TNHarleys solution to the school shooting problem

[LordBrownTrout]

Maybe if Public Schools had CHOICE to keep or get rid of students instead of taking them back again and again and again regardless of what they do to other students, to teachers...regardless if they are emotionally disturbed, have behavioral disorders, etc.

We see the end product in public schools. No parenting, no discipline, broken homes. Where would we place these doped up, high, mentally ill kids? Seriously . What do you think?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Background checks whether bought at store, gun show, or passed from private owner to another.

No. That's a form of Federal gun registration. How'd that work out in 30's Germany?

 

[martybegan]

Oh, and TNHarley....

I will not be armed. I am a teacher, not a guard. From people who whine about teachers getting paid too much, not working enough, being disrespected as “babysitters” and “liberal indoctrination,” we get a proposal adding more burden to our shoulders?

To hell with that.

A shooter walks into your classroom after gunning other classrooms. You know he's coming. Do you want a gun or not? It really is that basic and simple.

You guys are hilarious. We’re not supposed to use the fear of mass shootings to discuss gun control, but you’ll use it to try to bully me into agreeing to be armed.

You don't have to be armed. you just have to be willing not to throw a hissy fit if a fellow teacher who is a CCW holder is armed at school.

This doesn't involve anything by you except staying out of the way.

You mean out of the crossfire?

That would probably be a good idea.

But without armed teachers or guards onsite you are stuck with probably at least 10 minutes or so of one sided fire.

Unless people bull rush the shooter.

 

[farmer]

The school area needs to be secure from entry. Armed guards alone aren't enough. They have to react to an active shooter to be effective. Stop the shooter from getting inside to begin with.

Use electronic ID badges as the first gate, then pass into an enclosed metal detection area. This area is under guard and that guard allows final access into the school. This guard is behind bullet proof glass with gun ports.

That is not a realistic plan imo

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Why not.? If you can keep the weapons out the killings stop.

The investment to retrofit every school in america to accomodate this plan is not realistic. Not to mention the cost of employment to staff it and its upkeep.
Metal detectors at unlocked entrances should be looked into but his tunnel idea is not feasible

Yep, it would be expensive as hell but worth it IMO. Being that guns are the preferred choice of weapons for school shootings I propose a 50% sales tax on guns and ammo to pay for the extra school security.

 

[ricechickie]

Background checks whether bought at store, gun show, or passed from private owner to another.

No. That's a form of Federal gun registration. How'd that work out in 30's Germany?

From conservatives who think the government is too incompetent to accomplish much of anything, they will suddenly be able to collect guns from law-abiding folks effectively.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Background checks whether bought at store, gun show, or passed from private owner to another.

You shouldn't expect private citizens to become government agents.

I don’t. The background checks, in my plan, would be done through the police.

Also not a good idea because local ICLEI politicians could control the P.D. to severely infringe people's rights to buy guns.

 

[Defiant1]

Background checks whether bought at store, gun show, or passed from private owner to another.

You shouldn't expect private citizens to become government agents.

I don’t. The background checks, in my plan, would be done through the police.

What are the police going to do that isn't already being done?

 

[Marion Morrison]

The school area needs to be secure from entry. Armed guards alone aren't enough. They have to react to an active shooter to be effective. Stop the shooter from getting inside to begin with.

Use electronic ID badges as the first gate, then pass into an enclosed metal detection area. This area is under guard and that guard allows final access into the school. This guard is behind bullet proof glass with gun ports.

What the-?

Dude, when I was in school, pretty Dragonflies would fly in and out of the 2 open doors all day. It's school, not prison!

You pull some crap like that, and the kids will be institutionalized, just like prison! WTF?!

if you want a secure environment for the students, you gotta make it secure. Talking won't help, laws won't help. The crazies will still be out there and so will guns. You want school killings to stop? Secure the schools - anything less is pissin' up a rope.

How 'bout securing the crazies instead?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

A real plan.....

TEACH UNITY and PRIDE.

There is only one country where you live, and that country is America. And you should be proud to be in that country.
There is one flag, the American flag. And it is hung in every single classroom. And it is the only flag we assemble in front of.
We are all Americans, you are not a Latin-American, you are not African-Americans...there is only one team - the American team. And your number one priority as an American is how you can make your country better. How your generation can continue to strive to right the wrongs, and continue to keep America the great country it is.

But instead, kids are taught by the education system and the media/entertainment industry that America is fundamentally flawed. That to show pride for your country is wrong, and excludes others. They are taught to divide each other by political and ideological sides...and the other side is terrible and "not us". They are taught that you either belong to the privileged group, or the victim group.

MAKE KIDS PROUD TO BE WHO THEY ARE, AND THE COUNTRY THEY LIVE IN.

 

[miketx]

Oh, and TNHarley....

I will not be armed. I am a teacher, not a guard. From people who whine about teachers getting paid too much, not working enough, being disrespected as “babysitters” and “liberal indoctrination,” we get a proposal adding more burden to our shoulders?

To hell with that.

A shooter walks into your classroom after gunning other classrooms. You know he's coming. Do you want a gun or not? It really is that basic and simple.

You guys are hilarious. We’re not supposed to use the fear of mass shootings to discuss gun control, but you’ll use it to try to bully me into agreeing to be armed.

No one is trying to bully you into getting a gun. I have always said that only people who want it should get it. The problem I see is that some people are so ingrained with stubborn hardheadedness that they refuse to accept the reality of the situation they are in.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The school area needs to be secure from entry. Armed guards alone aren't enough. They have to react to an active shooter to be effective. Stop the shooter from getting inside to begin with.

Use electronic ID badges as the first gate, then pass into an enclosed metal detection area. This area is under guard and that guard allows final access into the school. This guard is behind bullet proof glass with gun ports.

I don't have an issue with having all schools fenced and gated with one entry
way onto the campus. Have a camera and loudspeaker at the Gate.
Possibly a metal detector.

Have the individual escorted to the office and then they do whatever
they're going to do or whatever they're there for.

Not all visitors are gonna have badges.

This should be mandatory. The first thing that must be done is to secure
that campus.

Did you watch 300?

 

[DJT for Life]

1. Actual security in schools. Armed guards and or trained and armed teachers.
2. Raise age to buy guns, enlist in military and vote to 21. Raising the age to buy guns sounds like a good idea. If we were to do that, being able to enlist our vote doesnt make much sense IMO.
3. Expand background checks to get OKd by local police. If it passes the fed check and the local police reject it, they should explain why, with evidence. There should also be a reasonable time limit on their part. Maybe 2 days?
4. This is the most important part. Sadly, its also the part that is least likely to happen. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. be a father. Be a mother. Parents need some damn responsibility and take care of and pay attention to their kids. Dont let medicine raise your kids, you straighten their ass out. Quit being a coward. Just because a child doesnt pay attention to everything, doesnt mean they need medicine. They need you. Obviously that isnt always the case but lets be real, ok?
I dont want to discuss you bedwetters wanting to take our guns. We didnt do anything wrong.
These are reasonable solutions, lets discuss these.
Do you like them? Want to tweak one? Have a REASONABLE one of your own?
Lets hear it.

Turn schools into armed camps?

I suppose that means add metal detectors, x ray machines, building a bunker style layout.

Oops, then what happens when they leave school? Sitting ducks?

Teachers being asked to shoot students instead of teaching them. What if a teacher is scared? Shoot first?

Are you sure you've thought this through?

How about banning military style assault weapons? After all, if you are so afraid of the government, perhaps you should move to Russia. I hear Republicans think we should be more like them.
Besides, if you are heavily armed, the government isn't going to send someone who could get killed. No, they will send drones. You won't even see it coming. Bam! You died holding your AR. How much protection did it offer?

We have schools that are already secured. One way in. Totally fenced.
Armed Deputies.

Parents want their children protected. "Banning" assault weapons is not
going to keep someone from getting one.

You keep the bad guys from getting to the students at school is the
first priority. It doesn't matter what must be done. It only matters that
those kids are secure.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Oh, and TNHarley....

I will not be armed. I am a teacher, not a guard. From people who whine about teachers getting paid too much, not working enough, being disrespected as “babysitters” and “liberal indoctrination,” we get a proposal adding more burden to our shoulders?

To hell with that.

A shooter walks into your classroom after gunning other classrooms. You know he's coming. Do you want a gun or not? It really is that basic and simple.

You guys are hilarious. We’re not supposed to use the fear of mass shootings to discuss gun control, but you’ll use it to try to bully me into agreeing to be armed.

You don't have to be armed. you just have to be willing not to throw a hissy fit if a fellow teacher who is a CCW holder is armed at school.

This doesn't involve anything by you except staying out of the way.

You mean out of the crossfire?

Yes!

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Arming teachers is the last line of defense. The objective is to prevent the shooter entry. If he gets in, the security system has failed - by definition. It's an entirely different situation to throw down on a live target, especially one committed to killing you, than compared to training and target shooting. Frankly, most teachers couldn't handle it.

 

[2aguy]

1. Actual security in schools. Armed guards and or trained and armed teachers.
2. Raise age to buy guns, enlist in military and vote to 21. Raising the age to buy guns sounds like a good idea. If we were to do that, being able to enlist our vote doesnt make much sense IMO.
3. Expand background checks to get OKd by local police. If it passes the fed check and the local police reject it, they should explain why, with evidence. There should also be a reasonable time limit on their part. Maybe 2 days?
4. This is the most important part. Sadly, its also the part that is least likely to happen. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. be a father. Be a mother. Parents need some damn responsibility and take care of and pay attention to their kids. Dont let medicine raise your kids, you straighten their ass out. Quit being a coward. Just because a child doesnt pay attention to everything, doesnt mean they need medicine. They need you. Obviously that isnt always the case but lets be real, ok?
I dont want to discuss you bedwetters wanting to take our guns. We didnt do anything wrong.
These are reasonable solutions, lets discuss these.
Do you like them? Want to tweak one? Have a REASONABLE one of your own?
Lets hear it.

#3 will be abused by governments that don't want it's citizens armed.

It's a no-go.

#3 is already abused by sheriffs all over the country........especially California, New York, New Jersey...

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

The school area needs to be secure from entry. Armed guards alone aren't enough. They have to react to an active shooter to be effective. Stop the shooter from getting inside to begin with.

Use electronic ID badges as the first gate, then pass into an enclosed metal detection area. This area is under guard and that guard allows final access into the school. This guard is behind bullet proof glass with gun ports.

What the-?

Dude, when I was in school, pretty Dragonflies would fly in and out of the 2 open doors all day. It's school, not prison!

You pull some crap like that, and the kids will be institutionalized, just like prison! WTF?!

if you want a secure environment for the students, you gotta make it secure. Talking won't help, laws won't help. The crazies will still be out there and so will guns. You want school killings to stop? Secure the schools - anything less is pissin' up a rope.

How 'bout securing the crazies instead?

That would be part of the long term solution. The problem exists now and needs an immediate solution. Security is the only viable option to stop school shootings. Society must decide if they want to pay the price in dollars or kids lives.

 

[2aguy]

Arming teachers is the last line of defense. The objective is to prevent the shooter entry. If he gets in, the security system has failed - by definition. It's an entirely different situation to throw down on a live target, especially one committed to killing you, than compared to training and target shooting. Frankly, most teachers couldn't handle it.

No...removing the gun free zone status drives away shooters....

Make it longer to get into the building in the morning, and the shooter will just shoot people waiting to get in....

 

[Marion Morrison]

The school area needs to be secure from entry. Armed guards alone aren't enough. They have to react to an active shooter to be effective. Stop the shooter from getting inside to begin with.

Use electronic ID badges as the first gate, then pass into an enclosed metal detection area. This area is under guard and that guard allows final access into the school. This guard is behind bullet proof glass with gun ports.

What the-?

Dude, when I was in school, pretty Dragonflies would fly in and out of the 2 open doors all day. It's school, not prison!

You pull some crap like that, and the kids will be institutionalized, just like prison! WTF?!

if you want a secure environment for the students, you gotta make it secure. Talking won't help, laws won't help. The crazies will still be out there and so will guns. You want school killings to stop? Secure the schools - anything less is pissin' up a rope.

How 'bout securing the crazies instead?

That would be part of the long term solution. The problem exists now and needs an immediate solution. Security is the only viable option to stop school shootings. Society must decide if they want to pay the price in dollars or kids lives.

You ever been around someone that's institutionalized in the head? Making school like prison is not the solution.

Hell, my cat that just died was institutionalized.

 

[postman]

2. Raise age to buy guns, enlist in military and vote to 21. Raising the age to buy guns sounds like a good idea. If we were to do that, being able to enlist our vote doesnt make much sense IMO.
3. Expand background checks to get OKd by local police. If it passes the fed check and the local police reject it, they should explain why, with evidence. There should also be a reasonable time limit on their part. Maybe 2 days?.

The solution is a lot easier than you think. Make it like a credit check. And let any suitable professional send good and bad ratings, ex: a school principal may flag a student who was suspended for an act of violence. Or the local police may flag a person for a domestic violence call. Or a doctor or nurse seeing evidence of self mutilation or suicide attempts. Or a psychiatrist/psychologist who sees dangerous behavior.

They put a flag in the persons file, and like with a credit report the person can dispute anything adverse in his file. Until it's resolved the person is on a 15 day (like the Brady bill) wait for a firearm. And in this case add ammunition, magazines, bump stocks, and other enhancements.

 

[martybegan]

1. Actual security in schools. Armed guards and or trained and armed teachers.
2. Raise age to buy guns, enlist in military and vote to 21. Raising the age to buy guns sounds like a good idea. If we were to do that, being able to enlist our vote doesnt make much sense IMO.
3. Expand background checks to get OKd by local police. If it passes the fed check and the local police reject it, they should explain why, with evidence. There should also be a reasonable time limit on their part. Maybe 2 days?
4. This is the most important part. Sadly, its also the part that is least likely to happen. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. be a father. Be a mother. Parents need some damn responsibility and take care of and pay attention to their kids. Dont let medicine raise your kids, you straighten their ass out. Quit being a coward. Just because a child doesnt pay attention to everything, doesnt mean they need medicine. They need you. Obviously that isnt always the case but lets be real, ok?
I dont want to discuss you bedwetters wanting to take our guns. We didnt do anything wrong.
These are reasonable solutions, lets discuss these.
Do you like them? Want to tweak one? Have a REASONABLE one of your own?
Lets hear it.

#3 will be abused by governments that don't want it's citizens armed.

It's a no-go.

#3 is already abused by sheriffs all over the country........especially California, New York, New Jersey...

And the biggest one of all as an abuser, the NYPD.

Guns for me and not for thee. They get to defend their own homes and families, the rest of us can fuck off.