Trey Gowdy: FBI’s Use of Informant for Trump Campaign Was Appropriate

[iceberg]

apparently gowdy was saying if someone in the trump campaign (Papadapa-snufalufakus) was talking about russians having emails, then the investigation was legit. But, as it's been pointed out, the whispers of russians having the emails was actually circulated by the FBI "spies" to begin with, then it wouldn't be.

more and more links are being established that papadapolousanufagus was fed the info he recited in order to setup the ordeal to begin with.

*if* that is true then obama and company needs to go down and make big rocks small rocks for the rest of their lives.

Come on, you are better than this. When you hear your self saying “if” “if” “if” then you know you are stretching. You are being fed narratives from right wing kooks and Trumpsters to cast doubt on the facts. Don’t go down that road. The Dems are doing it with collusion and now the right is doing it with these deep state conspiracies. Don’t play their games.

well given the entire russia connection seems to be an *if* *if *if* - what else can i do?

the dems are doing it cause they lost. i guess this is where i say "don't play those games" as i'm more interested in the integrity of our overall process and where we take it than i am any 1 president.

 

[Slade3200]

not really. so far anything RUSSIA related hasn't proven to be very accurate. we have a meeting in a building behind a closed door is as much as i gather so far.

the real question is that by allowing this in ANY form, the next generation will say "hold my beer" and push it.

and at that point i'm sure the left will shit a herd of bulffalo in anger.

By allowing what? What is it that you are objecting too? Investigating crimes when there is evidence or suspicion of crimes?

putting a "plant" (call it what you will) into the opposite campaign for XYZ reason. we keep hearing NO POLITICAL PURPOSE but come on - look who was in there. do you really think they stuck with only "yes/no" on russia questions?

we also have no concrete evidence of a crime to begin with and the FISA warrants have already been deemed illegal.

It Is Complicated – FISA Court Found FAULT With NSA, FBI, And Obama Of Illegally Spying On Trump Team – MSM Keeps Quiet. – Investment Watch Blog

questionable at best.

so all we need to do is have some emotional tie to a crime and we can now put someone into the opposing camp to watch what they do. if you're ok with this, fine. i'm not. not because i'm defending trump but because i think it's a horrible way of conducting our government in general.

I really can't believe they're going with this. dude, they'd have shit a cow if this had been hitlery. you and I know that. when one is disingenuous, they are always disingenuous.

and this is my core issue. has nothing to do with trump or the election at this point and everything to do with what we'll allow our government to do. our *hate* is allowing some very questionable behavior to be OK'd cause we hate trump.

sooner or later this will be used against someone they like and then what? they said it's ok to put someone into the opposing camp for "non political reasons". now how we can make it "non political" when it's the campaign to run for president i have no idea. seems convenient to me and an easy way out so you don't have to understand the bullshit going on.

so when people believe "it wasn't political" it's because they want to.

dude I agree. It's disingenuous and they are fake. they merely are partisan hacks not caught up in it yet. but they'd be yelling like fking babies if their side had been affected. for them to say otherwise makes them all liars. I know if it happened to them I'd tell them it isn't acceptable. spying is spying and not acceptable against our own nation.

Haha. Partisan hacks aren’t allowed to criticize others for being partisan hacks. Get a mirror and see the hypocrite.

 

[JimH52]

Top Democrat says Obama shares responsibility for Russia's meddling

Oh dear, a top democrat is blaming the Obama administration for ignoring Russian meddling. This crap just has to stop, otherwise, how can we vote straight down party lines?

It's almost as if Obama and company thought Russian meddling was OK......until Trump won the Oval Office?

Hmm. Maybe Obama let it happen to try and use it against Trump knowing Hillary was doomed.

To be honest, I grow weary of all the conspiracy theories on both sides. We know nothing will come of any of it whether they be true of false and we already know both parties are hopelessly corrupt. Some people just like to watch monkeys sling poo.

You are stepping all over yourself. In one breath are are bitching about them investigating the Russians and calling it spying and outrageous... then in the next breath you say they did nothing about the Russians. I realize any narrative that makes Obama or the Dems look bad is attractive to you but try and sort out the logic before you make yourself sound foolish.

You kids are hysterical. How exactly did Putin sway the American vote substantially?

The painful truth is, the below video is why Hillary lost.



Now is your chance to admit that Hillary was the most corrupt and unlikable candidate of our generation.

Russia swamped the blue wall states with fake news stories criticizing Hillary. It was just enough to pull the needed votes for her to win. Putin's Choice won....

 

[Votto]

Top Democrat says Obama shares responsibility for Russia's meddling

Oh dear, a top democrat is blaming the Obama administration for ignoring Russian meddling. This crap just has to stop, otherwise, how can we vote straight down party lines?

It's almost as if Obama and company thought Russian meddling was OK......until Trump won the Oval Office?

Hmm. Maybe Obama let it happen to try and use it against Trump knowing Hillary was doomed.

To be honest, I grow weary of all the conspiracy theories on both sides. We know nothing will come of any of it whether they be true of false and we already know both parties are hopelessly corrupt. Some people just like to watch monkeys sling poo.

You are stepping all over yourself. In one breath are are bitching about them investigating the Russians and calling it spying and outrageous... then in the next breath you say they did nothing about the Russians. I realize any narrative that makes Obama or the Dems look bad is attractive to you but try and sort out the logic before you make yourself sound foolish.

You kids are hysterical. How exactly did Putin sway the American vote substantially?

The painful truth is, the below video is why Hillary lost.



Now is your chance to admit that Hillary was the most corrupt and unlikable candidate of our generation.

Russia swamped the blue wall states with fake news stories criticizing Hillary. It was just enough to pull the needed votes for her to win. Putin's Choice won....

So you are on record as saying that without Putin, Trump loses?

Really?

 

[JimH52]

apparently gowdy was saying if someone in the trump campaign (Papadapa-snufalufakus) was talking about russians having emails, then the investigation was legit. But, as it's been pointed out, the whispers of russians having the emails was actually circulated by the FBI "spies" to begin with, then it wouldn't be.

more and more links are being established that papadapolousanufagus was fed the info he recited in order to setup the ordeal to begin with.

*if* that is true then obama and company needs to go down and make big rocks small rocks for the rest of their lives.

No, that's not what Gowdy is saying. This is what he said:

“I am even more convinced that the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and that it has nothing to do with Donald Drumpf"

so since you quoted it i'm to believe gowdy called him "drumpf".

we'll see how it plays out.

Apologies. I have a browser plug-in that automatically replaces "Trump" with "Drumpf". I've edited my post.

Where can I download that plug in?

 

[JimH52]

Top Democrat says Obama shares responsibility for Russia's meddling

Oh dear, a top democrat is blaming the Obama administration for ignoring Russian meddling. This crap just has to stop, otherwise, how can we vote straight down party lines?

It's almost as if Obama and company thought Russian meddling was OK......until Trump won the Oval Office?

Hmm. Maybe Obama let it happen to try and use it against Trump knowing Hillary was doomed.

To be honest, I grow weary of all the conspiracy theories on both sides. We know nothing will come of any of it whether they be true of false and we already know both parties are hopelessly corrupt. Some people just like to watch monkeys sling poo.

You are stepping all over yourself. In one breath are are bitching about them investigating the Russians and calling it spying and outrageous... then in the next breath you say they did nothing about the Russians. I realize any narrative that makes Obama or the Dems look bad is attractive to you but try and sort out the logic before you make yourself sound foolish.

You kids are hysterical. How exactly did Putin sway the American vote substantially?

The painful truth is, the below video is why Hillary lost.



Now is your chance to admit that Hillary was the most corrupt and unlikable candidate of our generation.

Russia swamped the blue wall states with fake news stories criticizing Hillary. It was just enough to pull the needed votes for her to win. Putin's Choice won....

So you are on record as saying that without Putin, Trump loses?

Really?

Nope....Just telling u what US intelligence said.

 

[iceberg]

Top Democrat says Obama shares responsibility for Russia's meddling

Oh dear, a top democrat is blaming the Obama administration for ignoring Russian meddling. This crap just has to stop, otherwise, how can we vote straight down party lines?

It's almost as if Obama and company thought Russian meddling was OK......until Trump won the Oval Office?

Hmm. Maybe Obama let it happen to try and use it against Trump knowing Hillary was doomed.

To be honest, I grow weary of all the conspiracy theories on both sides. We know nothing will come of any of it whether they be true of false and we already know both parties are hopelessly corrupt. Some people just like to watch monkeys sling poo.

You are stepping all over yourself. In one breath are are bitching about them investigating the Russians and calling it spying and outrageous... then in the next breath you say they did nothing about the Russians. I realize any narrative that makes Obama or the Dems look bad is attractive to you but try and sort out the logic before you make yourself sound foolish.

You kids are hysterical. How exactly did Putin sway the American vote substantially?

The painful truth is, the below video is why Hillary lost.



Now is your chance to admit that Hillary was the most corrupt and unlikable candidate of our generation.

Russia swamped the blue wall states with fake news stories criticizing Hillary. It was just enough to pull the needed votes for her to win. Putin's Choice won....

please link me to the stories, *all of the stories* russia flooded us with.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

apparently gowdy was saying if someone in the trump campaign (Papadapa-snufalufakus) was talking about russians having emails, then the investigation was legit. But, as it's been pointed out, the whispers of russians having the emails was actually circulated by the FBI "spies" to begin with, then it wouldn't be.

more and more links are being established that papadapolousanufagus was fed the info he recited in order to setup the ordeal to begin with.

*if* that is true then obama and company needs to go down and make big rocks small rocks for the rest of their lives.

No, that's not what Gowdy is saying. This is what he said:

“I am even more convinced that the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and that it has nothing to do with Donald Drumpf"

so since you quoted it i'm to believe gowdy called him "drumpf".

we'll see how it plays out.

Apologies. I have a browser plug-in that automatically replaces "Trump" with "Drumpf". I've edited my post.

Where can I download that plug in?

I don't know if it's still available. It was a promotional thing for Last Week Tonight with John Oliver last year.

It automatically translates "Trump" to "Drumpf", and the phrase "Make America Great Again" to "Make Donald Drumpf Again".

 

[Slade3200]

By allowing what? What is it that you are objecting too? Investigating crimes when there is evidence or suspicion of crimes?

putting a "plant" (call it what you will) into the opposite campaign for XYZ reason. we keep hearing NO POLITICAL PURPOSE but come on - look who was in there. do you really think they stuck with only "yes/no" on russia questions?

we also have no concrete evidence of a crime to begin with and the FISA warrants have already been deemed illegal.

It Is Complicated – FISA Court Found FAULT With NSA, FBI, And Obama Of Illegally Spying On Trump Team – MSM Keeps Quiet. – Investment Watch Blog

questionable at best.

so all we need to do is have some emotional tie to a crime and we can now put someone into the opposing camp to watch what they do. if you're ok with this, fine. i'm not. not because i'm defending trump but because i think it's a horrible way of conducting our government in general.

Name one credible person who has seen the intel who denies Russia’s illegal actions and involvement with the election. Cause I can name many who support that claim including Pompeo who was Trumps appointed director of the CIA. All the other Trump appointed directors agree as well so how can you deny that there were crimes taking place?

You also have no evidence of politicalization of the investigation from this so called spy. We didn’t hear anything about this during the election. Know what we did hear all about? The Clinton investigation. Talk about playing politics. You wisely said yourself that after hearing Treys take you need to rethink. That’s a good idea. It isn’t just the MSM that pumps out spin and propaganda. The Trumpsters and right wing media are distorting the shit out of this situation and none of it is backed up by facts.

what actions did they specifically take?

let me start there.

How about the topic of this thread... they opened a counter intelligence investigation

yea, sooner or later we need to stop politics by investigations.

I agree but this wasn’t a political investigation. It was covert which is why we weren’t seeing hearings and pressers about it every day. The Benghazi and even these collusion investigations are way over politicized and I agree we need to stop governing this way.

Also remember who rallied thousands of people to chant “lock her up” we have a leader now who tries and criminalize his opposers and millions of people out there that slurp it up. I fear this is all going to get much much worse

 

[JimH52]

putting a "plant" (call it what you will) into the opposite campaign for XYZ reason. we keep hearing NO POLITICAL PURPOSE but come on - look who was in there. do you really think they stuck with only "yes/no" on russia questions?

we also have no concrete evidence of a crime to begin with and the FISA warrants have already been deemed illegal.

It Is Complicated – FISA Court Found FAULT With NSA, FBI, And Obama Of Illegally Spying On Trump Team – MSM Keeps Quiet. – Investment Watch Blog

questionable at best.

so all we need to do is have some emotional tie to a crime and we can now put someone into the opposing camp to watch what they do. if you're ok with this, fine. i'm not. not because i'm defending trump but because i think it's a horrible way of conducting our government in general.

Name one credible person who has seen the intel who denies Russia’s illegal actions and involvement with the election. Cause I can name many who support that claim including Pompeo who was Trumps appointed director of the CIA. All the other Trump appointed directors agree as well so how can you deny that there were crimes taking place?

You also have no evidence of politicalization of the investigation from this so called spy. We didn’t hear anything about this during the election. Know what we did hear all about? The Clinton investigation. Talk about playing politics. You wisely said yourself that after hearing Treys take you need to rethink. That’s a good idea. It isn’t just the MSM that pumps out spin and propaganda. The Trumpsters and right wing media are distorting the shit out of this situation and none of it is backed up by facts.

what actions did they specifically take?

let me start there.

How about the topic of this thread... they opened a counter intelligence investigation

yea, sooner or later we need to stop politics by investigations.

I agree but this wasn’t a political investigation. It was covert which is why we weren’t seeing hearings and pressers about it every day. The Benghazi and even these collusion investigations are way over politicized and I agree we need to stop governing this way.

Also remember who rallied thousands of people to chant “lock her up” we have a leader now who tries and criminalize his opposers and millions of people out there that slurp it up. I fear this is all going to get much much worse

Until now....our presidents actually tried to unite people and they had a certain degree of credibility. That is no longer true....

 

[iceberg]

putting a "plant" (call it what you will) into the opposite campaign for XYZ reason. we keep hearing NO POLITICAL PURPOSE but come on - look who was in there. do you really think they stuck with only "yes/no" on russia questions?

we also have no concrete evidence of a crime to begin with and the FISA warrants have already been deemed illegal.

It Is Complicated – FISA Court Found FAULT With NSA, FBI, And Obama Of Illegally Spying On Trump Team – MSM Keeps Quiet. – Investment Watch Blog

questionable at best.

so all we need to do is have some emotional tie to a crime and we can now put someone into the opposing camp to watch what they do. if you're ok with this, fine. i'm not. not because i'm defending trump but because i think it's a horrible way of conducting our government in general.

Name one credible person who has seen the intel who denies Russia’s illegal actions and involvement with the election. Cause I can name many who support that claim including Pompeo who was Trumps appointed director of the CIA. All the other Trump appointed directors agree as well so how can you deny that there were crimes taking place?

You also have no evidence of politicalization of the investigation from this so called spy. We didn’t hear anything about this during the election. Know what we did hear all about? The Clinton investigation. Talk about playing politics. You wisely said yourself that after hearing Treys take you need to rethink. That’s a good idea. It isn’t just the MSM that pumps out spin and propaganda. The Trumpsters and right wing media are distorting the shit out of this situation and none of it is backed up by facts.

what actions did they specifically take?

let me start there.

How about the topic of this thread... they opened a counter intelligence investigation

yea, sooner or later we need to stop politics by investigations.

I agree but this wasn’t a political investigation. It was covert which is why we weren’t seeing hearings and pressers about it every day. The Benghazi and even these collusion investigations are way over politicized and I agree we need to stop governing this way.

Also remember who rallied thousands of people to chant “lock her up” we have a leader now who tries and criminalize his opposers and millions of people out there that slurp it up. I fear this is all going to get much much worse

it will. as long as we allow one side to slide on adhering to laws and go after the other, it only goes downhill for all.

i do think hillary was guilty as hell. but it was never proven so move on. lock her up was trump rallying the base and pure political.

i think a lot of people on both sides needs to be in jail for life - period. but i think most are going to get away with it cause of the overall "room to move" we've given ourselves in order to go after those we hate.

again - russia jacks with us all the time. this was nowhere near the only time they ever did it. trump knowing people in russia, even high ranking people, doesn't make him guilty by association anymore than it would have for hillary - which it would seem the left never got into going after her.

the only thing that makes THIS TIME different is the democrats lost and needed a reason why and the founders of identity politics dove in and rode that pony into the ground.

"covert operations" against the other party.

sounds much like a nixon suggestion.

 

[Slade3200]

By allowing what? What is it that you are objecting too? Investigating crimes when there is evidence or suspicion of crimes?

putting a "plant" (call it what you will) into the opposite campaign for XYZ reason. we keep hearing NO POLITICAL PURPOSE but come on - look who was in there. do you really think they stuck with only "yes/no" on russia questions?

we also have no concrete evidence of a crime to begin with and the FISA warrants have already been deemed illegal.

It Is Complicated – FISA Court Found FAULT With NSA, FBI, And Obama Of Illegally Spying On Trump Team – MSM Keeps Quiet. – Investment Watch Blog

questionable at best.

so all we need to do is have some emotional tie to a crime and we can now put someone into the opposing camp to watch what they do. if you're ok with this, fine. i'm not. not because i'm defending trump but because i think it's a horrible way of conducting our government in general.

I really can't believe they're going with this. dude, they'd have shit a cow if this had been hitlery. you and I know that. when one is disingenuous, they are always disingenuous.

and this is my core issue. has nothing to do with trump or the election at this point and everything to do with what we'll allow our government to do. our *hate* is allowing some very questionable behavior to be OK'd cause we hate trump.

sooner or later this will be used against someone they like and then what? they said it's ok to put someone into the opposing camp for "non political reasons". now how we can make it "non political" when it's the campaign to run for president i have no idea. seems convenient to me and an easy way out so you don't have to understand the bullshit going on.

so when people believe "it wasn't political" it's because they want to.

They didn’t just put somebody there for the hell of it. They were acting on intel gathered during a counterintelligence active investigation. It takes many eyeballs to get all that going. Not just obama sending a spy over to infiltrate trump

and some backtalk (agreed it's not mainstream yet but it's not as if mainstream media is very honest in this to begin with) is that the FBI fed papawhatever the info he then said while drunk in a bar to the FBI - if this is the case it's a complete setup.

if not, we'll see where it goes.

why are you buying into the “backtalk”? Spygate is backtalk and it’s bullshit. Every week trump releases some unsubstantiated “backtalk” that his followers eat up. Just think for a minute. Trump knows exactly what he is doing when he tweets these conspiracy theory fire starters. Y’all are being played.

 

[Votto]

Name one credible person who has seen the intel who denies Russia’s illegal actions and involvement with the election. Cause I can name many who support that claim including Pompeo who was Trumps appointed director of the CIA. All the other Trump appointed directors agree as well so how can you deny that there were crimes taking place?

You also have no evidence of politicalization of the investigation from this so called spy. We didn’t hear anything about this during the election. Know what we did hear all about? The Clinton investigation. Talk about playing politics. You wisely said yourself that after hearing Treys take you need to rethink. That’s a good idea. It isn’t just the MSM that pumps out spin and propaganda. The Trumpsters and right wing media are distorting the shit out of this situation and none of it is backed up by facts.

what actions did they specifically take?

let me start there.

How about the topic of this thread... they opened a counter intelligence investigation

yea, sooner or later we need to stop politics by investigations.

I agree but this wasn’t a political investigation. It was covert which is why we weren’t seeing hearings and pressers about it every day. The Benghazi and even these collusion investigations are way over politicized and I agree we need to stop governing this way.

Also remember who rallied thousands of people to chant “lock her up” we have a leader now who tries and criminalize his opposers and millions of people out there that slurp it up. I fear this is all going to get much much worse

Until now....our presidents actually tried to unite people and they had a certain degree of credibility. That is no longer true....

Who tried to unite the deplorables with the rest of the nation?

And what about the Christians who cling to their guns and Bibles?

 

[iceberg]

putting a "plant" (call it what you will) into the opposite campaign for XYZ reason. we keep hearing NO POLITICAL PURPOSE but come on - look who was in there. do you really think they stuck with only "yes/no" on russia questions?

we also have no concrete evidence of a crime to begin with and the FISA warrants have already been deemed illegal.

It Is Complicated – FISA Court Found FAULT With NSA, FBI, And Obama Of Illegally Spying On Trump Team – MSM Keeps Quiet. – Investment Watch Blog

questionable at best.

so all we need to do is have some emotional tie to a crime and we can now put someone into the opposing camp to watch what they do. if you're ok with this, fine. i'm not. not because i'm defending trump but because i think it's a horrible way of conducting our government in general.

I really can't believe they're going with this. dude, they'd have shit a cow if this had been hitlery. you and I know that. when one is disingenuous, they are always disingenuous.

and this is my core issue. has nothing to do with trump or the election at this point and everything to do with what we'll allow our government to do. our *hate* is allowing some very questionable behavior to be OK'd cause we hate trump.

sooner or later this will be used against someone they like and then what? they said it's ok to put someone into the opposing camp for "non political reasons". now how we can make it "non political" when it's the campaign to run for president i have no idea. seems convenient to me and an easy way out so you don't have to understand the bullshit going on.

so when people believe "it wasn't political" it's because they want to.

They didn’t just put somebody there for the hell of it. They were acting on intel gathered during a counterintelligence active investigation. It takes many eyeballs to get all that going. Not just obama sending a spy over to infiltrate trump

and some backtalk (agreed it's not mainstream yet but it's not as if mainstream media is very honest in this to begin with) is that the FBI fed papawhatever the info he then said while drunk in a bar to the FBI - if this is the case it's a complete setup.

if not, we'll see where it goes.

why are you buying into the “backtalk”? Spygate is backtalk and it’s bullshit. Every week trump releases some unsubstantiated “backtalk” that his followers eat up. Just think for a minute. Trump knows exactly what he is doing when he tweets these conspiracy theory fire starters. Y’all are being played.

i don't listen to trump much. he gets on my nerves.

every week the left says why this is justified and the left eats it up and spits it out. i mean first it was WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN TRUMPS CAMP AND NEVER DID!!!!

then suddenly it went to "well we did but it wasn't political".

uh huh. sorry, that dog ain't hunting here.

 

[iceberg]

Name one credible person who has seen the intel who denies Russia’s illegal actions and involvement with the election. Cause I can name many who support that claim including Pompeo who was Trumps appointed director of the CIA. All the other Trump appointed directors agree as well so how can you deny that there were crimes taking place?

You also have no evidence of politicalization of the investigation from this so called spy. We didn’t hear anything about this during the election. Know what we did hear all about? The Clinton investigation. Talk about playing politics. You wisely said yourself that after hearing Treys take you need to rethink. That’s a good idea. It isn’t just the MSM that pumps out spin and propaganda. The Trumpsters and right wing media are distorting the shit out of this situation and none of it is backed up by facts.

what actions did they specifically take?

let me start there.

How about the topic of this thread... they opened a counter intelligence investigation

yea, sooner or later we need to stop politics by investigations.

I agree but this wasn’t a political investigation. It was covert which is why we weren’t seeing hearings and pressers about it every day. The Benghazi and even these collusion investigations are way over politicized and I agree we need to stop governing this way.

Also remember who rallied thousands of people to chant “lock her up” we have a leader now who tries and criminalize his opposers and millions of people out there that slurp it up. I fear this is all going to get much much worse

Until now....our presidents actually tried to unite people and they had a certain degree of credibility. That is no longer true....

obama was NOT a uniter. he was busy forcing the liberal agenda on people and using EO's as law.

 

[Slade3200]

Name one credible person who has seen the intel who denies Russia’s illegal actions and involvement with the election. Cause I can name many who support that claim including Pompeo who was Trumps appointed director of the CIA. All the other Trump appointed directors agree as well so how can you deny that there were crimes taking place?

You also have no evidence of politicalization of the investigation from this so called spy. We didn’t hear anything about this during the election. Know what we did hear all about? The Clinton investigation. Talk about playing politics. You wisely said yourself that after hearing Treys take you need to rethink. That’s a good idea. It isn’t just the MSM that pumps out spin and propaganda. The Trumpsters and right wing media are distorting the shit out of this situation and none of it is backed up by facts.

what actions did they specifically take?

let me start there.

How about the topic of this thread... they opened a counter intelligence investigation

yea, sooner or later we need to stop politics by investigations.

I agree but this wasn’t a political investigation. It was covert which is why we weren’t seeing hearings and pressers about it every day. The Benghazi and even these collusion investigations are way over politicized and I agree we need to stop governing this way.

Also remember who rallied thousands of people to chant “lock her up” we have a leader now who tries and criminalize his opposers and millions of people out there that slurp it up. I fear this is all going to get much much worse

it will. as long as we allow one side to slide on adhering to laws and go after the other, it only goes downhill for all.

i do think hillary was guilty as hell. but it was never proven so move on. lock her up was trump rallying the base and pure political.

i think a lot of people on both sides needs to be in jail for life - period. but i think most are going to get away with it cause of the overall "room to move" we've given ourselves in order to go after those we hate.

again - russia jacks with us all the time. this was nowhere near the only time they ever did it. trump knowing people in russia, even high ranking people, doesn't make him guilty by association anymore than it would have for hillary - which it would seem the left never got into going after her.

the only thing that makes THIS TIME different is the democrats lost and needed a reason why and the founders of identity politics dove in and rode that pony into the ground.

"covert operations" against the other party.

sounds much like a nixon suggestion.

You are parroting talking points again instead of giving honest analysis of the facts. This investigation we are talking about in this thread was ongoing before the election. So it is not made up by the Dems because they lost. It has been and still is a real thing. Yes it is being grossly over politicized by many on the left and yes many are jumping to conclusions before the facts have been revealed. But that doesn’t mean that the whole thing is made up and political. This spygate thing is a perfect example. The right finds a narrative that will discredit their opposers and they run with it, but it’s all based on assumptions. Nunes puts up a fuss then gets access to the intel and low n behold, it wasn’t a deep state spy conspiracy but it was a counter intel op justified by evidence... unless you think Gowdy is lying.

Trump doesn’t care, he manipulated the news cycle for a week and will now make up a new nugget for the pigeons to chase after. It’s so transparent.

 

[Slade3200]

I really can't believe they're going with this. dude, they'd have shit a cow if this had been hitlery. you and I know that. when one is disingenuous, they are always disingenuous.

and this is my core issue. has nothing to do with trump or the election at this point and everything to do with what we'll allow our government to do. our *hate* is allowing some very questionable behavior to be OK'd cause we hate trump.

sooner or later this will be used against someone they like and then what? they said it's ok to put someone into the opposing camp for "non political reasons". now how we can make it "non political" when it's the campaign to run for president i have no idea. seems convenient to me and an easy way out so you don't have to understand the bullshit going on.

so when people believe "it wasn't political" it's because they want to.

They didn’t just put somebody there for the hell of it. They were acting on intel gathered during a counterintelligence active investigation. It takes many eyeballs to get all that going. Not just obama sending a spy over to infiltrate trump

and some backtalk (agreed it's not mainstream yet but it's not as if mainstream media is very honest in this to begin with) is that the FBI fed papawhatever the info he then said while drunk in a bar to the FBI - if this is the case it's a complete setup.

if not, we'll see where it goes.

why are you buying into the “backtalk”? Spygate is backtalk and it’s bullshit. Every week trump releases some unsubstantiated “backtalk” that his followers eat up. Just think for a minute. Trump knows exactly what he is doing when he tweets these conspiracy theory fire starters. Y’all are being played.

i don't listen to trump much. he gets on my nerves.

every week the left says why this is justified and the left eats it up and spits it out. i mean first it was WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN TRUMPS CAMP AND NEVER DID!!!!

then suddenly it went to "well we did but it wasn't political".

uh huh. sorry, that dog ain't hunting here.

Who said that first quote and what question was he/she responding too?

 

[iceberg]

what actions did they specifically take?

let me start there.

How about the topic of this thread... they opened a counter intelligence investigation

yea, sooner or later we need to stop politics by investigations.

I agree but this wasn’t a political investigation. It was covert which is why we weren’t seeing hearings and pressers about it every day. The Benghazi and even these collusion investigations are way over politicized and I agree we need to stop governing this way.

Also remember who rallied thousands of people to chant “lock her up” we have a leader now who tries and criminalize his opposers and millions of people out there that slurp it up. I fear this is all going to get much much worse

it will. as long as we allow one side to slide on adhering to laws and go after the other, it only goes downhill for all.

i do think hillary was guilty as hell. but it was never proven so move on. lock her up was trump rallying the base and pure political.

i think a lot of people on both sides needs to be in jail for life - period. but i think most are going to get away with it cause of the overall "room to move" we've given ourselves in order to go after those we hate.

again - russia jacks with us all the time. this was nowhere near the only time they ever did it. trump knowing people in russia, even high ranking people, doesn't make him guilty by association anymore than it would have for hillary - which it would seem the left never got into going after her.

the only thing that makes THIS TIME different is the democrats lost and needed a reason why and the founders of identity politics dove in and rode that pony into the ground.

"covert operations" against the other party.

sounds much like a nixon suggestion.

You are parroting talking points again instead of giving honest analysis of the facts. This investigation we are talking about in this thread was ongoing before the election. So it is not made up by the Dems because they lost. It has been and still is a real thing. Yes it is being grossly over politicized by many on the left and yes many are jumping to conclusions before the facts have been revealed. But that doesn’t mean that the whole thing is made up and political. This spygate thing is a perfect example. The right finds a narrative that will discredit their opposers and they run with it, but it’s all based on assumptions. Nunes puts up a fuss then gets access to the intel and low n behold, it wasn’t a deep state spy conspiracy but it was a counter intel op justified by evidence... unless you think Gowdy is lying.

Trump doesn’t care, he manipulated the news cycle for a week and will now make up a new nugget for the pigeons to chase after. It’s so transparent.

maybe it is transparent. but to me, i see the transparency working against all this. i'm not defending trump. not by a long shot. in fact, it honestly has nothing to do with trump but much more to do with what we will allow our government to do.

i have not looked yet but has ANY OTHER ELECTION has one party investigate crimes of the other "while" the election was going on?

 

[iceberg]

and this is my core issue. has nothing to do with trump or the election at this point and everything to do with what we'll allow our government to do. our *hate* is allowing some very questionable behavior to be OK'd cause we hate trump.

sooner or later this will be used against someone they like and then what? they said it's ok to put someone into the opposing camp for "non political reasons". now how we can make it "non political" when it's the campaign to run for president i have no idea. seems convenient to me and an easy way out so you don't have to understand the bullshit going on.

so when people believe "it wasn't political" it's because they want to.

They didn’t just put somebody there for the hell of it. They were acting on intel gathered during a counterintelligence active investigation. It takes many eyeballs to get all that going. Not just obama sending a spy over to infiltrate trump

and some backtalk (agreed it's not mainstream yet but it's not as if mainstream media is very honest in this to begin with) is that the FBI fed papawhatever the info he then said while drunk in a bar to the FBI - if this is the case it's a complete setup.

if not, we'll see where it goes.

why are you buying into the “backtalk”? Spygate is backtalk and it’s bullshit. Every week trump releases some unsubstantiated “backtalk” that his followers eat up. Just think for a minute. Trump knows exactly what he is doing when he tweets these conspiracy theory fire starters. Y’all are being played.

i don't listen to trump much. he gets on my nerves.

every week the left says why this is justified and the left eats it up and spits it out. i mean first it was WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN TRUMPS CAMP AND NEVER DID!!!!

then suddenly it went to "well we did but it wasn't political".

uh huh. sorry, that dog ain't hunting here.

Who said that first quote and what question was he/she responding too?

basic sequence of events in how at first the media / the left was saying no one was spying on trump or even in his camp. when that could no longer be denied, it became "but it was warranted".

you're running a risky game in a time of identity politics to allow one side to determine what is "legal" to play against the other side. why am i to believe the left when they say they're on the up and up and trump is the guilty one just cause they don't like trump - as i see it for the most part.

again, i ask - what exactly did trump do to warrant the investigation to begin with? if you answered that i missed it along the way.

 

[Slade3200]

what actions did they specifically take?

let me start there.

How about the topic of this thread... they opened a counter intelligence investigation

yea, sooner or later we need to stop politics by investigations.

I agree but this wasn’t a political investigation. It was covert which is why we weren’t seeing hearings and pressers about it every day. The Benghazi and even these collusion investigations are way over politicized and I agree we need to stop governing this way.

Also remember who rallied thousands of people to chant “lock her up” we have a leader now who tries and criminalize his opposers and millions of people out there that slurp it up. I fear this is all going to get much much worse

Until now....our presidents actually tried to unite people and they had a certain degree of credibility. That is no longer true....

obama was NOT a uniter. he was busy forcing the liberal agenda on people and using EO's as law.

Obama pushed his agenda through tremendous political opposition. That doesn’t make him divisive. Every elected leader is going to push their agenda. But he spoke with respect and thoughtfulness as a leader should. Trump gets up there and tells everybody who opposes him to fuck off or he calls them criminals. It’s schoolyard and sad that so many want that kind of stuff from our leader. Our country isn’t a trailer park we are better than that.