To what degree is the national debt of the United States something of a "Malthusian Practical Joke?"

[DennisPTate]

It is my belief that the national debt of the United States, [as well as the national debt of Canada], is significantly a practical joke that is being played on us ignorant masses by Neo-Malthusians who control a significant percentage of the real wealth of this world.

I believe that it is important to recognize that these Neo-Malthusians are not stupid people, and they are not necessarily entirely wrong in their beliefs that we humans are too productive.... too creative..... and too destructive to the environment.

In a way that song from the seventies about taking "Paradise and turning it into a parking lot" is a one sentence summary of the basics of Neo-Malthusian economic theory and philosophy.

Malthusianism is a theory proposing that population growth, which is exponential, will eventually outstrip the linear growth of resources like food, leading to a Malthusian catastrophe such as famine, war, or poverty. This crisis is caused by fierce competition for dwindling resources, which leads to a decrease in population and living standards. The theory, first articulated by Thomas Robert Malthus, is rooted in the idea that unchecked population growth is limited by the availability of resources.

Neo-Malthusianism is the advocacy of human population planning to ensure resources and environmental integrities for current and future human populations as well as for other species.<a href="Malthusianism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> In Britain the term "Malthusian" can also refer more specifically to arguments made in favour of family planning, hence organizations such as the Malthusian League.<a href="Malthusianism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> Neo-Malthusians differ from Malthus's theories mainly in their support for the use of birth control. Malthus, a devout Christian, believed that "self-control" (i.e., abstinence) was preferable to artificial birth control. He also worried that the effect of contraceptive use would be too powerful in curbing growth; it was commonly believed in the 18th century (including by Malthus) that a steadily growing population remained a necessary factor in the continuing "progress of society", generally. Modern neo-Malthusians are generally more concerned than Malthus with environmental degradation and catastrophic famine than with poverty.

Malthusianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My guess is that Mr. Bill Gates became the "poster boy" for the Neo-Malthusians with his lecture "Innovating to zero."

Does Neo-Malthusianism have a basis in Theology?

Yes.

And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."
[Genesis 11:6]

and of course:

Ecclesiastes 10:19
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.


Here are some statistics for what happened just after the Civil War that I believe will help you to understand this idea.

[Alain Pilote]

“I have two great enemies, the Southern army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. And of the two, the bankers are my greatest foe.”

Lincoln was re-elected President in 1864, and he made it quite clear that he would attack the power of the bankers, once the war was over. The war ended on April 9, 1865, but Lincoln was assassinated five days later, on April 14. A tremendous restriction of credit followed, organized by the banks: the currency in circulation in the country, which was, in 1866, $1,907 million, representing $50.46 for each American citizen, had been reduced to $605 million in 1876, representing $14.60 per capita. The result: in ten years, 56,446 business failures, representing a loss of $2 billion. And as if this was not enough, the bankers reduced the per capita currency in circulation to $6.67 in 1887!​

[Alain Pilote]

Chapter 49 — The History of Banking Control in the United States

This fight of the International Financiers to install their fraudulent debt-money system has been particularly vicious in the United States of America since its very foundation, and historical facts show that several American statesmen were well aware of the dishonest money system the Financiers...

famguardian.org

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It is my belief that the national debt of the United States, [as well as the national debt of Canada], is significantly a practical joke that is being played on us ignorant masses by Neo-Malthusians who control a significant percentage of the real wealth of this world.

I believe that it is important to recognize that these Neo-Malthusians are not stupid people, and they are not necessarily entirely wrong in their beliefs that we humans are too productive.... too creative..... and too destructive to the environment.

In a way that song from the seventies about taking "Paradise and turning it into a parking lot" is a one sentence summary of the basics of Neo-Malthusian economic theory and philosophy.




My guess is that Mr. Bill Gates became the "poster boy" for the Neo-Malthusians with his lecture "Innovating to zero."

Does Neo-Malthusianism have a basis in Theology?

Yes.


and of course:

Ecclesiastes 10:19
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.


Here are some statistics for what happened just after the Civil War that I believe will help you to understand this idea.

Conservation Is an Economic- Conservative Con Job

The Zero-Growth Gurus goal is to create artificial scarcities in order to gouge us on profit-margins. Peak Oil is the same scam.
We've barely scratched the surface of Earth's resources.

The RichKid Reich's crushing of creativity with their oppressive "educational" institutions also contributes to artificial scarcity.

 

[kyzr]

When the dollar crashes its no joke.

Rating agencies keep dropping the US credit rating

We pay $1.1T in interest on the $38T debt, more than defense.

 

[DennisPTate]

Conservation Is an Economic- Conservative Con Job

The Zero-Growth Gurus goal is to create artificial scarcities in order to gouge us on profit-margins. Peak Oil is the same scam.
We've barely scratched the surface of Earth's resources.

The RichKid Reich's crushing of creativity with their oppressive "educational" institutions also contributes to artificial scarcity.

Al Gore's professor was referred to in the documentary: "Why Big Oil Conquered The World."

He was part of a group who were working on a plan to link the price and supply of oil to the fiat currencies of the world's largest economies. The Al Gore Carbon Tax idea, accomplishes exactly that but also has a big bonus to it. A Carbon Tax APPEARS on the surface to go against the goals of BigOil, [but appearances can be deceiving].

Why Big Oil Conquered the World - Top Documentary Films

Environmental advocates have long protested the role that oil companies play in exacerbating the climate change crisis. Their voices have rattled some of the

topdocumentaryfilms.com

"Why Big Oil Conquered The World."

 

[Billiejeens]

When the dollar crashes its no joke.

Rating agencies keep dropping the US credit rating

We pay $1.1T in interest on the $38T debt, more than defense.

Pay to who?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When the dollar crashes its no joke.

Rating agencies keep dropping the US credit rating

We pay $1.1T in interest on the $38T debt, more than defense.

You do realize that the 1.1 trillion is less than 3% of our total debt? Compared to the annual budget of course it is much higher.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Pay to who?

Mostly ourselves.

 

[Billiejeens]

Mostly ourselves.

Yep

 

[DennisPTate]

You do realize that the 1.1 trillion is less than 3% of our total debt? Compared to the annual budget of course it is much higher.

Let's hope and pray that the gifted Mark Taylor gave a valid prediction for the future back on April 28, of 2011.

[Mark Taylor]

4-28-11 Commander in Chief

The Spirit of God says, I have chosen this man, Donald Trump, for such a time as this. For as Benjamin Netanyahu is to lsrael, so shall this man be to the United States of America! For I will use this man to bring honor, respect and restoration to America. America will be respected once again as the most powerful and prosperous nation on earth, (other than lsrael). The dollar will be the strongest it has ever been in the history of the United States, and will once again be the currency by which all others are judged.


The Spirit of God says, the enemy will quake and shake and fear this man I have anointed. They will even quake and shake when he announces he is running for president, it will be like the shot heard across the world. The enemy will say what shall we do now? This man knows all our tricks and schemes. We have been robbing America for decades, what shall we do to stop this? The Spirit says HA! No one shall stop this that lhave started! Forthe enemy has stolen from America fordecades and it stops now! For I will use this man to reap the harvest that the United States has sown for and plunder from the enemy what he has stolen and return it 7 fold back to the United States. The enemy will say lsrael, lsrael, what about lsrael? For lsrael will be protected by America once again. The spirit says yes! America will once again stand hand and hand with lsrael, and the two shall be as one. For the ties between lsrael and America will be stronger than ever, and lsrael will flourish like never before.


The Spirit of God says, I will protect America and lsrael, for this next president will be a man of his word, when he speaks the world will listen and know that there is something greater in him than all the others before him. This man's word is his bond and the world and America will know this and the enemy will fear this, for this man will be fearless. The Spirit says, when the financial harvest begins so shall it parallel in the spiritual for America.


The Spirit of God says, in this next election they will spend billions to keep this president in; it will be like flushing their money down the toilet. Let them waist their money, for it comes from and it is being used by evil forces at work, but they will not succeed, for this next election will be a clean sweep for the man I have chosen. They will say things about this man (the enemy), but it will not affect him, and they shall say it rolls off of him like the duck, for as the feathers of a duck protect it, so shall my feathers protect this next president. Even mainstream news media will be captivated by this man and the abilities that I have gifted him with, and they will even begin to agree with him says the Spirit of God." (Mr. Mark Taylor, March 28, 2011)

www.sordrescue.com/

 

[DennisPTate]

Mostly ourselves.

Yes, the vast majority of the thirty eight trillion that is owed by America, is actually owed to American citizens.

 

[kyzr]

Pay to who?

Bond holders. The guys who own that $38T we borrowed.

 

[kyzr]

You do realize that the 1.1 trillion is less than 3% of our total debt? Compared to the annual budget of course it is much higher.

OK, so what happens if we keep spending and borrowing, and the rating agencies rate our debt as "junk" and want higher interest rates, and then the dollar collapses, hyper-inflation hits, and we look like the Weimar Republic?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

When the dollar crashes its no joke.

Rating agencies keep dropping the US credit rating

We pay $1.1T in interest on the $38T debt, more than defense.

The Pigs' Piggybank

The government has $14 trillion (and rising because of the Gold Bugs' Ponzi scheme) to cover the interest on the debt. It already used up its silver to do that.

Why should these sheltered elitists ever tell us what they're doing behind closed doors? After all, they wrote their anti-populist Constitution behind closed doors.

Why would anyone in the hired media spill the beans, as if they knew what was going on any more than we do? Whichever side the Influencers pretend to be on, they're all in the same choir of pompous, POS, pipsqueak, pinhead pundits.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Al Gore's professor was referred to in the documentary: "Why Big Oil Conquered The World."

He was part of a group who were working on a plan to link the price and supply of oil to the fiat currencies of the world's largest economies. The Al Gore Carbon Tax idea, accomplishes exactly that but also has a big bonus to it. A Carbon Tax APPEARS on the surface to go against the goals of BigOil, [but appearances can be deceiving].

Why Big Oil Conquered the World - Top Documentary Films

Environmental advocates have long protested the role that oil companies play in exacerbating the climate change crisis. Their voices have rattled some of the

topdocumentaryfilms.com

"Why Big Oil Conquered The World."

Green Is the Color of Their Daddy's Money

Trustfundee Treehuggers are unconscious agents of the class they were born in. The uninhibited development of Nature's still extremely abundant resources is the only cause of class mobility. Their indelible class-instinct motivates them to block that threat to absolute Birth-Class Supremacy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

OK, so what happens if we keep spending and borrowing, and the rating agencies rate our debt as "junk" and want higher interest rates, and then the dollar collapses, hyper-inflation hits, and we look like the Weimar Republic?

I don't know. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? I find all of this hysteria to be boring as hell because nobody know shit about anything in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Billiejeens]

OK, so what happens if we keep spending and borrowing, and the rating agencies rate our debt as "junk" and want higher interest rates, and then the dollar collapses, hyper-inflation hits, and we look like the Weimar Republic?

Did the Weimar Republic have nukes?

 

[kyzr]

I don't know. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? I find all of this hysteria to be boring as hell because nobody know shit about anything in the grand scheme of things.

1. I do know that the Joint Chiefs said that the National debt is the #1 threat to the USA

https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/4415862-national-debt-is-the-greatest-threat-to-our-country-its-time-for-congress-to-act/

"In 2010, then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, stated that, “the most significant threat to our national security is our debt.” It is hard to imagine a circumstance where the United States can continue to lead the world when we spend more on interest than on defense in a given year."

2. I don't understand how the Federal Reserve can just keep ignoring the $38T debt and $1.1T interest payments. One would think the MSM would ask a question or two of Chair Powell "how should congress address the debt and deficit, any recommendations?" ...and see what he'd say. He would dodge and say "that is for the elected officials to determine".

 

[g5000]

It is my belief that the national debt of the United States, [as well as the national debt of Canada], is significantly a practical joke that is being played on us ignorant masses by Neo-Malthusians who control a significant percentage of the real wealth of this world.

Here are some statistics for what happened just after the Civil War that I believe will help you to understand this idea.

The neo-Malthusians were discredited a long time ago. All of their doom-and-gloom predictions came to nought.

In fact, there was a famous bet between a neo-Malthusian and an economist in 1980. The neo-Malthusian lost the bet, bigly.

Simon–Ehrlich wager - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What any of this has to do with the federal debt is beyond me, but everyone who has seen my posts on this board knows the federal debt is my single biggest issue.

Sooner or later, our debtors are going to doubt our ability to pay them back, and they are going to demand higher interest rates on any new debt.

.

 

[g5000]

Pay to who?

Our debtors.

China, sovereign wealth funds, mutal funds, the United Kingdom, Japan, wealth trusts, college endowment funds, etc., etc., etc.

 

[g5000]

You do realize that the 1.1 trillion is less than 3% of our total debt? Compared to the annual budget of course it is much higher.

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You do realize that $1.1 trillion is the INTEREST on our debt? Money that has to be outlayed every year. More than we outlay for defense.

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