Transgender and the military

[braalian]

The only ones whose opinions matter are the men and women currently in the military

 

[Harry Dresden]

No, actually I do know a little something about American history. And yes, there have been trans members within our military since before the American Revolution.

not what i am talking about...talking about life in the military when you know you have one of them serving with you....

 

[ColonelAngus]

Male and female is one of the true binaries.

Just like DEAD/ALIVE.

Can I identify as DEAD? Is DEAD OR ALIVE A SPECTRUM?

XY CHROMOSOMES VS XX.

MALE VS FEMALE.

Take all the hormones you want, YOUR ******* CHROMOSOMES DO NOT CHANGE.

I know….sex and gender are “DIFFERENT”…based on SOCIETY AND CULTURE.

It is mental illness to be born with XX chromosomes and insist you are a man.

 

[candycorn]

Do transgendered people have a right to serve in the military? Definite push button issue for some. The unequivocal answer is no. Trey Gowdy explains why, in great detail. Don't attack Gowdy, attack his position.

Trey Gowdy , South Carolina Congressman, recently responded to a reporter about the military in response to a question from a CNN reporter about the DoD ban of transgenders from joining the U.S. armed forces. As Trey typically does so very well, he nailed it rather succinctly.

Question: How can President Trump claim to represent all U.S citizens, regardless of sexual orientation, when he banned transgenders from joining the military? Isn't that discrimination?

Trey Gowdy's Response: " Nobody has a right to serve in the Military. Nobody! What makes you people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? It is very far from it - and for good reasons - let me cite a few."

"The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers." he went on to explain: "By the way, poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identification as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair?"

"Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of push-ups? Not really a morning person? and refuse to get out of bed before noon? All can be legitimate reasons for denial"

"The Military has one job: Winning War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream? That isn't Fair? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful"

"YOU must change yourself to meet Military standards and not the other way around."

"I say again: You don't change the Military - you must change yourself. The Military is not about being fair, it is about taking advantage of others and about winning.The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars and keep our Country safe - PERIOD!"

"If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.""...any other questions?"

It reminds me of a girl I went to HS with. She got into the military and became some sort of ordinance specialist. Not sure what any of that means. Anyway, one day I was at her apartment and she had some of the manuals laying around. Half of it was in English and half of it was in Spanish. I asked her if the instructions were the same in both languages (she is bilingual). She said that the instructions in Spanish were somewhat more detailed.

I can't think of anything that could matter less than a servicemember's sexual orientation or if they choose to wear a dress when not on duty. As long as they can do the job...nobody else should care either.

I guess some want the military to be a social experiment to where you not only have to be a good soldier or sailor, you have to also be the "right" kind of person according to what someone who looks like Malfoy decides.

 

[Delldude]

I guess some want the military to be a social experiment to where you not only have to be a good soldier or sailor, you have to also be the "right" kind of person according to what someone who looks like Malfoy decides.

What do you think catering to the TG DEI was about?

That's defocusing from the mission of war fighting.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

What a crock of shit. Hell, I would not let Gowdy serve because I couldn't stand to hear his damn ass talk. But here is the deal,

"If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.""...any other questions?"
Go ahead, beg the **** out of that question. Someone stand up and explain how being transgender detracts from readiness or lethality. And this quote bears examining.
"YOU must change yourself to meet Military standards and not the other way around."

Is it a military standard to have no more than five fingers or five toes? Uh, no, but it is a standard. The military ain't going to buy you some special gloves. Some of those "standards" are there because of bulk purchases and keeping everything "equal", LOL. But this whole transgender thing, and the military, reveals some amazing ignorance among the public when it comes to our early history.

I mean from people like the OP, well hell, the military should probably actively seek out trans members and immediately expel them with no benefits, perhaps even with criminal charges if you can figure one out. I mean damn, the idea, dress up like a man when you are a woman, and join the military. And I know, maybe you really are not worried about trans males, maybe it is trans females that are the problem. But, if females are allowed in the army, then why is trans a problem?

I can promise you, within the Continental Army, there were numerous men, some of high rank, that sometimes dressed as a woman. Hell, they wore wigs for Christ sake, and stockings. Hell, they were half way there already. But what we know for sure, the pension records show as much. When a woman disguised herself as a man, and fought in the American Revolution, even after discovered to be a woman, they got a pension.

Deborah Sampson out of Massachusetts, Margaret Corbin, out of Pennsylvania, before Sampson. Then there is General Pulaski, out of Poland. Yes, Poland. Now, with DNA testing and physical examination, Casimir Pulaski can be added to the documented list of WOMEN, disguised as men, that were an integral part of how this nation won her freedom. I mean you just don't get it, without Pulaski, still awaiting his appointment from Congress, oh wait, her appointment, and what he did at the Battle of Brandywine, well the war would have been over then.

I mean it is really hard not to laugh. Pulaski has been called the father of the American Calvary, no shit. I guess they got to go with mother now. And to this very day, the standards for the infantry come from Friedrich Wilhelm von Stueben, from Prussia. Oh, they working overtime trying to clean his image up but he was a flamer from hell. Got his ass in trouble in Europe, but he knew infantry, he knew discipline, and at Valley Forge, he saved our ass.

And it is sad, really. I mean Benjamin Franklin, he wasn't running around Europe recruiting the best of the best. Not to go up against the greatest power in the world at the time. And he wasn't exactly toting around big bags of money, LOL. Franklin found opportunities, like Stueben and Pulaski. The very type of people that Hegseth, who is a joke by the way, claims needs to be purged from the military, are the ones that got us this far.

And not one of those you mentioned demanded respect for pronouns or timely medications.

 

[martybegan]

Because transgenders are under constant medical care and receive medication, they are not and have never been deployable. If they are not deployable, they are unqualified to be in the military.

I left active duty in 1994 and in 2001 they offered to take me back, but I developed type II diabetes. I was not deployable without medication, so I was not allowed to back on active duty and they discharged me from the reserve. My daughter was released from active duty because she could no longer run due to an ankle injury. She is now 80% disabled.

If you are a single-parent, you will be released from active duty if you do not have someone to care for your child at a moments notice. That is why single parents are not eligible for enlistment. They are not deployable, just like transgenders.

I was a recruiter for the Navy on active duty and for the Army as a civilian.

I think we have to divide the people in question into two categories.

1. The ones with actual gender dysphoria
2. The ones who are just fetishists and get off on being in drag

For category 1, your concerns apply

For category 2, all they need to do is stop cross dressing and keep their fetish in their private life.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think we have to divide the people in question into two categories.

1. The ones with actual gender dysphoria
2. The ones who are just fetishists and get off on being in drag

For category 1, your concerns apply

For category 2, all they need to do is stop cross dressing and keep their fetish in their private life.

Category 2 is just fine with me. I merely reports the facts!

 

[martybegan]

Category 2 is just fine with me. I merely reports the facts!

Category 2 shouldn't be able to claim they have to cross dress because they are a protected class.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Category 2 shouldn't be able to claim they have to cross dress because they are a protected class.

How are they a protected class? The military does not abide by that.

 

[martybegan]

How are they a protected class? The military does not abide by that.

It did during Biden.

 

[Soupnazi630]

“Someone stand up and explain how being transgender detracts from readiness or lethality. And this quote bears examining.”

Sure thing, darlin’
How does a tranny deploy when it needs continuing doses of drugs to prevent “reversion” to its natural biological st

What a crock of shit. Hell, I would not let Gowdy serve because I couldn't stand to hear his damn ass talk. But here is the deal,

"If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.""...any other questions?"
Go ahead, beg the **** out of that question. Someone stand up and explain how being transgender detracts from readiness or lethality. And this quote bears examining.
"YOU must change yourself to meet Military standards and not the other way around."

Is it a military standard to have no more than five fingers or five toes? Uh, no, but it is a standard. The military ain't going to buy you some special gloves. Some of those "standards" are there because of bulk purchases and keeping everything "equal", LOL. But this whole transgender thing, and the military, reveals some amazing ignorance among the public when it comes to our early history.

I mean from people like the OP, well hell, the military should probably actively seek out trans members and immediately expel them with no benefits, perhaps even with criminal charges if you can figure one out. I mean damn, the idea, dress up like a man when you are a woman, and join the military. And I know, maybe you really are not worried about trans males, maybe it is trans females that are the problem. But, if females are allowed in the army, then why is trans a problem?

I can promise you, within the Continental Army, there were numerous men, some of high rank, that sometimes dressed as a woman. Hell, they wore wigs for Christ sake, and stockings. Hell, they were half way there already. But what we know for sure, the pension records show as much. When a woman disguised herself as a man, and fought in the American Revolution, even after discovered to be a woman, they got a pension.

Deborah Sampson out of Massachusetts, Margaret Corbin, out of Pennsylvania, before Sampson. Then there is General Pulaski, out of Poland. Yes, Poland. Now, with DNA testing and physical examination, Casimir Pulaski can be added to the documented list of WOMEN, disguised as men, that were an integral part of how this nation won her freedom. I mean you just don't get it, without Pulaski, still awaiting his appointment from Congress, oh wait, her appointment, and what he did at the Battle of Brandywine, well the war would have been over then.

I mean it is really hard not to laugh. Pulaski has been called the father of the American Calvary, no shit. I guess they got to go with mother now. And to this very day, the standards for the infantry come from Friedrich Wilhelm von Stueben, from Prussia. Oh, they working overtime trying to clean his image up but he was a flamer from hell. Got his ass in trouble in Europe, but he knew infantry, he knew discipline, and at Valley Forge, he saved our ass.

And it is sad, really. I mean Benjamin Franklin, he wasn't running around Europe recruiting the best of the best. Not to go up against the greatest power in the world at the time. And he wasn't exactly toting around big bags of money, LOL. Franklin found opportunities, like Stueben and Pulaski. The very type of people that Hegseth, who is a joke by the way, claims needs to be purged from the military, are the ones that got us this far.

Fine

Transgender people are mentrally ill. THAT detracts from lethality and readiness

In addition lethality and readiness ultimately traces back to masculinity. Trans people are anything but masculine.

Pulaski has been called many things but he was not very succesful. In europe on in the US revolution

BTW you are full of shit

No one has claiemd he was a woman through DNA testing. Some skeletal remains were found in a memoraial to him and it is SUGGESTED that those remains were intersex.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No, actually I do know a little something about American history. And yes, there have been trans members within our military since before the American Revolution.

A woman disguised as a man is not trans

 

[Winston]

Fine

Transgender people are mentrally ill. THAT detracts from lethality and readiness

In addition lethality and readiness ultimately traces back to masculinity. Trans people are anything but masculine.

Pulaski has been called many things but he was not very succesful. In europe on in the US revolution

BTW you are full of shit

No one has claiemd he was a woman through DNA testing. Some skeletal remains were found in a memoraial to him and it is SUGGESTED that those remains were intersex.

Pulaski made a retreat possible at the Battle of Brandywine. And like von Stueben is the backbone of our infantry, Pulaski was the same for the cavalry. And do keep up, DNA proved that Pulaski was female.

What is so ironic is that in almost every group of "undesirables", rather it is migrants, LBTQ, even unaccompanied minors, I can find a representative of that group, during the American Revolution, whom without their actions, there would be no United States of America. I mean I wish I could zap Hegseth back to King's Mountain in 1780. Most people don't know, it was the largest battle between all American forces of the entire war. Fergunson was the lone Britt on the battlefield, it was Loyalist verses Patriots.

Were there women on that battlefield? Yes, both sides actually. For the Patriots, well most the gunpowder was provided by a woman. But those Overmountain Men bought their wives along, most of them Cherokee. They were reloading muskets, some with a baby in a sling on their back. Were there gay men on that battlefield? Of course there were, again, on both sides. This nation was built from diversity, not in spite of it, and that transcends all spectrum's.

 

[TNHarley]

Recurring nightmares will keep you out of the military. But your retarded moonbats think dysphoria shouldnt be a disqualifier LMAO
The only reason they started caring, is because they aligned themselves with the gay movement. Which doesnt even make sense. Being gay is a sexuality. Trans is a lifestyle.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Pulaski made a retreat possible at the Battle of Brandywine. And like von Stueben is the backbone of our infantry, Pulaski was the same for the cavalry. And do keep up, DNA proved that Pulaski was female.

What is so ironic is that in almost every group of "undesirables", rather it is migrants, LBTQ, even unaccompanied minors, I can find a representative of that group, during the American Revolution, whom without their actions, there would be no United States of America. I mean I wish I could zap Hegseth back to King's Mountain in 1780. Most people don't know, it was the largest battle between all American forces of the entire war. Fergunson was the lone Britt on the battlefield, it was Loyalist verses Patriots.

Were there women on that battlefield? Yes, both sides actually. For the Patriots, well most the gunpowder was provided by a woman. But those Overmountain Men bought their wives along, most of them Cherokee. They were reloading muskets, some with a baby in a sling on their back. Were there gay men on that battlefield? Of course there were, again, on both sides. This nation was built from diversity, not in spite of it, and that transcends all spectrum's.

Neither of the is the backbone of the infantry.

Von Steuben is the. father of training and drill for the military he is considered to be the first drill sergeant. His contributiions are valuable but not father of the infantry as you claim. He was also very competant.

Pulaski was not

What you are describing is isolated anecdotes which prove nothing. Yes women contributed during that war andmany others. But they had no real place in the righting even if an isoalted example exists. The same is true today.

Diversity hinders it does not help. The diversity which built this nation was diversity of thought which is rejected by modern advocates of DEI.

 

[Winston]

Neither of the is the backbone of the infantry.

Von Steuben is the. father of training and drill for the military he is considered to be the first drill sergeant. His contributiions are valuable but not father of the infantry as you claim. He was also very competant.

Pulaski was not

What you are describing is isolated anecdotes which prove nothing. Yes women contributed during that war andmany others. But they had no real place in the righting even if an isoalted example exists. The same is true today.

Diversity hinders it does not help. The diversity which built this nation was diversity of thought which is rejected by modern advocates of DEI.

What is your problem with Pulaski? Yes, she, he, whatever, does it really matter, is the father, mother, whatever, of the cavalry. Pulaski turned what was once just a recon unit, into an offensive unit on the battlefield. And that was not something new, more like something forgotten in European warfare. Pulaski brought it back.

And sure, I am describing little anecdotes, but they are far from isolated, and they are absolutely critical to the founding of this nation. And you are just purposely blinding yourself to the diversity that built this nation. From the very beginning, we were far more diverse than you can imagine. 1620, Plymouth, as if that is the first. Damn, they showed up and were greeted by a Native American that spoke fluent English and had been entertained by the royalty of France and England.

No, well before the Pilgrims arrived there were Muslim communities in the Appalachians. Escaped slaves, from ship wrecks, found their way west. The first white person to venture west of the Catawba river, Swiss. Yeah, from Switzerland. In the 16th century this place was wide open. Juan Pardo, yes, he left soldiers behind, from Spain, they were living here decades before the Pilgrims.

And this whole assimilation thing, what a crock of shit. You think all those colonists came here to assimilate? **** no, they came because they had the space, and the freedom, to do their own thing. Almost to the group, they came to establish their own community here, not to "assimilate". I mean damn, around here, schools and churches operated in German, not English, until well after the Civil War. In many cases, that was third generation Americans going to that German speaking church.

 

[Couchpotato]

What a crock of shit. Hell, I would not let Gowdy serve because I couldn't stand to hear his damn ass talk. But here is the deal,

"If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.""...any other questions?"
Go ahead, beg the **** out of that question. Someone stand up and explain how being transgender detracts from readiness or lethality. And this quote bears examining.
"YOU must change yourself to meet Military standards and not the other way around."

Is it a military standard to have no more than five fingers or five toes? Uh, no, but it is a standard. The military ain't going to buy you some special gloves. Some of those "standards" are there because of bulk purchases and keeping everything "equal", LOL. But this whole transgender thing, and the military, reveals some amazing ignorance among the public when it comes to our early history.

I mean from people like the OP, well hell, the military should probably actively seek out trans members and immediately expel them with no benefits, perhaps even with criminal charges if you can figure one out. I mean damn, the idea, dress up like a man when you are a woman, and join the military. And I know, maybe you really are not worried about trans males, maybe it is trans females that are the problem. But, if females are allowed in the army, then why is trans a problem?

I can promise you, within the Continental Army, there were numerous men, some of high rank, that sometimes dressed as a woman. Hell, they wore wigs for Christ sake, and stockings. Hell, they were half way there already. But what we know for sure, the pension records show as much. When a woman disguised herself as a man, and fought in the American Revolution, even after discovered to be a woman, they got a pension.

Deborah Sampson out of Massachusetts, Margaret Corbin, out of Pennsylvania, before Sampson. Then there is General Pulaski, out of Poland. Yes, Poland. Now, with DNA testing and physical examination, Casimir Pulaski can be added to the documented list of WOMEN, disguised as men, that were an integral part of how this nation won her freedom. I mean you just don't get it, without Pulaski, still awaiting his appointment from Congress, oh wait, her appointment, and what he did at the Battle of Brandywine, well the war would have been over then.

I mean it is really hard not to laugh. Pulaski has been called the father of the American Calvary, no shit. I guess they got to go with mother now. And to this very day, the standards for the infantry come from Friedrich Wilhelm von Stueben, from Prussia. Oh, they working overtime trying to clean his image up but he was a flamer from hell. Got his ass in trouble in Europe, but he knew infantry, he knew discipline, and at Valley Forge, he saved our ass.

And it is sad, really. I mean Benjamin Franklin, he wasn't running around Europe recruiting the best of the best. Not to go up against the greatest power in the world at the time. And he wasn't exactly toting around big bags of money, LOL. Franklin found opportunities, like Stueben and Pulaski. The very type of people that Hegseth, who is a joke by the way, claims needs to be purged from the military, are the ones that got us this far.

The reason transgendered people have been and should continue to be barred from service is that they are not worldwide deployable. End of discussion.

 

[Delldude]

No, well before the Pilgrims arrived there were Muslim communities in the Appalachians

AI says boosheet.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It did during Biden.

True enough, but they were obviously wrong.