Trucking companies complain no truckers

[pwjohn]

Why are the socialists to blame ?

Are u mad that there are regs against 1/2 asleep drivers barreling down the highway in semi trucks !?

80% of accidents involving cars and big trucks are caused by the car. Maybe we should start holding car operators to the same standards.

I'd have to say maybe we're not holding truckers to high enough standards.

I'd say you don't know shit about the trucking business.

And I'd say you must be a card carrying member of the deeply stupid society to think that it's ok for truckers to be responsible for so much hamburger on the highway and think that's a good thing.

 

[Syriusly]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Piecework Pay is an economic theory that actually has its roots in Karl Marx (yes, the father of communism). Marx’s idea of “surplus labor” was basically that anytime a worker earns his “keep” - enough money to sustain his family, then any extra work that is done is solely for the profit of the company. The result (according to Marx) was that companies would work people 24/7 if they could for profit. By paying people by the “piece” you would maximize surplus labor, and the company would have a greater profit without shelling out too much money to workers.

Today’s economic ideas of Surplus Labor are a little different, though still rooted in Marx. Surplus Labor today is that anytime someone is standing around doing nothing in the workplace, Labor is “surplus” - cutting into profits, because people are being paid to not produce. All industry has Surplus labor - it’s unavoidable as factory machines break down, power outages still happen, etc. However, companies today seek to minimize surplus labor. This is why there are sometimes “unexplained” layoffs.

Trucking does this perfectly: it eliminates all surplus labor by only paying people when they are producing - when the wheels are moving. It’s Piecework pay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why Drivers Are Paid By The Mile | TruckingTruth Blog

Piecework far predates Marx- Marx may have explained why a Capitalist economy uses piece work- but piece work itself is pure capitalism in action.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Why are the socialists to blame ?

Are u mad that there are regs against 1/2 asleep drivers barreling down the highway in semi trucks !?

80% of accidents involving cars and big trucks are caused by the car. Maybe we should start holding car operators to the same standards.

I'd have to say maybe we're not holding truckers to high enough standards.

I'd say you don't know shit about the trucking business.

And I'd say you must be a card carrying member of the deeply stupid society to think that it's ok for truckers to be responsible for so much hamburger on the highway and think that's a good thing.

That doesn't make a damn bit of sense. The drivers are responsible for their equipment and the safe operation of that equipment. Who else is going to be responsible?

Private motorists are equally responsible for the safe operation of their vehicles. So far, the truck drivers are showing more r4responsibility and professionalism, by a huge margin.

 

[tyroneweaver]

And you can't fudge anymore because a lot of logs are electronic

Indeed. We went to on-board computer log books in 1995 (I believe it was). Funny thing? Our drivers LOVED them.

Im an old fart and don't know that much how they worked. One day a highway patrolman pulled me over and said he couldn't understand my log and was getting all pissy. I told him I really didn't know how they worked either.
Anyway he gave me a ticket for, "inadequate training."
He said this won't cost you any money but it will take points off your driving record.
I never heard of such a thing

Well, the first system we had - each driver had a "card" actually looked like a battery box (?) that they put into the onboard computer. They each had a password (I believe that it was the last 4 of their SSN) and then they would follow the prompts. When the prompt said "pre-trip" you would type in "Yes" so on and so forth. At the end of the night again, you would be prompted with "post-trip" and then you would log off. After a couple of years they went with a voice system.

Electronic logs are the only positive thing I've seen in years. The 30 minute break is bullshit and thank God the abolished the 168 hour rule, but I love, love, love electronic logs. Because when it's quittin' time...it's quittin' time. And there isn't a damn thing anyone is going to say about it.

The electronic log is sure screwing up the fine inflow to the DOT..since it is harder to penalize for mistakes or left out log entries...

The highway patrol, and state troopers don't like electronic logs because it dis-empowers them.

 

[pwjohn]

Why are the socialists to blame ?

Are u mad that there are regs against 1/2 asleep drivers barreling down the highway in semi trucks !?

80% of accidents involving cars and big trucks are caused by the car. Maybe we should start holding car operators to the same standards.

I'd have to say maybe we're not holding truckers to high enough standards.

I'd say you don't know shit about the trucking business.

And I'd say you must be a card carrying member of the deeply stupid society to think that it's ok for truckers to be responsible for so much hamburger on the highway and think that's a good thing.

That doesn't make a damn bit of sense. The drivers are responsible for their equipment and the safe operation of that equipment. Who else is going to be responsible?

Private motorists are equally responsible for the safe operation of their vehicles. So far, the truck drivers are showing more r4responsibility and professionalism, by a huge margin.

Well, you being a trucker, it's understandable that you fail to see the big picture.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

80% of accidents involving cars and big trucks are caused by the car. Maybe we should start holding car operators to the same standards.

I'd have to say maybe we're not holding truckers to high enough standards.

I'd say you don't know shit about the trucking business.

And I'd say you must be a card carrying member of the deeply stupid society to think that it's ok for truckers to be responsible for so much hamburger on the highway and think that's a good thing.

That doesn't make a damn bit of sense. The drivers are responsible for their equipment and the safe operation of that equipment. Who else is going to be responsible?

Private motorists are equally responsible for the safe operation of their vehicles. So far, the truck drivers are showing more r4responsibility and professionalism, by a huge margin.

Well, you being a trucker, it's understandable that you fail to see the big picture.

Not nearly as much as you not being able to make your point.

 

[pwjohn]

I'd have to say maybe we're not holding truckers to high enough standards.

I'd say you don't know shit about the trucking business.

And I'd say you must be a card carrying member of the deeply stupid society to think that it's ok for truckers to be responsible for so much hamburger on the highway and think that's a good thing.

That doesn't make a damn bit of sense. The drivers are responsible for their equipment and the safe operation of that equipment. Who else is going to be responsible?

Private motorists are equally responsible for the safe operation of their vehicles. So far, the truck drivers are showing more r4responsibility and professionalism, by a huge margin.

Well, you being a trucker, it's understandable that you fail to see the big picture.

Not nearly as much as you not being able to make your point.

Oh, I made my point alright ! lol

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I don't see how truckers have been able to cope with all of that overhead that shithead's administration created with his fascist energy policy.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

I'd say you don't know shit about the trucking business.

And I'd say you must be a card carrying member of the deeply stupid society to think that it's ok for truckers to be responsible for so much hamburger on the highway and think that's a good thing.

That doesn't make a damn bit of sense. The drivers are responsible for their equipment and the safe operation of that equipment. Who else is going to be responsible?

Private motorists are equally responsible for the safe operation of their vehicles. So far, the truck drivers are showing more r4responsibility and professionalism, by a huge margin.

Well, you being a trucker, it's understandable that you fail to see the big picture.

Not nearly as much as you not being able to make your point.

Oh, I made my point alright ! lol

If your point is that you don't have a clue, then yes, you did.

 

[pwjohn]

And I'd say you must be a card carrying member of the deeply stupid society to think that it's ok for truckers to be responsible for so much hamburger on the highway and think that's a good thing.

That doesn't make a damn bit of sense. The drivers are responsible for their equipment and the safe operation of that equipment. Who else is going to be responsible?

Private motorists are equally responsible for the safe operation of their vehicles. So far, the truck drivers are showing more r4responsibility and professionalism, by a huge margin.

Well, you being a trucker, it's understandable that you fail to see the big picture.

Not nearly as much as you not being able to make your point.

Oh, I made my point alright ! lol

If your point is that you don't have a clue, then yes, you did.

Now you're just making shit up. You might as well face it, you're in over your head

 

[pwjohn]

I don't see how truckers have been able to cope with all of that overhead that shithead's administration created with his fascist energy policy.

Ultra low Sulphur diesel, along with it's "ultra high price" at the pump became a fact of life back when Bush was president. 1200 bucks just to fill-up...

 

[pwjohn]

Indeed. We went to on-board computer log books in 1995 (I believe it was). Funny thing? Our drivers LOVED them.

Im an old fart and don't know that much how they worked. One day a highway patrolman pulled me over and said he couldn't understand my log and was getting all pissy. I told him I really didn't know how they worked either.
Anyway he gave me a ticket for, "inadequate training."
He said this won't cost you any money but it will take points off your driving record.
I never heard of such a thing

Well, the first system we had - each driver had a "card" actually looked like a battery box (?) that they put into the onboard computer. They each had a password (I believe that it was the last 4 of their SSN) and then they would follow the prompts. When the prompt said "pre-trip" you would type in "Yes" so on and so forth. At the end of the night again, you would be prompted with "post-trip" and then you would log off. After a couple of years they went with a voice system.

Electronic logs are the only positive thing I've seen in years. The 30 minute break is bullshit and thank God the abolished the 168 hour rule, but I love, love, love electronic logs. Because when it's quittin' time...it's quittin' time. And there isn't a damn thing anyone is going to say about it.

The electronic log is sure screwing up the fine inflow to the DOT..since it is harder to penalize for mistakes or left out log entries...

The highway patrol, and state troopers don't like electronic logs because it dis-empowers them.

It's easy enough for a trooper to tag a truck out of service. It doesn't always have to be on the driver to make it happen.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I don't see how truckers have been able to cope with all of that overhead that shithead's administration created with his fascist energy policy.

Ultra low Sulphur diesel, along with it's "ultra high price" at the pump became a fact of life back when Bush was president. 1200 bucks just to fill-up...

Right. Because of expanded demand for energy as a result of Chinese and Indian economic expansion. Bush did something about that. He reversed drilling moratoriums, the larger one which congress eventually agreed to in Oct 2008 was reversed by obama immediately upon taking office and that sent prices soaring again. Bush had to react while obama initiated. Big difference.

 

[pwjohn]

I don't see how truckers have been able to cope with all of that overhead that shithead's administration created with his fascist energy policy.

Ultra low Sulphur diesel, along with it's "ultra high price" at the pump became a fact of life back when Bush was president. 1200 bucks just to fill-up...

Right. Because of expanded demand for energy as a result of Chinese and Indian economic expansion. Bush did something about that. He reversed drilling moratoriums, the larger one which congress eventually agreed to in Oct 2008 was reversed by obama immediately upon taking office and that sent prices soaring again. Bush had to react while obama initiated. Big difference.

Drill, drill, drill became a fact of life pretty much the day Bush took office with worldwide demand being the primary driver. Ultra low sulpher diesel along with it's economy crushing high price became a fact of life back in 2005

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I don't see how truckers have been able to cope with all of that overhead that shithead's administration created with his fascist energy policy.

Ultra low Sulphur diesel, along with it's "ultra high price" at the pump became a fact of life back when Bush was president. 1200 bucks just to fill-up...

Right. Because of expanded demand for energy as a result of Chinese and Indian economic expansion. Bush did something about that. He reversed drilling moratoriums, the larger one which congress eventually agreed to in Oct 2008 was reversed by obama immediately upon taking office and that sent prices soaring again. Bush had to react while obama initiated. Big difference.

Drill, drill, drill became a fact of life pretty much the day Bush took office with worldwide demand being the primary driver. Ultra low sulpher diesel along with it's economy crushing high price became a fact of life back in 2005

Right. But that price was skewed by supply still not keeping up with demand. The green agenda and democrats in congress opposed opening up areas where that demand could be sufficiently satisfied. Once coongress acquiesced, prices dropped. Once obama took office and reversed those developments, prices soared again. Fracking did what promised offshore drilling did, forcing the more recent price drop.