lies and that’s all you got.

How about now? Biden administration simply called Facebook and yelled at them. Told them to be socially responsible. They didn't threaten them. They didn't punish them. And Facebook owner said, he'd tell them to **** off next time. So let's start there.

Then let's go into Trump not only threatening, but cancelling people who even dare criticize them. Oh, now it's hate speech. Anything negative towards him, in MAGA world, is hate speech. They are the cause of all our problems. The bucks stops with us.

Notice that? The world is falling apart and Trump is blaming us. We have no power. You are in control Donald. If Biden were in charge, you'd be putting it all on him. Go illegally blow up boats off Venesuela Donald and brag that not even fishermen dare go out on that water and fish. You asshole. No evidence of drugs on those boats. Have the seals swoop in and capture them. Prove there were drugs on those boats. We're just supposed to accept the truth from Donald Trump?

Here is one argument I might swallow. FCC. These are public airwaves the government owns. So I can see a President cancelling any shows that are anti him. Maybe that's your loophole to the assault on the 1st amendment clearly we are seeing here. Jimmy and Stephen can go start podcasts. It's a free country. Just not on the public airwaves.

But notice Trump will even pressure Sirius satellite to cancel Howard Stern. And he has paid subscribers. Lots of us.

Will he get the Daily Show and South Park cancelled? Those are cable channels. He should have less power over those corporations.

So you see? Governments have the responsibility to make sure companies are being socially responsible. Trump is using that to his advantage. In his bizarro world, bad talk about him is hate speech.

You gonna turn us in to our employers for not mourning Charlie as much as you think we should? Too soon? Funny, Kimmel got fired for making fun of Trump's stages of grief. When they asked him if he was torn up and really said Trump said "yea sure, have you seen the new ballroom yet?"

 

[Papageorgio]

How about now? Biden administration simply called Facebook and yelled at them. Told them to be socially responsible. They didn't threaten them. They didn't punish them. And Facebook owner said, he'd tell them to **** off next time. So let's start there.

Then let's go into Trump not only threatening, but cancelling people who even dare criticize them. Oh, now it's hate speech. Anything negative towards him, in MAGA world, is hate speech. They are the cause of all our problems. The bucks stops with us.

Notice that? The world is falling apart and Trump is blaming us. We have no power. You are in control Donald. If Biden were in charge, you'd be putting it all on him. Go illegally blow up boats off Venesuela Donald and brag that not even fishermen dare go out on that water and fish. You asshole. No evidence of drugs on those boats. Have the seals swoop in and capture them. Prove there were drugs on those boats. We're just supposed to accept the truth from Donald Trump?

Here is one argument I might swallow. FCC. These are public airwaves the government owns. So I can see a President cancelling any shows that are anti him. Maybe that's your loophole to the assault on the 1st amendment clearly we are seeing here. Jimmy and Stephen can go start podcasts. It's a free country. Just not on the public airwaves.

But notice Trump will even pressure Sirius satellite to cancel Howard Stern. And he has paid subscribers. Lots of us.

Will he get the Daily Show and South Park cancelled? Those are cable channels. He should have less power over those corporations.

So you see? Governments have the responsibility to make sure companies are being socially responsible. Trump is using that to his advantage. In his bizarro world, bad talk about him is hate speech.

You gonna turn us in to our employers for not mourning Charlie as much as you think we should? Too soon? Funny, Kimmel got fired for making fun of Trump's stages of grief. When they asked him if he was torn up and really said Trump said "yea sure, have you seen the new ballroom yet?"

Again, I am against government intrusion of ANY on our 1st Amendment rights. I have no idea what you arguing with me about, I am more pro 1st Amendment than you! GG, you just wrote eight freaking paragraphs of nonsense for no reason.

 

[Clipper]

Yeah, it's all out in the open now.

And anyone else who might say something publicly is now suitably intimidated.

And the useful idiots cheer a return to 30's Europe.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Trump could get away with it he would do away with Hapeus Corpus & jail those he considers "dissidents" without trial to protect the "state".

I said "if" he could get away with it but with SCOTUS acting the way it is, all bets are off. Every single warning about what he'll do if reelected are coming true.

We are right now living under a dictatorship.

 

[Papageorgio]

I have no doubt in my mind that if Trump could get away with it he would do away with Hapeus Corpus & jail those he considers "dissidents" without trial to protect the "state".

I said "if" he could get away with it but with SCOTUS acting the way it is, all bets are off. Every single warning about what he'll do if reelected are coming true.

We are right now living under a dictatorship.

I have no doubt that the last three presidents believed that.