Transgender attacker chose this school based on its lack of security...had another location but too much security....

[2aguy]

As we find from the statements and writings of mass public shooters, they choose gun free zones as their targets because they are not looking for a gun fight, they are looking to murder innocent......unarmed....victims......

Police said the suspect’s writings revealed she planned to hit another location but was deterred by “too much security.”

Transgender Shooter Kills Six At Nashville Christian School

Audrey Hale’s shooting rampage occurred mere days ahead of a 'Day of Vengeance' hosted by transgender activists.

thefederalist.com

 

[2aguy]

More on gun free zones and mass public shooters...

New York Mass Public Shooter Explicitly targeted: “areas where CCW are outlawed or prohibited may be good areas of attack” “areas with strict gun laws are also great places of attack,” Another Socialist/Environmentalist​

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The El Paso environmentalist/socialist/racist shooter also discussed doing an attack in a place where others wouldn’t be able to stop the attack:

“Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Don’t attack heavily guarded areas to fulfill your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security targets. Even though you might out gun a security guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor, training and numbers. Do not throw away your life on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day.”

New York Mass Public Shooter Explicitly targeted: “areas where CCW are outlawed or prohibited may be good areas of attack” “areas with strict gun laws are also great places of attack,” Another Socialist/Environmentalist


10/26/19

Mass Shootings in Gun-Free Zones - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

According to ABC News, El Paso law enforcement officials advise that, moments before his killing rampage, the shooter cased the Walmart “looking for Mexicans.” While that may be so, it is nevertheless true that, consistent with his “manifesto,” his recon was also calculated to make sure that he would be attacking in a low-security area. In that regard, the Walmart store had no armed security guard, no police presence, and was located in a shopping mall that was a self-proclaimed “gun-free zone.”
Similarly, in the Dayton, Ohio, mass shooting on Sunday, which immediately followed the El Paso murders, the victims were attacked as they exited a nightspot that was a gun-free zone.
And, in the Garlic Festival shootings in Gilroy, California last week, the victims were trapped inside a fenced area after going through metal detectors to make sure that they were disarmed. The shooter avoided the metal detectors by cutting through the fence and then attacking a victim pool that the Gilroy authorities had rendered incapable of defending themselves.
So it is that these most recent massacres share the one common element of almost all mass casualty shootings: gun-free zones.In addition to the El Paso shooter’s “manifesto,” there is abundant anecdotal evidence that mass casualty shooters prefer gun-free zones. For example, in 2016, Dearborn Heights, Michigan, ISIS supporter Khalil Abu Rayyan had an online discussion with an undercover FBI agent in which he discussed his plan for a “martyrdom operation” by attacking a Detroit church. He told the agent that this would be an easy target because “people are not allowed to carry guns in church.” Fortunately, Abu Rayyan was arrested before he could achieve martyrdom.
Similarly, in 2015, Elliot Rodger murdered six people in a Santa Barbara, California, gun-free zone. In his 141-page “manifesto,” he explained that in planning his attack he had decided against launching it in other locations where someone with a gun might be present to cut short his killing spree.
In the 2012 Aurora, Colorado, theater massacre, the killer’s diary showed that he had decided against attacking an airport because of its “substantial security.” And, out of the seven movie theaters within 20 minutes of the shooter’s home, he chose the only one that had posted signs declaring it to be a gun-free zone.
Given this record, anyone concerned with eliminating — or at least substantially reducing — mass public shootings must ask whether or not gun-free zones pose a danger to the public by attracting killers who prefer an unarmed victim pool and should give serious consideration to the following propositions:



3/3-/18

Orlando, Pulse Night club shooter wanted to attack Disney land

Pulse shooter's initial target was Disney site, prosecutors say


Prosecutors say the Orlando nightclub shooter intended to attack Disney World’s shopping and entertainment complex by hiding a gun in a stroller but became spooked by police and chose the gay club as his target.
3/5/18
https://www.nationalreview.com/blog/corner/profile-of-a-school-shooter/

The second thing: The shooter reveals that he thought seriously about whether his target would be a “gun free zone.” I mention this not to endorse any particular policy, but to make it clear that it is by no means rare for those who would do harm to first scope out their destinations and to make sure that they won’t encounter much resistance. The shooter openly explains that he chose the local elementary school, rather than the school he was really angry with (his own), because it lacked an armed guard. He also admits to having researched how long it took cops to respond in the area (15 minutes), and how long it would be before SWAT was on site (45 minutes). This echoes comments made by the shooter at Isla Vista, who considered carrying out his attack on Halloween, but decided against it because there’d be “too many cops walking around during an event like Halloween, and cops are the only ones who can hinder my plans.”

The actual story linked above...

“I HAVE TO BEAT **** **** . .” he wrote nine days before the Sept. 28, 2016, shooting in a misspelled reference to the Sandy Hook killer,**** ****. “Atleast 40.”

Two days later, he debated whether he should attack his middle school, from which he’d been expelled, or his elementary school, just up the road.

He decided on Townville Elementary because it was closer and had no armed security.


“Itll be like shooting fish in a barrel,” he wrote his friends, whose identities remain unclear, along with whether the FBI has tracked any of them down. The agency declined to comment, citing Jesse’s open case.

In the chat, he said he had researched police response times for the area and found that it would take them 15 minutes to get there, maybe 45 for SWAT. He said he would throw pipe bombs into each classroom before he got in a shootout with police and killed himself with his shotgun. He said he had been planning a massacre for two years.

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The Colorado theater shooter evidence...

Did Colorado shooter single out Cinemark theater because it banned guns?

Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned. In Colorado, individuals with permits can carry concealed handgun in most malls, stores, movie theaters, and restaurants. But private businesses can determine whether permit holders can carry guns on their private property.
Most movie theaters allow permit holders carrying guns. But the Cinemark movie theater was the only one with a sign posted at the theater’s entrance.
A simple web search and some telephone calls reveal how easily one can find out how Cinemark compared to other movie theaters. According to mapquest.com and movies.com, there were seven movie theaters showing "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20th within 20 minutes of the killer’s apartment at 1690 Paris St, Aurora, Colorado. At 4 miles and an 8-minute car ride, the Cinemark’s Century Theater wasn't the closest. Another theater was only 1.2 miles (3 minutes) away.
There was also a theater just slightly further away, 10 minutes. It is the "home of Colorado's largest auditorium," according to their movie hotline greeting message. The potentially huge audience ought to have been attractive to someone trying to kill as many people as possible. Four other theaters were 18 minutes, two at 19 minutes, and 20 minutes away. But all of those theaters allowed permitted concealed handguns.
So why would a mass shooter pick a place that bans guns? The answer should be obvious, though it apparently is not clear to the media – disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks


FBI: Dearborn Heights ISIS supporter planned to attack Detroit church

In conversation's between Abu-Rayyan and the undercover agent, Abu-Rayyan described his desire to commit a martyrdom operation.

The complaint filed in federal court doesn’t specify which Detroit church he was allegedly planning to attack, only that it was close and could seat 6,000 members.

The complaint quotes Abu-Rayyan saying:

“It's easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news. Everybody would've heard. Honestly I regret not doing it. If I can't do jihad in the Middle East, I would do my jihad over here."

He had also told the undercover agent that a church would be an easy target because people are not allowed to carry guns there and that it would make the news.

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Minnesota…...

Minnesota teen made bombs, stockpiled guns in prep for school massacre: police

The unhinged teen told cops, after being busted Tuesday, that he planned to shoot his sister, mom and dad with a .22-caliber rifle before he went to a rural field and set a fire to distract cops.
The 11th-grader then said he planned to go to Waseca Junior and Senior High School where he would toss Molotov cocktails and explode pressure-cooker bombs to try and kill “as many students as he could” in the cafeteria during lunchtime.
About 1,000 students, in 7th through 12th grade, attend the school.
LaDue, according to the notebook of his plan, would kill the school resource officer before continuing to kill other students. He was prepared to be gunned down by a SWAT Team, police said.


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Vince Vaughn is right about guns (and was brave to be so honest) | Fox News

Last June, Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in Santa Barbara, Calif., explained his own choice. In his 141-page “Manifesto,” Rodger turned down alternate targets because he worried that someone with a gun would cut short his killing spree.

That same month, Justin Bourque shot to death three people in Canada. His Facebook page made fun of gun bans, with pictures of defenseless victims explaining to killers that they weren’t allowed to have guns.

The diary of the Aurora, Colorado, “Batman” movie theater killer, James Holmes, was finally released this past week. It was clear that he was considering both attacking an airport and a movie theater, but he turned down the airport option because he was concerned about their “substantial security.”

Of course, there are numerous other examples such as the Columbine killersopposing the concealed carry law that was then working its way through the state legislature. The bill would have allowed people to carry permitted concealed handguns on school property. The killers timed their attack for the very day that final passage of the law was planned for in the legislature.

If you go to the link for the Colorado theater shooter they have a photo of his journal where he has notes about airports…..he lists one of the items…."Substantial Security"

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/james-holmes-notebook-dragged.pdf
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Sandy hook, did not have police resource officer

http://gunwars.news21.com/blog/2014/07/building-a-safer-sandy-hook/

The high school and middle school, which already had armed resource officers, doubled down on security and restricted all visitors that didn’t have prior permission to enter.
Lupica: Morbid find suggests murder-obsessed gunman Adam Lanza plotted Newtown, Conn.'s Sandy Hook massacre for years

They don’t believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet,” he continued. “This was the work of a video gamer, and that it was his intent to put his own name at the very top of that list. They believe that he picked an elementary school because he felt it was a point of least resistance, where he could rack up the greatest number of kills. That’s what (the Connecticut police) believe.”

The man paused and said, “They believe that (Lanza) believed that it was the way to pick up the easiest points. It’s why he didn’t want to be killed by law enforcement. In the code of a gamer, even a deranged gamer like this little bastard, if somebody else kills you, they get your points. They believe that’s why he killed himself.
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It really was like he was lost in one of his own sick games. That’s what we heard. That he learned something from his game that you learn in (police) school, about how if you’re moving from room to room — the way he was in that school — you have to reload before you get to the next room. Maybe he has a 30-round magazine clip, and he’s only used half of it. But he’s willing to dump 15 rounds and have a new clip before he arrives in the next room.”

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MILLER: Adam Lanza shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown final report

The shooter only stopped when the police arrived. He had plenty of ammunition and was prepared to continue changing magazines and reloading.
The rifle found near Lanza had a magazine only half-empty. Police found two empty 30-round magazines duct-taped together in a tactical configuration at the scene.
Gun-control advocates often cite “high-capacity” magazines as a cause of gun violence, but the sophisticated way Lanza prepared his weapons showed how easy it is to change a magazine of any size and reload, even in an active shooter situation.
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[rightwinger]

You don’t understand mass shooters

They have other targets available other than schools
Lock down the schools and the shooter has churches, shopping malls, sports events, parades….

Anywhere that people gather

 

[johngaltshrugged]

You don’t understand mass shooters

They have other targets available other than schools
Lock down the schools and the shooter has churches, shopping malls, sports events, parades….

Anywhere that people gather

So your solution is to let them hit the schools by not protecting them?
Or will you agree that by hardening schools & providing armed security would at least force the lefty psychos to go somewhere else?

I'd rather they come after me with my gun at a church, shopping mall, sports event or parade than go after innocent children.
But hey, you do you leftwinker.

 

[theHawk]

You don’t understand mass shooters

They have other targets available other than schools
Lock down the schools and the shooter has churches, shopping malls, sports events, parades….

Anywhere that people gather

Maybe you should just publish a list of the best places a mass shooter should go to kill people.

I am guessing Christian schools are churches are the top of your list.

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe you should just publish a list of the best places a mass shooter should go to kill people.

I am guessing Christian schools are churches are the top of your list.

Gun nuts seem to have endless places to slaughter people

Schools, movie theaters, churches, shopping malls, supermarkets

The only constant is the guns

 

[tyroneweaver]

As we find from the statements and writings of mass public shooters, they choose gun free zones as their targets because they are not looking for a gun fight, they are looking to murder innocent......unarmed....victims......

Police said the suspect’s writings revealed she planned to hit another location but was deterred by “too much security.”

Transgender Shooter Kills Six At Nashville Christian School

Audrey Hale’s shooting rampage occurred mere days ahead of a 'Day of Vengeance' hosted by transgender activists.

thefederalist.com

attackers of any sort in any minority community pick the most vunerable

 

[2aguy]

Gun nuts seem to have endless places to slaughter people

Schools, movie theaters, churches, shopping malls, supermarkets

The only constant is the guns

No, the constant is the gun free status of the location attacked. Mass shooters avoid armed civilians.

 

[rightwinger]

No, the constant is the gun free status of the location attacked. Mass shooters avoid armed civilians.

We have over 300 million people who are potential targets for crazed gun nuts
How are you going to protect them all?

 

[Circe]

As we find from the statements and writings of mass public shooters, they choose gun free zones as their targets because they are not looking for a gun fight, they are looking to murder innocent......unarmed....victims......

Police said the suspect’s writings revealed she planned to hit another location but was deterred by “too much security.”

Good point --- I saw that, too, but didn't think about it when I read it. So security helps, a lot.

The whole point is to get the death count up, up, up.

 

[Circe]

We have over 300 million people who are potential targets for crazed gun nuts
How are you going to protect them all?

Can't. I'm thinking we need to stop focusing on it all. Certainly stop with the teddy-tossing and piles of flowers wrapped in cellophane. Stop with the "prayers and thoughts with" the families. Just treat the mass murders like we treat gang murders ---- ignore them.

I don't see any solution. We neither can nor should stop gun ownership and we have given up stopping crazies by hospitalizing them and besides, almost none of these kind of crazies shows ANY SIGNS of becoming mass murderers before they do it. This one in particular, a nice little Nashville girl, very feminine except for this weird "Aiden" idea she had lately? Schizophrenia, I suppose, unusual in women. But presumably she was getting hormoned up.

There is nothing to be done so I suppose we'll have to wait it out till things change. Things do change: there were a gazumpteen assassinations of heads of state by crazed, psychotic anarchists around the turn of the 19th-20th centuries. Then came WWI and they drafted them all and they were killed in the war and that was the end of that.

 

[theHawk]

Gun nuts seem to have endless places to slaughter people

Schools, movie theaters, churches, shopping malls, supermarkets

The only constant is the guns

The guns don’t make people into lunatics and murderers. Defunding mental asylums keeps those people out on the streets and makes society more dangerous.

 

[rightwinger]

The guns don’t make people into lunatics and murderers. Defunding mental asylums keeps those people out on the streets and makes society more dangerous.

Can’t lock everyone up
But ai would like us to keep guns away from domestic violence abusers, those with severe depression, the mentally afflicted

 

[theHawk]

Can’t lock everyone up

We don’t need to lock everyone up. Just the lunatics.