Tomb of Abraham

[ForeverYoung436]

If the Jews aren't indigenous to Israel, why are there so many Jewish sites throughout the country, such as the Tombs of Abraham, Rachel, Joseph and David? No matter how many times the Arabs try to destroy the artifacts on the Temple Mount, or the Tombs of Joseph and Rachel, they will never succeed in destroying the Jewish connection to that land.

 

[amity1844]

Who said Jews aren't indigenous to Israel? I haven't seen that comment.

Are you actually reading these posts? Or are you just assuming you already know what's in them because Israel has brainwashed you about us?

 

[Roudy]

If the Jews aren't indigenous to Israel, why are there so many Jewish sites throughout the country, such as the Tombs of Abraham, Rachel, Joseph and David? No matter how many times the Arabs try to destroy the artifacts on the Temple Mount, or the Tombs of Joseph and Rachel, they will never succeed in destroying the Jewish connection to that land.

What I find interesting is the Arabs who invaded the Israel in the 20th century don't have a single archeological site or artifact to point to, to show their ties to the land.

 

[amity1844]

Who told you THAT sack of stuff?

obviously the ancient sites represent both Jews and Palestinians, since Palestinians are descended from Jews. If you are looking for later sites, there are VERY MANY. If you are looking for earlier sites, there are still quite a few. You just toss out these little "factoids" that just float around untethered to reality.

 

[Roudy]

Who told you THAT sack of stuff?

obviously the ancient sites represent both Jews and Palestinians, since Palestinians are descended from Jews. If you are looking for later sites, there are VERY MANY. If you are looking for earlier sites, there are still quite a few. You just toss out these little "factoids" that just float around untethered to reality.

The sites are a Jewish holy sites, with biblical references. Arabs didn't lay a finger in building them. Arabs lay claim to those sites after your terrorist prophet said he was related to Ishmael, and hijacked Judaism and Christianity by claiming Jesus and all the OT prophets were Muslims, thousands of years before Islam. LOL.

Maybe you can tell us how your Mohammad knew with certainly that he was related to Ishmael, over two thousand years later? Even with today's scientific and technological advances that is not possible. Heh heh heh.

So, can you show us some archeological sites or artifacts showing ARAB / Palestinian presence? We're waiting.

 

[amity1844]

??????

Does this actually need mentioning? Just one? only one?

How about the Dome of the Rock for starters.

Now let me ask you this. Anyone who launches an archeological dig of any king in Israel has to have a permit. How many permits do you think have been granted to those who are seeking to document Palestinian Arab history?

Nonetheless, my gosh, even the most myopic Zionist should be well aware of what s/he is literally tripping over when s/he walks the less developed areas that haven't been paved over. Or are you dense? 13, 14 centuries of it.

 

[Roudy]

??????

Does this actually need mentioning? Just one? only one?

How about the Dome of the Rock for starters.

Now let me ask you this. Anyone who launches an archeological dig of any king in Israel has to have a permit. How many permits do you think have been granted to those who are seeking to document Palestinian Arab history?

Nonetheless, my gosh, even the most myopic Zionist should be well aware of what s/he is literally tripping over when s/he walks the less developed areas that haven't been paved over. Or are you dense? 13, 14 centuries of it.

The Dome of Crock built by Muslim invaders on Solomon's Temple. Yeah wow, great respect Muslims have for other faiths. If they're not blowing Churches, or destroying 2500 ancient synagogues in the Holyland as the Jordanians did, they're building Domes on ancient holy sites to intentionally disrespect a faith.

So all you have is a sign of disrespect built on a Jewish holy site? Anything else? All these sites that have been dug up, show the land belongs to a Jews, and no sign of Arabs or this mythical Palestine. Keep looking and get back to me. Ha ha ha.

 

[Sally]

??????

Does this actually need mentioning? Just one? only one?

How about the Dome of the Rock for starters.

Now let me ask you this. Anyone who launches an archeological dig of any king in Israel has to have a permit. How many permits do you think have been granted to those who are seeking to document Palestinian Arab history?

Nonetheless, my gosh, even the most myopic Zionist should be well aware of what s/he is literally tripping over when s/he walks the less developed areas that haven't been paved over. Or are you dense? 13, 14 centuries of it.

The Dome of Crock built by Muslim invaders on Solomon's Temple. Yeah wow, great respect Muslims have for other faiths. If they're not blowing Churches, or destroying 2500 ancient synagogues in the Ho,y land as the Jordanians did, they're building Domes on ancient Hoky sites to intentionally disrespect a faith.

So all you have is a sign of disrespect built on a Jewish holy site? Anything else? All these sites that have been dug up, show the land belongs to a Jews, and no sign of Arabs or this mythical Palestine. Keep looking and get back to me. Ha ha ha.

Say, Roudy, aren't those Muslims in charge digging up and destroying anything which would show a Jewish presence there?

 

[Roudy]

??????

Does this actually need mentioning? Just one? only one?

How about the Dome of the Rock for starters.

Now let me ask you this. Anyone who launches an archeological dig of any king in Israel has to have a permit. How many permits do you think have been granted to those who are seeking to document Palestinian Arab history?

Nonetheless, my gosh, even the most myopic Zionist should be well aware of what s/he is literally tripping over when s/he walks the less developed areas that haven't been paved over. Or are you dense? 13, 14 centuries of it.

The Dome of Crock built by Muslim invaders on Solomon's Temple. Yeah wow, great respect Muslims have for other faiths. If they're not blowing Churches, or destroying 2500 ancient synagogues in the Ho,y land as the Jordanians did, they're building Domes on ancient Hoky sites to intentionally disrespect a faith.

So all you have is a sign of disrespect built on a Jewish holy site? Anything else? All these sites that have been dug up, show the land belongs to a Jews, and no sign of Arabs or this mythical Palestine. Keep looking and get back to me. Ha ha ha.

Say, Roudy, aren't those Muslims in charge digging up and destroying anything which would show a Jewish presence there?

Muslims are the best at destroying and desecrating anything having to do with other faiths. Here is an example:

 

[Lipush]

If the Jews aren't indigenous to Israel, why are there so many Jewish sites throughout the country, such as the Tombs of Abraham, Rachel, Joseph and David? No matter how many times the Arabs try to destroy the artifacts on the Temple Mount, or the Tombs of Joseph and Rachel, they will never succeed in destroying the Jewish connection to that land.

But Abraham was a Muslim

 

[Lipush]

??????

Does this actually need mentioning? Just one? only one?

How about the Dome of the Rock for starters.

Now let me ask you this. Anyone who launches an archeological dig of any king in Israel has to have a permit. How many permits do you think have been granted to those who are seeking to document Palestinian Arab history?

Nonetheless, my gosh, even the most myopic Zionist should be well aware of what s/he is literally tripping over when s/he walks the less developed areas that haven't been paved over. Or are you dense? 13, 14 centuries of it.

The dome of the rock is an old mosque not in use, one that was built over the ruins of our temple.

Hey, let's go build a mosque over the Jewish ruins and then whine about our mosques being transhed by "illegal settlers"

 

[amity1844]

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The sites are a Jewish holy sites, with biblical references.

Then obviously, since Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews, they must by definition be Palestinian sites!

Arabs didn't lay a finger in building them.

No one said they did, Roudy. (Except of course for the ones that were built or re-built later, as many were...)

Tonight I will waste a little bit of time looking for post-Roman archaeology in the middle east. "Arab" or "not Arab" is going to have to be your call. The place was arabized gradually, the same way it was judaized.

 

[JakeStarkey]

??????

Does this actually need mentioning? Just one? only one?

How about the Dome of the Rock for starters.

Now let me ask you this. Anyone who launches an archeological dig of any king in Israel has to have a permit. How many permits do you think have been granted to those who are seeking to document Palestinian Arab history?

Nonetheless, my gosh, even the most myopic Zionist should be well aware of what s/he is literally tripping over when s/he walks the less developed areas that haven't been paved over. Or are you dense? 13, 14 centuries of it.

The Dome of Crock built by Muslim invaders on Solomon's Temple. Yeah wow, great respect Muslims have for other faiths. If they're not blowing Churches, or destroying 2500 ancient synagogues in the Holyland as the Jordanians did, they're building Domes on ancient holy sites to intentionally disrespect a faith.

So all you have is a sign of disrespect built on a Jewish holy site? Anything else? All these sites that have been dug up, show the land belongs to a Jews, and no sign of Arabs or this mythical Palestine. Keep looking and get back to me. Ha ha ha.

David and his b'hoys stole the city of what became Jerusalem and all of the holy sites of the native people.

Let's place nice.

 

[Sally]

??????

Does this actually need mentioning? Just one? only one?

How about the Dome of the Rock for starters.

Now let me ask you this. Anyone who launches an archeological dig of any king in Israel has to have a permit. How many permits do you think have been granted to those who are seeking to document Palestinian Arab history?

Nonetheless, my gosh, even the most myopic Zionist should be well aware of what s/he is literally tripping over when s/he walks the less developed areas that haven't been paved over. Or are you dense? 13, 14 centuries of it.

The Dome of Crock built by Muslim invaders on Solomon's Temple. Yeah wow, great respect Muslims have for other faiths. If they're not blowing Churches, or destroying 2500 ancient synagogues in the Holyland as the Jordanians did, they're building Domes on ancient holy sites to intentionally disrespect a faith.

So all you have is a sign of disrespect built on a Jewish holy site? Anything else? All these sites that have been dug up, show the land belongs to a Jews, and no sign of Arabs or this mythical Palestine. Keep looking and get back to me. Ha ha ha.

David and his b'hoys stole the city of what became Jerusalem and all of the holy sites of the native people.

Let's place nice.

Now if only someone can list all these Holy sites of the "native" people. Surely they must have left some evidence behind. My goodness, if relics are being found from thousands and thousands of years ago all over the world, there must be something that was found as evidence of these "native" people.

 

[amity1844]

In addition to being all over the ground (though archaeology of such sites is discouraged by the Israeli Antiquities people, who only want Jewish sites documented).... Its also in their genes. Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. See studies on Palestinian and Jewish genetics:

1. Ben-Gurion, David & Ben-Zvi, Yitzhak. The Land of Israel in the Past and in the Present. The Yiddish version, New York, 1918.
2. Ben-Zvi, Yitzhak. Populations of Our Land. Warsaw: The Labor Committee of "Brit Hanoar" and the World Khaluts Center, 1932.
3. Writings of Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, Vol. no. 5 – Population of the Land of Israel – Tel Aviv: Mitspeh Publishing, 1936 (identical contents to source 2).
4. Ben-Gurion, David. An Inquiry into the Origins of the Fellahin. Tel Aviv: Khermon Publishing, 1969.
5. Belkind, Israel. Arabs in the Land of Israel. Tel Aviv: Khermon Publishing, 1969.
6. Misinai, Tsvi. The Road Map to the Third Intifada – The roots and solution to the Problem of the Holy Land. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2006.
7. Yarden, Elon. A Common Homeland Not a Disputed Territory. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2006. (Contains sources 4 and 5 as appendices).
8. Yarden, Elon. Zion in Justice Shall be Redeemed (An Alternative to the Oslo Accords). Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, Tel Aviv, 2002.
9. Misinai, Tsvi. Brother Shall Not Lift Sword Against Brother. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2007. (The book is a shortened version of source 6, written in a popular style).
10. Writings of Ber Borokhov, Volume 1. Kibbuts Meukhad Publishing, 1955.
11. Oral Telling of Samaritan Traditions, Yitskhak Ben Tsvi, A.B. Samaritan News, Volume 370-371, page 8, October 8, 1985.
12. מבנה ציבור בכפר יטא שבדרום הר חברון – יובל ברוך, רשות העתיקות ירושלים – מחקרי יהודה ושומרון תשנ"ט, כרך תשיעי. http://daat.ac.il/daat/israel/yehuda...e-9-baruhl.PDF
13. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume 67, No. 12, pp 6769-6774, June 6, 2000. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
14. High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews Almut Nebel • Dvora Filon • Deborah A. Weiss • Michael Weale • Marina Faerman • Ariella Oppenheim • Mark G. Thomas Human Genetics, Volume 107, pp 630-641, 2000. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Ne...00-IPArabs.pdf
15. The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 69, pp 1095-1112, 2001. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1274378
16. Genetics of congenital deafness in the Palestinian population: multiple connection 26 alleles with shared origins in the Middle East. Shanin H, Walsh T, Sobe T, Lynch E, King MC, Avraham KB, Kanaan M. Human Genetics 110(3):284-9, Mar 2002. http://www.tau.ac.il/~karena/manuscr...et_al_2002.pdf
17. The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera, Ahmed Rostom, Juan Moscoso, Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela, and Jorge Martínez-Laso Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001) http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf
18. Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians Robin McKie, science editor, The Observer, Sunday 25 November 2001 Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians | World news | The Observer
19. The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin Biology Direct Biology Direct | Full text | The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms
20. Bohm, David. Wholeness and the Implicate Order. Routledge, 198

If you have the REMOTEST DOUBT about my allegation that Israel discourages documentation of post-Roman era, I'll get you some.

I'll get you LOTS!

 

[Sally]

In addition to being all over the ground (though archaeology of such sites is discouraged by the Israeli Antiquities people, who only want Jewish sites documented).... Its also in their genes. Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. See studies on Palestinian and Jewish genetics:

1. Ben-Gurion, David & Ben-Zvi, Yitzhak. The Land of Israel in the Past and in the Present. The Yiddish version, New York, 1918.
2. Ben-Zvi, Yitzhak. Populations of Our Land. Warsaw: The Labor Committee of "Brit Hanoar" and the World Khaluts Center, 1932.
3. Writings of Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, Vol. no. 5 – Population of the Land of Israel – Tel Aviv: Mitspeh Publishing, 1936 (identical contents to source 2).
4. Ben-Gurion, David. An Inquiry into the Origins of the Fellahin. Tel Aviv: Khermon Publishing, 1969.
5. Belkind, Israel. Arabs in the Land of Israel. Tel Aviv: Khermon Publishing, 1969.
6. Misinai, Tsvi. The Road Map to the Third Intifada – The roots and solution to the Problem of the Holy Land. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2006.
7. Yarden, Elon. A Common Homeland Not a Disputed Territory. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2006. (Contains sources 4 and 5 as appendices).
8. Yarden, Elon. Zion in Justice Shall be Redeemed (An Alternative to the Oslo Accords). Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, Tel Aviv, 2002.
9. Misinai, Tsvi. Brother Shall Not Lift Sword Against Brother. Tel Aviv: Liad Publishing, 2007. (The book is a shortened version of source 6, written in a popular style).
10. Writings of Ber Borokhov, Volume 1. Kibbuts Meukhad Publishing, 1955.
11. Oral Telling of Samaritan Traditions, Yitskhak Ben Tsvi, A.B. Samaritan News, Volume 370-371, page 8, October 8, 1985.
12. מבנה ציבור בכפר יטא שבדרום הר חברון – יובל ברוך, רשות העתיקות ירושלים – מחקרי יהודה ושומרון תשנ"ט, כרך תשיעי. http://daat.ac.il/daat/israel/yehuda...e-9-baruhl.PDF
13. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonne-Tamir PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA(, Volume 67, No. 12, pp 6769-6774, June 6, 2000. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
14. High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews Almut Nebel • Dvora Filon • Deborah A. Weiss • Michael Weale • Marina Faerman • Ariella Oppenheim • Mark G. Thomas Human Genetics, Volume 107, pp 630-641, 2000. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Ne...00-IPArabs.pdf
15. The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 69, pp 1095-1112, 2001. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1274378
16. Genetics of congenital deafness in the Palestinian population: multiple connection 26 alleles with shared origins in the Middle East. Shanin H, Walsh T, Sobe T, Lynch E, King MC, Avraham KB, Kanaan M. Human Genetics 110(3):284-9, Mar 2002. http://www.tau.ac.il/~karena/manuscr...et_al_2002.pdf
17. The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera, Ahmed Rostom, Juan Moscoso, Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela, and Jorge Martínez-Laso Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001) http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~durai...opulations.pdf
18. Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians Robin McKie, science editor, The Observer, Sunday 25 November 2001 Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians | World news | The Observer
19. The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin Biology Direct Biology Direct | Full text | The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms
20. Bohm, David. Wholeness and the Implicate Order. Routledge, 198

If you have the REMOTEST DOUBT about my allegation that Israel discourages documentation of post-Roman era, I'll get you some.

I'll get you LOTS!

You had better tell those Leftist Jews that they can't write anything and have it published for newspapers like Haaretz. Meanwhile, we all know what happens in Muslim countries when you write something that the leaders don't like.

 

[Indeependent]

??????

Does this actually need mentioning? Just one? only one?

How about the Dome of the Rock for starters.

Now let me ask you this. Anyone who launches an archeological dig of any king in Israel has to have a permit. How many permits do you think have been granted to those who are seeking to document Palestinian Arab history?

Nonetheless, my gosh, even the most myopic Zionist should be well aware of what s/he is literally tripping over when s/he walks the less developed areas that haven't been paved over. Or are you dense? 13, 14 centuries of it.

The Dome of Crock built by Muslim invaders on Solomon's Temple. Yeah wow, great respect Muslims have for other faiths. If they're not blowing Churches, or destroying 2500 ancient synagogues in the Holyland as the Jordanians did, they're building Domes on ancient holy sites to intentionally disrespect a faith.

So all you have is a sign of disrespect built on a Jewish holy site? Anything else? All these sites that have been dug up, show the land belongs to a Jews, and no sign of Arabs or this mythical Palestine. Keep looking and get back to me. Ha ha ha.

David and his b'hoys stole the city of what became Jerusalem and all of the holy sites of the native people.

Let's place nice.

Temple Mount - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In Judaism paragraph...
"the Bible recounts that King David purchased a threshing floor owned by Araunah the Jebusite,[70] tradition locates it as being on this mount. An early Jewish text, the Genesis Rabba, states that this site is one of three about which the nations of the world cannot taunt Israel and say "you have stolen them," since it was purchased "for its full price" by David.[71] David wanted to construct a sanctuary there, but this was left to his son Solomon, who completed the task in c. 950 BCE with the construction of the First Temple."

 

[amity1844]

yes, yes, we know all that.

But that relates to temple mount, not to the Dome of the Rock, mosque of Omar.