Triumph Of Evil

[NATO AIR]

Perhaps there is a point in every person's life when they recognize something so nightmarish and fundamentally wrong that they see it for what it is: true evil. I would love to believe this is true for others as it has been for me in regards to this tragedy and I pray to God that more Americans will realize this... and soon.

The triumph of evil is upon us. Diplomacy is a smokescreen for continued killing and suffering. The mass murderers are celebrating their victory in isolating the USA and its FEW allies who've declared the terrible crime in Darfur a genocide. America is providing aid and food admirably, but it refuses to use its unparalled military power to stop the slaughter. In reality, this lack of action basically makes our efforts for naught. What we're essentially doing now is giving the unjustly condemned to die (90% of whom are women and children) a last meal, rather than rising to their defense in the name of the very humanity and justice we supposedly believe in.

The EU is giving the mass murderers 2 months to "improve security" or face sanctions. At a 10,000 deaths a month average, that's 20,000 more dead before the EU considers "sanctions".

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=602481&section=news

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/08/60minutes/main648277.shtml

60 minutes finds genocide in Darfur. 90% of the genocide survivors are women and children.

"Fifty thousand people have died so far. ...When we know there are between a million and two million who can yet be saved, what is our excuse for watching this happen in slow motion?"
Samantha Power, 2003 Pulitzer Prize Winner

 

[rtwngAvngr]

We need to pull out of the U.N. and take over the world in the name of humanity right now.

I'm about half serious.

 

[dmp]

What can USMB do about this? And why the fixation on Darfur? This sort of thing is likely happening in other parts of the world too.

 

[NATO AIR]

What can USMB do about this? And why the fixation on Darfur? This sort of thing is likely happening in other parts of the world too.

i dunno, i can only write so many "polite" letters and op-eds every week before i have to say the horrible truth that only a small segment of the population (many on USMB) can comprehend and realize...

i've been posting about this for over 4 months now, and sadly, its gotten literally worse every week, despite the attention its gotten. sadly, there is a lack of will on the part of the world's leaders to take action. and you have idiots like me, who grew up swearing they'd stop genocide as kids, now watching it happen aided and abbetted by the international community's inaction. and we're raising cane about it, but usually preaching to the already converted choir (ALA USMB, i apologize)

i dunno, i guess this is my last thread about it. nobody is going to defend/save them, they're going to die, and as for myself, i'm going to be haunted by it for the rest of my life. i've only heard "no" from the military lord knows how many times when i've asked to go on leave to help in the refugee camps, so i guess this is the best i could do aside from writing and fundraising.

 

[dmp]

i dunno, i can only write so many "polite" letters and op-eds every week before i have to say the horrible truth that only a small segment of the population (many on USMB) can comprehend and realize...

i've been posting about this for over 4 months now, and sadly, its gotten literally worse every week, despite the attention its gotten. sadly, there is a lack of will on the part of the world's leaders to take action. and you have idiots like me, who grew up swearing they'd stop genocide as kids, now watching it happen aided and abbetted by the international community's inaction. and we're raising cane about it, but usually preaching to the already converted choir (ALA USMB, i apologize)

i dunno, i guess this is my last thread about it. nobody is going to defend/save them, they're going to die, and as for myself, i'm going to be haunted by it for the rest of my life. i've only heard "no" from the military lord knows how many times when i've asked to go on leave to help in the refugee camps, so i guess this is the best i could do aside from writing and fundraising.

Unless you are causing it, you've got no business feeling guilt.

 

[dmp]

do you know any of these people?

https://www.atsugi.navy.mil/skywriter/2004/15Oct04/Internet/page 1.jpg

 

[NATO AIR]

Unless you are causing it, you've got no business feeling guilt.

you are right

perhaps not guilt in the long run, but dismay, disgust and disillusionment.

keep thinking there is something more i could do... but i haven't figured that out yet. every near viable option i think of ends in court-martial or serious confinement time when i think it through...so eh, i keep brainstorming.

i guess these are my vent threads. we've hit rock bottom now though.

 

[NATO AIR]

do you know any of these people?

https://www.atsugi.navy.mil/skywriter/2004/15Oct04/Internet/page 1.jpg

ah the navy ball :happy2:

those are shore duty folks i believe. don't anyone but i've seen the HM3 (Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class), the girl on the left of the silk gray tie civilian, around. I think she used to be assigned to VFA-27 (a super hornet squadron now) but got pregnant and shifted to shore duty for the rest of her tenure over here in japan.

 

[5stringJeff]

I think she used to be assigned to VFA-27 (a super hornet squadron now) but got pregnant and shifted to shore duty for the rest of her tenure over here in japan.

That had absolutely nothing to do with my 48-hour trip to Japan... honestly...

 

[Zhukov]

It is one of the fundamental failings of democracies that they do not confront evil until it is almost too late. Democracies aren't motivated by the need to do what is right, they are motivated by what the majority of people agree to do.

I think the first post I made that mentioned the genocide in Sudan was back in May. I don't think even then I thought the world would do anything about it and so far it hasn't, not in any substantive way. The world didn't intervene in Rwanda after all, why would Sudan be any different, I thought. The world is an awful and evil place.

 

[NATO AIR]

It is one of the fundamental failings of democracies that they do not confront evil until it is almost too late. Democracies aren't motivated by the need to do what is right, they are motivated by what the majority of people agree to do.

I think the first post I made that mentioned the genocide in Sudan was back in May. I don't think even then I thought the world would do anything about it and so far it hasn't, not in any substantive way. The world didn't intervene in Rwanda after all, why would Sudan be any different, I thought. The world is an awful and evil place.

you have offically been proven right.

 

[theim]

You know what would happen if we used force to stop the genocide. The shreiks from the Democrats would be earsplitting.

"We rushed to war! We needed to give Diplomacy a chance!"
"Sudan wasn't a threat to us!"
"Who are we to meddle in another country's business?!"

 

[supermarine]

Why Wont People Get It. The Tyrants Rise To Power Is Through The Appeaser. I Am Tired Of This Passifist Bullshit! Why Are We Always Responsable For These Kinds Of Things. Countries Always Blame Us For Not Taking Action, But We Have Our Hands Full, But When We Do Take Action All Hell Breaks Loose. If These Fucking Liberals Actually Call The Albu Garab Prison Incident "atrossities", Then What The Fuck Do You Call These Massacares In Daffur. Atrossities X2? Why Doesnt The World Wake Up. America Cant Do The Shit For Them All The Fucking Time. They Depend On Us For Protection From China, And Completly Take Us For Granted. Why Wont These Socialist Countries Take The Initiative And Destroy These Fucking Tyrants Around The World. We Already Got Our Hands Full. And To You Pesky Snotty Nosed, Commie, Petain Like Fuckhead Liberals, WHY WONT YOU Actually Use Logic! I Am Tired Of Living Among Liberals Who Think That We Are Always The Problem. Somehow Through Lying Some Of The Way, They Manage To Blame Everything On The Usa. Usa This Usa That. The Political Leaders Like PIG FUCKER MICHAEL MOORE SHOULD BE EXILED IF NOT EXECUTED!

 

[NATO AIR]

Why Wont People Get It. The Tyrants Rise To Power Is Through The Appeaser. I Am Tired Of This Passifist Bullshit! Why Are We Always Responsable For These Kinds Of Things. Countries Always Blame Us For Not Taking Action, But We Have Our Hands Full, But When We Do Take Action All Hell Breaks Loose. If These Fucking Liberals Actually Call The Albu Garab Prison Incident "atrossities", Then What The Fuck Do You Call These Massacares In Daffur. Atrossities X2? Why Doesnt The World Wake Up. America Cant Do The Shit For Them All The Fucking Time. They Depend On Us For Protection From China, And Completly Take Us For Granted. Why Wont These Socialist Countries Take The Initiative And Destroy These Fucking Tyrants Around The World. We Already Got Our Hands Full. And To You Pesky Snotty Nosed, Commie, Petain Like Fuckhead Liberals, WHY WONT YOU Actually Use Logic! I Am Tired Of Living Among Liberals Who Think That We Are Always The Problem. Somehow Through Lying Some Of The Way, They Manage To Blame Everything On The Usa. Usa This Usa That. The Political Leaders Like PIG FUCKER MICHAEL MOORE SHOULD BE EXILED IF NOT EXECUTED!

when have any of the other countries in the world ever stood up for justice and peace? where are their bold leaders who stood up to tyrants and terrorists? america has a LEGACY of doing all this, and more. America is SPECIAL & UNIQUE, in fact, as Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan were prone to say, "WE ARE HUMANITY'S LAST, BEST HOPE ON EARTH". If we do not take action to stop genocide, but we recognize it as genocide, what does that make us? We tell the people who are being slaughtered, "we know what's happening and its wrong, but we won't get involved because we're too busy and its not our fight." Does that make sense? Is that right? Is this the kind of world we want to live in, where we stand up to terrorists but we won't stand up to tyrants who terrorize?

It is not America's fault. But it is our legacy, that of the freedom loving nation and people who will give their all to make the world a safer, more peaceful and prosperous place. We did it in WW1 & WW2, the Cold War, Kosovo and Afghanistan. We're doing it in Iraq. Can we please do it in Darfur?

 

[CSM]

when have any of the other countries in the world ever stood up for justice and peace? where are their bold leaders who stood up to tyrants and terrorists? america has a LEGACY of doing all this, and more. America is SPECIAL & UNIQUE, in fact, as Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan were prone to say, "WE ARE HUMANITY'S LAST, BEST HOPE ON EARTH". If we do not take action to stop genocide, but we recognize it as genocide, what does that make us? We tell the people who are being slaughtered, "we know what's happening and its wrong, but we won't get involved because we're too busy and its not our fight." Does that make sense? Is that right? Is this the kind of world we want to live in, where we stand up to terrorists but we won't stand up to tyrants who terrorize?

It is not America's fault. But it is our legacy, that of the freedom loving nation and people who will give their all to make the world a safer, more peaceful and prosperous place. We did it in WW1 & WW2, the Cold War, Kosovo and Afghanistan. We're doing it in Iraq. Can we please do it in Darfur?

I understand what you are saying and agree with you; HOWEVER, every time we get involved in another part of the world we catch hell from both external and internal parties, get slapped really hard for that matter. How many times do you have to slap someone before they change their behavior? I think the US is at about that point.

 

[NATO AIR]

I understand what you are saying and agree with you; HOWEVER, every time we get involved in another part of the world we catch hell from both external and internal parties, get slapped really hard for that matter. How many times do you have to slap someone before they change their behavior? I think the US is at about that point.

as i noted in my other thread last week (why america must remain the world's policeman) we have options to lessen our burden and our problems. we failed to train, influence or assist other nations to be strong and forceful in their respective regions after the cold war. now we're stuck with nations that want to undermine us, nations that would like to support us but really don't have much to offer, and nations that have the will to help or take their own action, but not the means.

we'll always catch hell from internal and external sources. its the price of doing the right thing and making the hard choices. for a long time, america was great because it made the hard choices and did the right thing. for the majority of the 1990's we did not do the right thing and we avoided hard choices. now we're trying to fix that, but it really all starts with darfur. will we allow evil to triumph? will we cast aside our convictions and ignore our power to do good and stand aside? or will we tell the world, defiantly and proudly if needed, that we will not stand idly by as mass murder happens, as terrorists and oppressors gloat and celebrate?

 

[Zhukov]

The United States, as the sole remaining superpower, the only hyperpower, the last, best hope for humanity, finds itself in an especially difficult position.

Do we take care of Darfur ourselves, comfortably reassuring the rest of the world that the United States is still here and they can all go back to sleep, and in so doing relegate ourselves to the derided police force of the world forever?

Or do we withold our help, in all things, for as long as necessary until the rest of the world learns to take care of itself?

I think tough love would be a good thing for a many parts of the world, unfortunately the amount of damage done to the world during our self-imposed absence would probably be irreversible. I doubt the world would respond in time.

So we skate the foreign policy line between intervention and absence, helping here and there, while witholding our help elsewhere, plugging only the holes that leak the most, hoping against reason that maybe someday other countries will begin to see further than the end's of their noses.

In the end we will help in Darfur, eventually, after thousands more have died.

 

[NATO AIR]

true

do you believe we could start being proactive in some cases though? cultivating alliances and partnerships with nations and regions that honestly want to stop war in their areas and promote peace and prosperity?

 

[Zhukov]

Not through the United Nations, and perhaps not even through NATO anymore. Now that the threat of Soviet imperalism is gone the French and Germans feel free to finally let vent all the adolescent animosity they have held for us for saving and protecting them. Animosity composed now of equal parts shame and jealousy.

They will obstruct us in anything we do for no other reason than to obstruct us. It is my belief that a lot of evil could be prevented if only the good nations of the world spoke with one voice. Some countries, out of spite, have shown us that they will not play along.

For our part, we have the money, but we've lost as a nation the will to bear casualties.

One of our best hopes for long term global security, in my opinion, is India. They are a liberal democracy moving rapidly towards modernity. They have a large land mass, reserves of untapped resources, and an enormous population.

Unfortunately because of the situation between them and Pakistan, and our need for Pakistani assistance we've had to tread carefully diplomatically-speaking.

But this administration is cultivating relationships with people who seriously want to help.

It's obvious the Western Europeans aren't particularly interested in helping, but the Eastern Europeans, so recently freed from communist bondage, are and in the future we can expect to see more co-operation between us and former Soviet satellites. They are closer to the middle-east and have burgeoning dynamic economies, as opposed to the decrepit stagnating welfare states to their west.

Our relationship with Japan is strong and Howard was re-elected in Australia, therefore excluding China the strongest Pacific Rim nations are still with us.

Africa needs a continental power, one that is liberal, democratic, and modern (that's something I believe we should have better inculcated Africa with back in the late 1800's; hindsight is 20/20). Until there is a rock where Africans who want peace and prosperity can go, the whole continent will continue to be wracked with wars.

 

[White knight]

we failed to train, influence or assist other nations to be strong and forceful in their respective regions after the cold war.

QUOTE]
I do give the French credit here. During the early phase of Operation Iraqi Freedom, I observed as some of our coalition forces were assembling. Most of the coalition forces were poorly dressed and equipped. They appeared Unfit and undisciplined. If they had been in the U.S. Forces, they would have been thrown out for not meeting physical fitness standards. A French carrier arrived in our AOR. They French have just 3 funny looking carriers by the way. Their crewmembers disembarked and some were actively engaged in P.T. This is the mark of a motivated and disciplined force.
The Frenchies requested fuel…..but were told this fuel was for coalition forces only, which you are not apart of, then they were unkindly asked to make wind.

It not often you find disciplined military’s I get the impression that allot of the worlds forces are slackers, made up of conscripts.