Tory Leadership contest (part 94)

[Deadstick]

It won't take that long at the rate things are going

Believe me it will, some of us have not forgotten the Bozo horror show the man was a criminal and liar and the Blundertruss nightmare she trashed the British economy overnight, but it wouldn't surprise me if the herd put the Tories back in they really are too thick to have a vote.

 

[Deadstick]

I don't know. I can't figure the guy out.

Often you don't have a choice. You play with what you've got and you try and change it if you win. We'll see what he can do in 5 years.

I stopped supporting the Labour party when i saw what they did to Corbyn in partnership with the deep state, Starmer is a Zionist and US stooge, they say they have to sort out the finances well they could start by not sending billions to fuel a war in Ukraine.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I don't know. I can't figure the guy out.

Often you don't have a choice. You play with what you've got and you try and change it if you win. We'll see what he can do in 5 years.

I think the "scandals" are being stoked by the tories but it is very disappointing.
I am quite optimistic that my lot will pick up labour seats in the Senedd election next year. As long as its not reform.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It won't take that long at the rate things are going

They are rock solid for 5 years. It will probably take tht long to sort out the mess. Rejoining would sort most of it out but they are scared to even talk about it.

 

[Dekster]

They are rock solid for 5 years. It will probably take tht long to sort out the mess. Rejoining would sort most of it out but they are scared to even talk about it.

Starmer has declared it won't happen in his lifetime. That may end up being yet another one of his assertions he backtracks on, but who knows.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I stopped supporting the Labour party when i saw what they did to Corbyn in partnership with the deep state, Starmer is a Zionist and US stooge, they say they have to sort out the finances well they could start by not sending billions to fuel a war in Ukraine.

Labour spend so much time fighting each other. They're a party that shouldn't be representing half of the country. It just doesn't work. The UK needs more political parties to represent the different views of British people.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think the "scandals" are being stoked by the tories but it is very disappointing.
I am quite optimistic that my lot will pick up labour seats in the Senedd election next year. As long as its not reform.

Yes, it's disappointing, you'd think it wouldn't be too difficult to not do things like take huge amounts of money. Like going to watch Arsenal.... you're the PM, you might be to busy to go watch football.

The problem is, he needs to look like a "man of the people" and do things like watching football. Doesn't really matter what you do, you end up with problems, whereas Boris could have got away with almost anything.

 

[Deadstick]

Labour spend so much time fighting each other. They're a party that shouldn't be representing half of the country. It just doesn't work. The UK needs more political parties to represent the different views of British people.

They didn't spend so much time fighting each other, the rightwing instead of getting behind Corbyn went to war against him, they actually helped bring Johnson to power, much of it was the antisemite smear campaign that mobilized the entire deep state.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Starmer has declared it won't happen in his lifetime. That may end up being yet another one of his assertions he backtracks on, but who knows.

I think it might happen in the next parliament. The current position is too absurd to maintain. Fingers crossed.

 

[Deadstick]

I think it might happen in the next parliament. The current position is too absurd to maintain. Fingers crossed.

Problem is and has been for decades the scumbags own the news Media, it i worse today than ever, why some people don't see that is a mystery.

 

[frigidweirdo]

They didn't spend so much time fighting each other, the rightwing instead of getting behind Corbyn went to war against him, they actually helped bring Johnson to power, much of it was the antisemite smear campaign that mobilized the entire deep state.

If you knew anything about the Labour Party, it's that they're always at war with each other. Blair had it for his whole time in office. As a leader you've got to be able to deal with that. Corbyn couldn't.

 

[Deadstick]

If you knew anything about the Labour Party, it's that they're always at war with each other. Blair had it for his whole time in office. As a leader you've got to be able to deal with that. Corbyn couldn't.

Believe me i know about the Labour party enough to know every time it looks like the left in the Party can take power the Rightwing establishment in the party sabotage it, you can go back to the gang of four who broke away to split the vote and we ended up with the Conservatives again, the right in the party would rather have a Tory Government than a leftwing socialist one, we saw the result in 2019 when they got Bozo the Clown Johnson elected, that was after they were in a panic after Corbyn came close to winning in 2017.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Believe me i know about the Labour party enough to know every time it looks like the left in the Party can take power the Rightwing establishment in the party sabotage it, you can go back to the gang of four who broke away to split the vote and we ended up with the Conservatives again, the right in the party would rather have a Tory Government than a leftwing socialist one, we saw the result in 2019 when they got Bozo the Clown Johnson elected, that was after they were in a panic after Corbyn came close to winning in 2017.

The biggest problem Labour have is that a lot of people just aren't looking at the reality of the situation.

Labour and the Lib Dems got more votes than the Tories in 2010, 2015 and 2017. But the Tories won every one of those.

With Proportional Representation the left would be in power far more. It's also diminish the power of the further left of the Labour Party destroying everything.

People don't want Socialism. They want solutions to the problems, they want a decent NHS, decent education, decent policing etc, but they have two choices and the Tories have a massively unfair advantage.

Really, with PR you'd end up with a center left and maybe Green left and a further left party or groups representing these. This would allow these parties to attract the people who want to vote for these different aspects of left wing politics.

But Labour are exceedingly stubborn thinking that the current system somehow benefits them. It's ridiculous.

Corbyn came in with a different view, but one that ultimately a lot of people are uncomfortable is. Starmer is more palatable, but got lucky in that the Tories were doing so badly. He's proposed nationalizing things, which could lead to another disaster.

British Rail wasn't great. It was cheaper, but they have to find a better way of running it, but will they? I don't have the confidence that a party that has given too much power to the unions can actually do anything other than a system that will benefit the unions.

 

[luiza]

Apparently you could Labour too at this point. Your social workers are calling them failed already, your housing crisis is worsening under them, and winter fuel payments have been cut while your PM is spending a mint on superfluous things like concert tickets. I mean you can keep blaming conservatives but that is not going to change that Labour is the one who will have to jack up taxes and cut services to meet their budget.

Turdy can only ever see in one narrow direction.
NO LATERAL THINKING .
NO PERIPHERAL VISION .
COLOUR BLINDNESS --- Just Black and White .