Top Communist Admits: Communist Party ‘Utilizes’ the Democratic Party – a Lesson for

[Kosh]

Jeb Bush.

Jeb Bush is a right of center Republican, numbskull.

That's Jeb Bush's political profile from on-the-issues. Go argue with them.

Jeb Bush on the Issues

I don't know where you got that, but its not accurate. a center right politician is not in favor of blanket amnesty.

One issue does not determine whether one is liberal or conservative. The above type ratings are based on sum total, on-balance calculations.

You would not call Hillary Clinton, on balance, a conservative because she supported the Iraq war. You would not call Ron Paul, on balance, a liberal because he opposed it.

And yet you support Obama even though he started many illegal wars and has done away with due process.

Thus proving you are a far left drone..

You lie. I haven't supported any of Obama's military interventions other than his direct actions against terrorists identified as enemies of the US per the original AUMF.

proof the far left will lie to cover the fact that they are far left drones..

 

[NYcarbineer]

Wrong! Just because you can not admit to be the far left drone that you are is no ones problem but your own..

Name some liberals who are NOT what you call the 'far left'.

Jeb Bush.

Jeb Bush is a right of center Republican, numbskull.

That's Jeb Bush's political profile from on-the-issues. Go argue with them.

Jeb Bush on the Issues

Going to a far left propaganda blog site for your "facts" proves that you are far left hack.

That post ^^ proves you're a poison-the-well fallacionist. Which means you have no point.

"LA LA LA I don't like the source so I'm not reading... "

Pissant.

There's one Kosh on every messageboard.

He's great at reminding us of the intellectual bankruptcy of Modern Conservatism.

 

[Kosh]

The only problem with your theory is that it wasn't a false association. Many of those who advertised themselves as "liberals" turned out to be communists.

The liberalism of the Founding Fathers bares no resemblance to modern liberalism. The former believed in private property and economic freedom. The later are hardcore Stalinists.

The founders had not witnessed the horrific excesses and abuses that capitalism inflicted on societies in the Industrial Age.

Then again they owned slaves too.

Indeed, because it hadn't happened yet. We were after all an agrarian society then.
Growing pains.

I can tell you all exactly what happened with liberalism, i.e., the split.

This is a fairly concise explanation:

"The split within liberalism led to the rise of modern liberalism within the Liberal Party, and the de-emphasis of what some refer to as "classical" liberalism, which had allegedly been the dominant ideology within the party.[citation needed]

Historically, liberalism emphasized a system of government to protect liberty; historically, liberalism viewed the threat to liberty as mainly coming from the force and coercion of the state.

The split within liberalism occurred when many liberals viewed threats to individual liberty arising from sources other than the state, such as from the concentration of money, the amalgamation of power, or in the destitution of the poor, the sick, or the elderly.

Modern liberalism was an ideology which promoted an active government as the best guardian of liberty – both theoretical liberty and effective liberty – through government aid.

Several 'New Liberals' such as David Lloyd George and Winston Churchill replaced the earlier ideology apparent in figures such as William Ewart Gladstone (see Gladstonian Liberalism) who felt that people should be more trusting of their fate to market forces and the "invisible hand" of capitalism."

Liberal welfare reforms - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And yet the far left shows they do not understand the terms they use..

Show me what terms I've ever misused.

The ones you posted on this thread!

You are a far left drone, you should be used to it by now..

 

[Kosh]

Name some liberals who are NOT what you call the 'far left'.

Jeb Bush.

Jeb Bush is a right of center Republican, numbskull.

That's Jeb Bush's political profile from on-the-issues. Go argue with them.

Jeb Bush on the Issues

Going to a far left propaganda blog site for your "facts" proves that you are far left hack.

That post ^^ proves you're a poison-the-well fallacionist. Which means you have no point.

"LA LA LA I don't like the source so I'm not reading... "

Pissant.

There's one Kosh on every messageboard.

He's great at reminding us of the intellectually bankruptcy of Modern Conservatism.

Says the far left drone that will support Obama illegal wars without question or hesitation..

 

[Iceweasel]

The KKK wholeheartedly supports the 2nd Amendment. Do you?

So? If you don't then you are unAmerican. It's part of our constitution and our rights. Thanks for proving you're a commie.

 

[Iceweasel]

The founders had not witnessed the horrific excesses and abuses that capitalism inflicted on societies in the Industrial Age.

Then again they owned slaves too.

Some did but you just contradicted yourself. Capitalism doesn't mean horror or slavery or anything else you commies think it means. Capitalism will only be as good as the men that carry it out.

Society evolved and so did capitalism but what we see now with the rise of the left is the going back to those glory years where between the haves and have nots and government and business get in bed together.

Conservatives oppose that kind of government power. Commies thrive on it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The KKK wholeheartedly supports the 2nd Amendment. Do you?

So? If you don't then you are unAmerican. It's part of our constitution and our rights. Thanks for proving you're a commie.

The whole premise of this stupid thread is the claim that the Democratic Party is Communist because some people calling themselves communists agree with the Democratic Party on some issues.

If you agree with that premise, which YOU DO, then that premise is valid - by your measure - to apply to other circumstances.

The other circumstance cited, in accordance with your measure - is that YOU are KKK because you agree with the KKK on some issues.

Get it now?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The founders had not witnessed the horrific excesses and abuses that capitalism inflicted on societies in the Industrial Age.

Then again they owned slaves too.

Some did but you just contradicted yourself. Capitalism doesn't mean horror or slavery or anything else you commies think it means. Capitalism will only be as good as the men that carry it out.

Society evolved and so did capitalism but what we see now with the rise of the left is the going back to those glory years where between the haves and have nots and government and business get in bed together.

Conservatives oppose that kind of government power. Commies thrive on it.

Capitalism left to its own devices has had every chance to prove itself worthy of being left alone.

It has failed every time. The People rein in capitalism because of the consequences of capitalism being left alone, i.e., unregulated, unrestrained...in the manner of laissez-faire.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

well well

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Top Communist Admits: Communist Party ‘Utilizes’ the Democratic Party – a Lesson for Constitutionalists
Submitted byTrevoron January 23, 2015 – 8:38 pm EST11 Comments
Communist Party USA, Chicago manJohn Bachtell, has admitted that his Party “utilizes” the Democratic Party “to advance its agenda.”

John Bachtell

Writing on the People’s World website, Bachtell explains that much of the left wants to abandon the Democratic Party (as much of the “right” wants to abandon the GOP) to form a radical third party.

In an article entitledA radical third party? I agree!Bachtell explains:

Certainly, there’s widespread disillusionment with both the Democratic and Republican parties. That’s reflected in the latest Pew Research poll: 38 percent of voters describe themselves as independent, 32 percent as Democrats, and 25 percent as Republicans. In 1991, the three were approximately equal.

While acknowledging that both major parties are heavily influenced by Wall Street, Bachtell sees a big difference:

However, it’s not enough to make sweeping generalizations about the Democratic and Republican parties. It’s true both parties are dominated by Wall Street interests, but it’s also necessary to see how each party differs, particularly their social bases and how this affects their policies.

While the Republican Party is led by the most reactionary sections of Wall Street capital including the energy extractive sector and military industrial complex,it also consists of extreme right-wing elements including the Tea Party, white supremacists, social conservatives, right-wing evangelicals, climate deniers, anti-reproductive rights groups, etc.

Meanwhile the Democratic Party is also home to labor, African Americans, Latinos, other communities of color, women, most union members, young people, and a wide range of social and democratic movements. These constituencies exert influence on party leadership and hold positions at all levels.

Therefore, it makes sense, according to Bachtell, for the Communist Party to stick with the Democrats until a viable third party is feasible. To Bachtell, progress towards socialism is possible only after the “right” is soundly defeated.

The Communist Party’s tactics for political independence rest on several interrelated elements. First, they occur within the constraints of the two-party system. We don’t operate in a parliamentary system which allows proportional voting. Instead, winner takes all, and during the general election it usually comes down to voting for one of two candidates most likely to win.

That means candidates are backed by coalitions. Under these circumstances voting based on purity of positions is not a viable tactic. Coalition forces may disagree with a candidate on one or another issue, but find they must support candidates for strategic reasons – to advance issues and create a more favorable terrain of struggle.

Our tactics also occur within the framework of our strategic policy of building a broad coalition to defeat the extreme right, which we see as the main danger to democracy and social progress, embodied within today’s Republican Party. There are voting constituencies that presently support the GOP that have to be won over. Such an approach sees the need to actively challenge right-wing and GOP ideas that influence sections of the people, especially working-class whites, for example,through hate talk radio. This includes racism and intolerance which are key issues dividing the working class.

We see this as one of the stages in the long struggle for advanced democracy and socialism. Without decisively defeating the most reactionary sections of monopoly capital,disintegrating Republican Party support at every level, it’s hard to see winning more radical and advanced programs and policies and waging a fight against the monopoly class as a whole.

We envision a prolonged process toward political independence, with many turns, advances and defeats, utilizing many forms, resulting in a radical third party based in labor, working-class neighborhoods, communities of color, and democratic movements. Such a coalition third party must extend its reach beyond urban areas, to suburbs, exurbs, rural areas, and in “red” states and congressional districts.

Until that glorious day arrives, the Communist Party will continue to “utilize” the Democrats:

all of it here:
Trevor Loudon s New Zeal Blog Top Communist Admits Communist Party 8216 Utilizes 8217 the Democratic Party 8211 a Lesson for Constitutionalists

Wow~

In terms of 'startling admissions'... that would be on par with Bubba's wife admitting to her cankles.

It's not exactly a secret given that anyone who has seen her, already knows it.

So ... yeah. I agree... the Democrat Party is FULLY communist. Been that way for a couple of generations now.

 

[Dot Com]

Writing on the People’s World website, Bachtell explains that much of the left wants to abandon the Democratic Party (as much of the “right” wants to abandon the GOP) to form a radical third party....


While the Republican Party is led by the most reactionary sections of Wall Street capital including the energy extractive sector and military industrial complex,it also consists of extreme right-wing elements including the Tea Party, white supremacists, social conservatives, right-wing evangelicals, climate deniers, anti-reproductive rights groups, etc.

I guessed you missed the above part of this gentleman's apparent wisdom that you tout.

He's saying that the Tea Party wants to ally itself with such as the white supremacists to form a rightwing third party.

Still think his insight is brilliant and that he speaks the truth?

He's a commie admitting the truth about the Democrat Party, moron. No one claimed he was "brilliant."

So he's an idiot with opinions about the Democrats...lol...

do you people really need to import that sort of nut to this forum?

judging by rw lunch lady's numerous other debate FAILS yes!!!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The whole premise of this stupid thread is the claim that the Democratic Party is Communist because some people calling themselves communists agree with the Democratic Party on some issues.

LOL!

And what are the issues on which the Democrats DISAGREE with the communists upon?

Something SPECIFIC would be nice... try to get as close to specific as ya can.

 

[bripat9643]

Yet you side with the far left!

Name the liberals who are not the far left.

More proof that the far left has hijacked the "liberal" term.

Horseshit. "Liberal" was hijacked back in the "Red Scare" era as a false association -- the same association turd that Redfish and his ilk are still trying to float here 65 years later. In spite of the fact that Liberalism is what invented this country.

And we'll take it back now, thank you very little. That shit should have died in the gutter with McCarthy. Or as another poster put it, " grow up".

The only problem with your theory is that it wasn't a false association. Many of those who advertised themselves as "liberals" turned out to be communists.

The liberalism of the Founding Fathers bares no resemblance to modern liberalism. The former believed in private property and economic freedom. The later are hardcore Stalinists.

The founders had not witnessed the horrific excesses and abuses that capitalism inflicted on societies in the Industrial Age.

Then again they owned slaves too.

The so-called "horrific excesses" of capitalism were a big improvement over the constant famine and abject poverty that prevailed in the pre-capitalist era. It's easy to point out the unpleasantness in the past. But what turds like you fail to understand is prior to capitalism abject poverty was the normal condition of mankind and capitalism is what made it disappear.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong! Just because you can not admit to be the far left drone that you are is no ones problem but your own..

Name some liberals who are NOT what you call the 'far left'.

Jeb Bush.

Jeb Bush is a right of center Republican, numbskull.

That's Jeb Bush's political profile from on-the-issues. Go argue with them.

Jeb Bush on the Issues

I don't know where you got that, but its not accurate. a center right politician is not in favor of blanket amnesty.

One issue does not determine whether one is liberal or conservative. The above type ratings are based on sum total, on-balance calculations.

You would not call Hillary Clinton, on balance, a conservative because she supported the Iraq war. You would not call Ron Paul, on balance, a liberal because he opposed it.

On most issues Dubya was a liberal: immigration, government spending, social program, . . . you name it.

 

[Iceweasel]

The founders had not witnessed the horrific excesses and abuses that capitalism inflicted on societies in the Industrial Age.

Then again they owned slaves too.

Some did but you just contradicted yourself. Capitalism doesn't mean horror or slavery or anything else you commies think it means. Capitalism will only be as good as the men that carry it out.

Society evolved and so did capitalism but what we see now with the rise of the left is the going back to those glory years where between the haves and have nots and government and business get in bed together.

Conservatives oppose that kind of government power. Commies thrive on it.

Capitalism left to its own devices has had every chance to prove itself worthy of being left alone.

It has failed every time. The People rein in capitalism because of the consequences of capitalism being left alone, i.e., unregulated, unrestrained...in the manner of laissez-faire.

Bullshit. Capitalism made us number one. You commies hate America. Capitalism was never "left alone", we've always had a legal system here, even in colonial days. The biggest disparity was when the industrial barons and government worked hand in hand. That's not capitalism, it's a perversion of the free market enabled by a too powerful government.

 

[bripat9643]

More proof that the far left has hijacked the "liberal" term.

Horseshit. "Liberal" was hijacked back in the "Red Scare" era as a false association -- the same association turd that Redfish and his ilk are still trying to float here 65 years later. In spite of the fact that Liberalism is what invented this country.

And we'll take it back now, thank you very little. That shit should have died in the gutter with McCarthy. Or as another poster put it, " grow up".

The only problem with your theory is that it wasn't a false association. Many of those who advertised themselves as "liberals" turned out to be communists.

The liberalism of the Founding Fathers bares no resemblance to modern liberalism. The former believed in private property and economic freedom. The later are hardcore Stalinists.

The founders had not witnessed the horrific excesses and abuses that capitalism inflicted on societies in the Industrial Age.

Then again they owned slaves too.

Indeed, because it hadn't happened yet. We were after all an agrarian society then.
Growing pains.

I can tell you all exactly what happened with liberalism, i.e., the split.

This is a fairly concise explanation:

"The split within liberalism led to the rise of modern liberalism within the Liberal Party, and the de-emphasis of what some refer to as "classical" liberalism, which had allegedly been the dominant ideology within the party.[citation needed]

Historically, liberalism emphasized a system of government to protect liberty; historically, liberalism viewed the threat to liberty as mainly coming from the force and coercion of the state.

The split within liberalism occurred when many liberals viewed threats to individual liberty arising from sources other than the state, such as from the concentration of money, the amalgamation of power, or in the destitution of the poor, the sick, or the elderly.

Modern liberalism was an ideology which promoted an active government as the best guardian of liberty – both theoretical liberty and effective liberty – through government aid.

Several 'New Liberals' such as David Lloyd George and Winston Churchill replaced the earlier ideology apparent in figures such as William Ewart Gladstone (see Gladstonian Liberalism) who felt that people should be more trusting of their fate to market forces and the "invisible hand" of capitalism."

Liberal welfare reforms - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In other words, the so-called "split" with liberalism is when commies (who formerly called themselves progressives) relabelled themselves as "liberals" because The Wilson administration had so tarnished the "progressive" label that it was no longer politically viable.

 

[bripat9643]

The whole premise of this stupid thread is the claim that the Democratic Party is Communist because some people calling themselves communists agree with the Democratic Party on some issues.

LOL!

And what are the issues on which the Democrats DISAGREE with the communists upon?

Something SPECIFIC would be nice... try to get as close to specific as ya can.

I've asked this question numerous times, and they never respond.

The silence is stunning, don't you think?

 

[007]

You people and your commie paranoia crack me up.

You apathetic deniers don't crack me up.

 

[bripat9643]

The founders had not witnessed the horrific excesses and abuses that capitalism inflicted on societies in the Industrial Age.

Then again they owned slaves too.

Some did but you just contradicted yourself. Capitalism doesn't mean horror or slavery or anything else you commies think it means. Capitalism will only be as good as the men that carry it out.

Society evolved and so did capitalism but what we see now with the rise of the left is the going back to those glory years where between the haves and have nots and government and business get in bed together.

Conservatives oppose that kind of government power. Commies thrive on it.

Capitalism left to its own devices has had every chance to prove itself worthy of being left alone.

It has failed every time. The People rein in capitalism because of the consequences of capitalism being left alone, i.e., unregulated, unrestrained...in the manner of laissez-faire.

What are the consequences of capitalism other than prosperity?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Capitalism left to its own devices has had every chance to prove itself worthy of being left alone.

It has failed every time.

Can you cite ONE example of "Capitalism" having failed? Just one SPECIFIC EXAMPLE... please.

 

[007]

The founders had not witnessed the horrific excesses and abuses that capitalism inflicted on societies in the Industrial Age.

Then again they owned slaves too.

Some did but you just contradicted yourself. Capitalism doesn't mean horror or slavery or anything else you commies think it means. Capitalism will only be as good as the men that carry it out.

Society evolved and so did capitalism but what we see now with the rise of the left is the going back to those glory years where between the haves and have nots and government and business get in bed together.

Conservatives oppose that kind of government power. Commies thrive on it.

Capitalism left to its own devices has had every chance to prove itself worthy of being left alone.

It has failed every time. The People rein in capitalism because of the consequences of capitalism being left alone, i.e., unregulated, unrestrained...in the manner of laissez-faire.

If you hate capitalism so much, and love communism so much, then what are you doing in America?

Why not move to China, or Russia, or maybe you'd like Cuba?