Tougher Sentences for Fraud

[Dick Foster]

Scams are on the increase. There needs to be stricter sentences for these people.

COVID-19 scam reports, by the numbers

If you’re a regular reader of this blog — or of the news, you know that scammers are out in force, taking advantage of all aspects of the Coronavirus pandemic.

www.consumer.ftc.gov

Unlike drug use where the victim is the user, there are real victims to these crimes and the penalties should be severe.

Unfortunately this piece does not alert anyone to the truly dangerous scammers, the politicians who are using the scare as a tool to rob the people of their money, their freedoms and their futures.

 

[candycorn]

Scams are on the increase. There needs to be stricter sentences for these people.

COVID-19 scam reports, by the numbers

If you’re a regular reader of this blog — or of the news, you know that scammers are out in force, taking advantage of all aspects of the Coronavirus pandemic.

www.consumer.ftc.gov

Unlike drug use where the victim is the user, there are real victims to these crimes and the penalties should be severe.

Totally agree but we got to stop putting people in jail. Jail should be for people we are afraid of not mad at.

so the person convicted has to pay $100k plus what they stole back to the people they stole with.

these people are strictly monitored and on probation until they pay off the debt. Stop making payments and you are called back in.

How much should payments be a month? Treat this like child support. Whatever the guy makes, a certain percent is auto taken out every paycheck.

if they get an inheritance that money goes straight to victims. Lotto win? Straight to victims.

if the debt is still not paid off at 67 then the victims get 20% of your social security.

Most people who commit these crimes don't go to jail.

I think they should face decades of prison then financial destruction for the rest of their lives.

Paying a fine is already built into their scam. It does nothing to discourage them from continuing to do it nor does it discourage people from getting involved with it.

Yes they should pay back the money they stole and hefty fines and interest to those they stole from.

None of that discourages anyone from committing the crime in the first place.

Hit them where it hurts. Take their freedom from them then force them to live in total poverty for the rest of their lives. That will discourage anyone from doing this type of crime.

Those who do this sort of crime are greedy jerks. They care very much about money and freedom.

Good stuff.

a lot of times, criminals who have warrants are not even extradited when they are arrested in other jurisdictions.

I think people like this should have “virtual” extraditions where their electronic identity (if not their actual one) can be arrested as well. Electronically transmitted wages garnished, credit ratings hindered, etc

 

[Papageorgio]

Scams are on the increase. There needs to be stricter sentences for these people.

COVID-19 scam reports, by the numbers

If you’re a regular reader of this blog — or of the news, you know that scammers are out in force, taking advantage of all aspects of the Coronavirus pandemic.

www.consumer.ftc.gov

Unlike drug use where the victim is the user, there are real victims to these crimes and the penalties should be severe.

Totally agree but we got to stop putting people in jail. Jail should be for people we are afraid of not mad at.

so the person convicted has to pay $100k plus what they stole back to the people they stole with.

these people are strictly monitored and on probation until they pay off the debt. Stop making payments and you are called back in.

How much should payments be a month? Treat this like child support. Whatever the guy makes, a certain percent is auto taken out every paycheck.

if they get an inheritance that money goes straight to victims. Lotto win? Straight to victims.

if the debt is still not paid off at 67 then the victims get 20% of your social security.

Death penalty and we are all better off.

 

[Dick Foster]

Yo

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

Nationalized healthcare will eliminate surprise medical bills.

But is that going to keep the price down for medical care? The costs behind the scenes. If a citizen pays a certain amount , does the costs stay stagnant in real terms.

Universal healthcare, as envisioned by the liberals (me) would mean nobody pays anything out of pocket at time of service. The government would negotiate the costs with the providers. In fact, since the government will be the only purchaser of services, they will have a very strong negotiating point.

You're not very bright are ya. Ya know it's not as if socialism hasn't been tried already because it has several times. And every damn time without exception that it has been tried it ends in dismal failure and despair for the population.
That's without one single solitary exception so were talking a100% failure rate here. How damn stupid can you possibly be to propose anything like it in any manner, way, shape or form?

 

[Indeependent]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

 

[Crepitus]

Yo

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

Nationalized healthcare will eliminate surprise medical bills.

But is that going to keep the price down for medical care? The costs behind the scenes. If a citizen pays a certain amount , does the costs stay stagnant in real terms.

Universal healthcare, as envisioned by the liberals (me) would mean nobody pays anything out of pocket at time of service. The government would negotiate the costs with the providers. In fact, since the government will be the only purchaser of services, they will have a very strong negotiating point.

You're not very bright are ya. Ya know it's not as if socialism hasn't been tried already because it has several times. And every damn time without exception that it has been tried it ends in dismal failure and despair for the population.
That's without one single solitary exception so were talking a100% failure rate here. How damn stupid can you possibly be to propose anything like it in any manner, way, shape or form?

You're wrong.

 

[Crepitus]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

Why? Shouldn't they be well versed in respiratory illnesses?

Wait, he's a specialist, and doesn't have enough savings to keep his doors open for a few weeks while this blows over?

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then. Last time I went to an ENT it cost damn near $1,000 for a ten minute visit.

 

[Indeependent]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

Why? Shouldn't they be well versed in respiratory illnesses?

Wait, he's a specialist, and doesn't have enough savings to keep his doors open for a few weeks while this blows over?

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then. Last time I went to an ENT it cost damn near $1,000 for a ten minute visit.

Hmmm...Will that be your stupidest post of the day?
The respiratory part kicks in after a week of so of fever and by then the patient knows they have C19 and they go to hospital, not an ENT.
OK, maybe you don't know this is how it works.
Now you know.

 

[Crepitus]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

Why? Shouldn't they be well versed in respiratory illnesses?

Wait, he's a specialist, and doesn't have enough savings to keep his doors open for a few weeks while this blows over?

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then. Last time I went to an ENT it cost damn near $1,000 for a ten minute visit.

Hmmm...Will that be your stupidest post of the day?
The respiratory part kicks in after a week of so of fever and by then the patient knows they have C19 and they go to hospital, not an ENT.
OK, maybe you don't know this is how it works.
Now you know.

Lolz, it's a respiratory virus. It's starts as an upper respiratory virus, and if it moves to a lower respiratory problem that's when folks become seriously ill.

Doesn't address the guy's lack of preparation.

 

[Indeependent]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

Why? Shouldn't they be well versed in respiratory illnesses?

Wait, he's a specialist, and doesn't have enough savings to keep his doors open for a few weeks while this blows over?

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then. Last time I went to an ENT it cost damn near $1,000 for a ten minute visit.

Hmmm...Will that be your stupidest post of the day?
The respiratory part kicks in after a week of so of fever and by then the patient knows they have C19 and they go to hospital, not an ENT.
OK, maybe you don't know this is how it works.
Now you know.

Lolz, it's a respiratory virus. It's starts as an upper respiratory virus, and if it moves to a lower respiratory problem that's when folks become seriously ill.

Doesn't address the guy's lack of preparation.

I know, I know, you're the smartest guy on earth.
No ENT is equipped to see anyone who even thinks they have C19; they are referred to the nearest hospital.
One ENT my wife works for saw someone who said she came for a regular checkup and the doctor, wearing an unfitted N95 mask, got a fever and tested positive for C19.
THe now has 2 problems...
He has C19 and 60+ and my wife doesn't know if he's on any life saving medication.
He's unemployed because 0 patients came in to any of their 18 offices over the period of almost 2 full months.

 

[Crepitus]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

Why? Shouldn't they be well versed in respiratory illnesses?

Wait, he's a specialist, and doesn't have enough savings to keep his doors open for a few weeks while this blows over?

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then. Last time I went to an ENT it cost damn near $1,000 for a ten minute visit.

Hmmm...Will that be your stupidest post of the day?
The respiratory part kicks in after a week of so of fever and by then the patient knows they have C19 and they go to hospital, not an ENT.
OK, maybe you don't know this is how it works.
Now you know.

Lolz, it's a respiratory virus. It's starts as an upper respiratory virus, and if it moves to a lower respiratory problem that's when folks become seriously ill.

Doesn't address the guy's lack of preparation.

I know, I know, you're the smartest guy on earth.
No ENT is equipped to see anyone who even thinks they have C19; they are referred to the nearest hospital.
One ENT my wife works for saw someone who said she came for a regular checkup and the doctor, wearing an unfitted N95 mask, got a fever and tested positive for C19.
THe now has 2 problems...
He has C19 and 60+ and my wife doesn't know if he's on any life saving medication.
He's unemployed because 0 patients came in to any of their 18 offices over the period of almost 2 full months.

Two full months? Are his patients prescient?

 

[Indeependent]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

Why? Shouldn't they be well versed in respiratory illnesses?

Wait, he's a specialist, and doesn't have enough savings to keep his doors open for a few weeks while this blows over?

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then. Last time I went to an ENT it cost damn near $1,000 for a ten minute visit.

Hmmm...Will that be your stupidest post of the day?
The respiratory part kicks in after a week of so of fever and by then the patient knows they have C19 and they go to hospital, not an ENT.
OK, maybe you don't know this is how it works.
Now you know.

Lolz, it's a respiratory virus. It's starts as an upper respiratory virus, and if it moves to a lower respiratory problem that's when folks become seriously ill.

Doesn't address the guy's lack of preparation.

I know, I know, you're the smartest guy on earth.
No ENT is equipped to see anyone who even thinks they have C19; they are referred to the nearest hospital.
One ENT my wife works for saw someone who said she came for a regular checkup and the doctor, wearing an unfitted N95 mask, got a fever and tested positive for C19.
THe now has 2 problems...
He has C19 and 60+ and my wife doesn't know if he's on any life saving medication.
He's unemployed because 0 patients came in to any of their 18 offices over the period of almost 2 full months.

Two full months? Are his patients prescient?

Terrified.
Many elderly patients taking medication; some young with one or more medical conditions who come every 3-6 months.
By the way, look up what an ENT specializes in.

 

[Crepitus]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

Why? Shouldn't they be well versed in respiratory illnesses?

Wait, he's a specialist, and doesn't have enough savings to keep his doors open for a few weeks while this blows over?

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then. Last time I went to an ENT it cost damn near $1,000 for a ten minute visit.

Hmmm...Will that be your stupidest post of the day?
The respiratory part kicks in after a week of so of fever and by then the patient knows they have C19 and they go to hospital, not an ENT.
OK, maybe you don't know this is how it works.
Now you know.

Lolz, it's a respiratory virus. It's starts as an upper respiratory virus, and if it moves to a lower respiratory problem that's when folks become seriously ill.

Doesn't address the guy's lack of preparation.

I know, I know, you're the smartest guy on earth.
No ENT is equipped to see anyone who even thinks they have C19; they are referred to the nearest hospital.
One ENT my wife works for saw someone who said she came for a regular checkup and the doctor, wearing an unfitted N95 mask, got a fever and tested positive for C19.
THe now has 2 problems...
He has C19 and 60+ and my wife doesn't know if he's on any life saving medication.
He's unemployed because 0 patients came in to any of their 18 offices over the period of almost 2 full months.

Two full months? Are his patients prescient?

Terrified.
Many elderly patients taking medication; some young with one or more medical conditions who come every 3-6 months.
By the way, look up what an ENT specializes in.

Two months is 2-3 weeks before anyone admitted this might be a problem.

 

[Indeependent]

My favorite...Surprise! Medical Bills...

Hence why nationalizing medical will bankrupt us. We must keep costs down at the same time. Somebody will lose from this. We are not other nations.

60 Minutes reported on this a little over a month ago.
Congress is "supposed" to stop this bullshit.

Medical Care used to be just that. Then it became a business. Whole wings of hospitals used for billing purposes. Crazy costs for everything that became worse and will continue to do so.

About a year ago my wife's boss made my wife become a Billing Provider as well as a Treating Provider.
Little did she know they were sending out co-pays for her services a month after the visit and she didn't see a penny from this new found source of income.

That's sounds like fraud right there. You should speak to her employer about it.

They just went out of business 2 weeks ago...18 offices.
0 patients showed up in the last two weeks of business.
Their main competitor declared bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

She knew her bosses; they would make her life miserable.
MDs can be bastards.

What did they specialize in? Dr offices here are doing brisk business.

Ear, Nose & Throat..everyone of them in NY/LI is going under.

Why? Shouldn't they be well versed in respiratory illnesses?

Wait, he's a specialist, and doesn't have enough savings to keep his doors open for a few weeks while this blows over?

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer then. Last time I went to an ENT it cost damn near $1,000 for a ten minute visit.

Hmmm...Will that be your stupidest post of the day?
The respiratory part kicks in after a week of so of fever and by then the patient knows they have C19 and they go to hospital, not an ENT.
OK, maybe you don't know this is how it works.
Now you know.

Lolz, it's a respiratory virus. It's starts as an upper respiratory virus, and if it moves to a lower respiratory problem that's when folks become seriously ill.

Doesn't address the guy's lack of preparation.

I know, I know, you're the smartest guy on earth.
No ENT is equipped to see anyone who even thinks they have C19; they are referred to the nearest hospital.
One ENT my wife works for saw someone who said she came for a regular checkup and the doctor, wearing an unfitted N95 mask, got a fever and tested positive for C19.
THe now has 2 problems...
He has C19 and 60+ and my wife doesn't know if he's on any life saving medication.
He's unemployed because 0 patients came in to any of their 18 offices over the period of almost 2 full months.

Two full months? Are his patients prescient?

Terrified.
Many elderly patients taking medication; some young with one or more medical conditions who come every 3-6 months.
By the way, look up what an ENT specializes in.

Two months is 2-3 weeks before anyone admitted this might be a problem.

Not for people who need to visit doctors every 3 months.
Every story in the press scares them.
My wife was much more concerned in mid February than I was.
I honestly didn't think it had the potential to be this bad but this is what my wife does for a living.

 

[sealybobo]

Scams are on the increase. There needs to be stricter sentences for these people.

COVID-19 scam reports, by the numbers

If you’re a regular reader of this blog — or of the news, you know that scammers are out in force, taking advantage of all aspects of the Coronavirus pandemic.

www.consumer.ftc.gov

Unlike drug use where the victim is the user, there are real victims to these crimes and the penalties should be severe.

Totally agree but we got to stop putting people in jail. Jail should be for people we are afraid of not mad at.

so the person convicted has to pay $100k plus what they stole back to the people they stole with.

these people are strictly monitored and on probation until they pay off the debt. Stop making payments and you are called back in.

How much should payments be a month? Treat this like child support. Whatever the guy makes, a certain percent is auto taken out every paycheck.

if they get an inheritance that money goes straight to victims. Lotto win? Straight to victims.

if the debt is still not paid off at 67 then the victims get 20% of your social security.

Most people who commit these crimes don't go to jail.

I think they should face decades of prison then financial destruction for the rest of their lives.

Paying a fine is already built into their scam. It does nothing to discourage them from continuing to do it nor does it discourage people from getting involved with it.

Yes they should pay back the money they stole and hefty fines and interest to those they stole from.

None of that discourages anyone from committing the crime in the first place.

Hit them where it hurts. Take their freedom from them then force them to live in total poverty for the rest of their lives. That will discourage anyone from doing this type of crime.

Those who do this sort of crime are greedy jerks. They care very much about money and freedom.

Ok, so I’m 25 and I commit this crime. You want to jail them for 20 years. How much money will they be able to generate for their victims once they get out at 45?

 

[candycorn]

Scams are on the increase. There needs to be stricter sentences for these people.

COVID-19 scam reports, by the numbers

If you’re a regular reader of this blog — or of the news, you know that scammers are out in force, taking advantage of all aspects of the Coronavirus pandemic.

www.consumer.ftc.gov

Unlike drug use where the victim is the user, there are real victims to these crimes and the penalties should be severe.

Totally agree but we got to stop putting people in jail. Jail should be for people we are afraid of not mad at.

so the person convicted has to pay $100k plus what they stole back to the people they stole with.

these people are strictly monitored and on probation until they pay off the debt. Stop making payments and you are called back in.

How much should payments be a month? Treat this like child support. Whatever the guy makes, a certain percent is auto taken out every paycheck.

if they get an inheritance that money goes straight to victims. Lotto win? Straight to victims.

if the debt is still not paid off at 67 then the victims get 20% of your social security.

Most people who commit these crimes don't go to jail.

I think they should face decades of prison then financial destruction for the rest of their lives.

Paying a fine is already built into their scam. It does nothing to discourage them from continuing to do it nor does it discourage people from getting involved with it.

Yes they should pay back the money they stole and hefty fines and interest to those they stole from.

None of that discourages anyone from committing the crime in the first place.

Hit them where it hurts. Take their freedom from them then force them to live in total poverty for the rest of their lives. That will discourage anyone from doing this type of crime.

Those who do this sort of crime are greedy jerks. They care very much about money and freedom.

Ok, so I’m 25 and I commit this crime. You want to jail them for 20 years. How much money will they be able to generate for their victims once they get out at 45?

How many more people did they scam in the 20 years?

 

[whitehall]

Yeah but they are letting "non violent" felons out of jail.

 

[sealybobo]

Scams are on the increase. There needs to be stricter sentences for these people.

COVID-19 scam reports, by the numbers

If you’re a regular reader of this blog — or of the news, you know that scammers are out in force, taking advantage of all aspects of the Coronavirus pandemic.

www.consumer.ftc.gov

Unlike drug use where the victim is the user, there are real victims to these crimes and the penalties should be severe.

Totally agree but we got to stop putting people in jail. Jail should be for people we are afraid of not mad at.

so the person convicted has to pay $100k plus what they stole back to the people they stole with.

these people are strictly monitored and on probation until they pay off the debt. Stop making payments and you are called back in.

How much should payments be a month? Treat this like child support. Whatever the guy makes, a certain percent is auto taken out every paycheck.

if they get an inheritance that money goes straight to victims. Lotto win? Straight to victims.

if the debt is still not paid off at 67 then the victims get 20% of your social security.

Most people who commit these crimes don't go to jail.

I think they should face decades of prison then financial destruction for the rest of their lives.

Paying a fine is already built into their scam. It does nothing to discourage them from continuing to do it nor does it discourage people from getting involved with it.

Yes they should pay back the money they stole and hefty fines and interest to those they stole from.

None of that discourages anyone from committing the crime in the first place.

Hit them where it hurts. Take their freedom from them then force them to live in total poverty for the rest of their lives. That will discourage anyone from doing this type of crime.

Those who do this sort of crime are greedy jerks. They care very much about money and freedom.

Ok, so I’m 25 and I commit this crime. You want to jail them for 20 years. How much money will they be able to generate for their victims once they get out at 45?

How many more people did they scam in the 20 years?

Don't allow them internet access.

So you want to pay $30,000 a year to house, feed and give them medical insurance for 20 years? I don't.

 

[candycorn]

Scams are on the increase. There needs to be stricter sentences for these people.

COVID-19 scam reports, by the numbers

If you’re a regular reader of this blog — or of the news, you know that scammers are out in force, taking advantage of all aspects of the Coronavirus pandemic.

www.consumer.ftc.gov

Unlike drug use where the victim is the user, there are real victims to these crimes and the penalties should be severe.

Totally agree but we got to stop putting people in jail. Jail should be for people we are afraid of not mad at.

so the person convicted has to pay $100k plus what they stole back to the people they stole with.

these people are strictly monitored and on probation until they pay off the debt. Stop making payments and you are called back in.

How much should payments be a month? Treat this like child support. Whatever the guy makes, a certain percent is auto taken out every paycheck.

if they get an inheritance that money goes straight to victims. Lotto win? Straight to victims.

if the debt is still not paid off at 67 then the victims get 20% of your social security.

Most people who commit these crimes don't go to jail.

I think they should face decades of prison then financial destruction for the rest of their lives.

Paying a fine is already built into their scam. It does nothing to discourage them from continuing to do it nor does it discourage people from getting involved with it.

Yes they should pay back the money they stole and hefty fines and interest to those they stole from.

None of that discourages anyone from committing the crime in the first place.

Hit them where it hurts. Take their freedom from them then force them to live in total poverty for the rest of their lives. That will discourage anyone from doing this type of crime.

Those who do this sort of crime are greedy jerks. They care very much about money and freedom.

Ok, so I’m 25 and I commit this crime. You want to jail them for 20 years. How much money will they be able to generate for their victims once they get out at 45?

How many more people did they scam in the 20 years?

Don't allow them internet access.

So you want to pay $30,000 a year to house, feed and give them medical insurance for 20 years? I don't.

do you want them to get a fair trial? That costs money too.

 

[sealybobo]

Scams are on the increase. There needs to be stricter sentences for these people.

COVID-19 scam reports, by the numbers

If you’re a regular reader of this blog — or of the news, you know that scammers are out in force, taking advantage of all aspects of the Coronavirus pandemic.

www.consumer.ftc.gov

Unlike drug use where the victim is the user, there are real victims to these crimes and the penalties should be severe.

Totally agree but we got to stop putting people in jail. Jail should be for people we are afraid of not mad at.

so the person convicted has to pay $100k plus what they stole back to the people they stole with.

these people are strictly monitored and on probation until they pay off the debt. Stop making payments and you are called back in.

How much should payments be a month? Treat this like child support. Whatever the guy makes, a certain percent is auto taken out every paycheck.

if they get an inheritance that money goes straight to victims. Lotto win? Straight to victims.

if the debt is still not paid off at 67 then the victims get 20% of your social security.

Most people who commit these crimes don't go to jail.

I think they should face decades of prison then financial destruction for the rest of their lives.

Paying a fine is already built into their scam. It does nothing to discourage them from continuing to do it nor does it discourage people from getting involved with it.

Yes they should pay back the money they stole and hefty fines and interest to those they stole from.

None of that discourages anyone from committing the crime in the first place.

Hit them where it hurts. Take their freedom from them then force them to live in total poverty for the rest of their lives. That will discourage anyone from doing this type of crime.

Those who do this sort of crime are greedy jerks. They care very much about money and freedom.

Ok, so I’m 25 and I commit this crime. You want to jail them for 20 years. How much money will they be able to generate for their victims once they get out at 45?

How many more people did they scam in the 20 years?

Don't allow them internet access.

So you want to pay $30,000 a year to house, feed and give them medical insurance for 20 years? I don't.

do you want them to get a fair trial? That costs money too.

Yes I do want them to get a fair trial don't you? Stop being obtuse. What I don't want is to lock them up for 20 years and have us foot the bill. There is a better way. You like the status quo? And what about after 20 years? Do you trust them then? I guess we should lock them up forever then.

I don't think you're thinking this through.