Tim Burton’s Batman movies ???

[Etymology gaslight]

Exactly. That is all Nicholson did, his job. And he did it okay.
Heath exceeded what was written, exceled it. Took the intention of the character and made it so well, it is what everyone talked about.
I am not knocking Nicholson, he is a well accomplished actor for a reason.
It is just that, Heath did a legendary job playing a character that will be remembered for decades more. Nicholson's joker... already forgotten

Not me man I'm taking him with me.

One could argue that all of the subsequent Batman endeavors simply stand on the shoulders of Tim Burton Michael Keaton Jack Nicholson Kim basinger Harvey dent
Jack Nicholson.....

Jack palance
was just seen bungee jumping
off the Hollywood sign.

 

[toobfreak]

Exactly. That is all Nicholson did, his job. And he did it okay.
Heath exceeded what was written, exceled it.

You don't know any of that. An actor portrays his character as directed. You just do not understand anything about TV and movie production. Like I said, Dark Knight was /written/ to be the dark counterpuncture to the first Batman's lighter, more comical offering. That is in large part why each actor was chosen, Jack has a storied history at doing comedy very successfully.

Each brought out different aspects of the Joker character, with Nicholson's being more crazy and insane to Hedger's more sinister and brooding portrayal.

Nicholson's Joker was written that he went insane from the toxic chemical spill he was exposed to, while Ledger's Joker was written to be a dark and vengeful character which resulted from his father's childhood abuse.

Nicholson's Joker smile was the result of chemicals affecting his facial muscles; Ledger's Joker smile was the result of child abuse suffered at his cruel father's hands.

Two different characters who both happen to just have the same name.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

You don't know any of that. An actor portrays his character as directed. You just do not understand anything about TV and movie production. Like I said, Dark Knight was /written/ to be the dark counterpuncture to the first Batman's lighter, more comical offering. That is in large part why each actor was chosen, Jack has a storied history at doing comedy very successfully.

Each brought out different aspects of the Joker character, with Nicholson's being more crazy and insane to Hedger's more sinister and brooding portrayal.

Nicholson's Joker was written that he went insane from the toxic chemical spill he was exposed to, while Ledger's Joker was written to be a dark and vengeful character which resulted from his father's childhood abuse.

Nicholson's Joker smile was the result of chemicals affecting his facial muscles; Ledger's Joker smile was the result of child abuse suffered at his cruel father's hands.

Two different characters who both happen to just have the same name.

Haha!... I don't understand... LOL
You are not understanding.
Like I don't know there is a difference in approach to the story between the two films... a 6th grader knows that. Jesus.
You are not understanding what I am saying, because you are only "hearing" your own thoughts.
Nicholson was to portray a more "loony" character, Heath a darker more sinister character.
What I am saying is that Heath did his character, for what it was supposed to be - whole levels better than Nicholson did his character as it was supposed to be.
Actors sometimes can take a character and just blow it up. Make it mesmerizing.
Other example - Daniel Day Lewis - there will be blood. He made the movie. He took a character and just killed it.
Another - Bill Murray in "What about Bob?"
Now it is easier to think that DDL did his better because the movie is far more memorable, and the other is just a silly movie. That is where you think my head is.
It isn't.
If anyone else played Bob in What about Bob other than Murray, It would have likely been a bomb. Murray took that character and slayed it. Made it come alive.
Nicholson did not do that. Heath did.

 

[Quasar44]

Really? Jack Nicholson? Embarrassment? Nicholson is one of the most dramatic and accomplished actors of the modern era. The difference between Nicholson's Joker and Heath Ledger's was just that the screenplay treatment for the first Batman movie was written to play closer to the lighter comic book TV aspect of the Batman theme whereas the later Dark Knight treatment was written to play closer to the gritty, dirty, real life aspect of the original Bob Kane concept of a masked crusader.

To do it any other way would have meant far too much overlap between the two movies.

I really thought Dark Knight Rises sucked

 

[Quasar44]

You don't know any of that. An actor portrays his character as directed. You just do not understand anything about TV and movie production. Like I said, Dark Knight was /written/ to be the dark counterpuncture to the first Batman's lighter, more comical offering. That is in large part why each actor was chosen, Jack has a storied history at doing comedy very successfully.

Each brought out different aspects of the Joker character, with Nicholson's being more crazy and insane to Hedger's more sinister and brooding portrayal.

Nicholson's Joker was written that he went insane from the toxic chemical spill he was exposed to, while Ledger's Joker was written to be a dark and vengeful character which resulted from his father's childhood abuse.

Nicholson's Joker smile was the result of chemicals affecting his facial muscles; Ledger's Joker smile was the result of child abuse suffered at his cruel father's hands.

Two different characters who both happen to just have the same name.

Why did Batman let him drop into the chemicals ??

He did not know he killed his parents


89 Joker is utterly superb

 

[Quasar44]

i do like 89 Batman and not so much for returns

The sexual tension with penguin was just wrong

 

[toobfreak]

Haha!... I don't understand... LOL

Yep. End of discussion. You have your views and I have mine. Topic not worth arguing further.

 

[toobfreak]

I really thought Dark Knight Rises sucked

Well, people often say that when a movie does not meet expectations, and this was following The Dark Knight (which did not quite end the way people expected). Rises had things I'd change but it also had things I liked which added to the total work of the latter Bale/Batman saga, so I'll take that overall as a plus.

BTW, the 'Batman' MP movie saga is just about the only movie saga I support there being further experiment/development in; Godzilla probably being the only other.

 

[Quasar44]

Well, people often say that when a movie does not meet expectations, and this was following The Dark Knight (which did not quite end the way people expected). Rises had things I'd change but it also had things I liked which added to the total work of the latter Bale/Batman saga, so I'll take that overall as a plus.

BTW, the 'Batman' MP movie saga is just about the only movie saga I support there being further experiment/development in; Godzilla probably being the only other.

I also love predator movies!!!


DKR ?? I am supposed to believe Bruce has been in a deep depression for 8 years due to a women he never dated and how is he injured if he retired after joker !! The entire movie is loaded with massive plot holes

The Batman was good and you should see it

 

[toobfreak]

I also love predator movies!!!

I do too but I think they've played out the whole Predator thing. Same with Alien. Even good is only so good.
Who ever thought I'd say: "Enough Star Wars already!"

DKR ?? I am supposed to believe Bruce has been in a deep depression for 8 years due to a women he never dated and how is he injured if he retired after joker !! The entire movie is loaded with massive plot holes

That was up to Bale to sell to the audience (he failed) and up to the writers (they failed).

The Batman was good and you should see it

If we cross paths, I will check it out. Batman is my favorite superhero because he was one of the very few who was really just an ordinary man completely dependent on his super-gadgets, combined with a dark and sinister figure fighting the crime element but always right on the edge himself of going over the edge into the dark side, too.

I mean, had he wanted to, Batman could have been the ultimate super-villain.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I do too but I think they've played out the whole Predator thing. Same with Alien. Even good is only so good.
Who ever thought I'd say: "Enough Star Wars already!"


That was up to Bale to sell to the audience (he failed) and up to the writers (they failed).


If we cross paths, I will check it out. Batman is my favorite superhero because he was one of the very few who was really just an ordinary man completely dependent on his super-gadgets, combined with a dark and sinister figure fighting the crime element but always right on the edge himself of going over the edge into the dark side, too.

I mean, had he wanted to, Batman could have been the ultimate super-villain.

Superman has said that because of his cunning Batman is the most dangerous of the JLA....

 

[Quasar44]

I do too but I think they've played out the whole Predator thing. Same with Alien. Even good is only so good.
Who ever thought I'd say: "Enough Star Wars already!"


That was up to Bale to sell to the audience (he failed) and up to the writers (they failed).


If we cross paths, I will check it out. Batman is my favorite superhero because he was one of the very few who was really just an ordinary man completely dependent on his super-gadgets, combined with a dark and sinister figure fighting the crime element but always right on the edge himself of going over the edge into the dark side, too.

I mean, had he wanted to, Batman could have been the ultimate super-villain.

Yes SW is utter trash and alien has been exhausted !!

I think Pred has a lot to offer in various time periods and even different planets

 

[Quasar44]

I do too but I think they've played out the whole Predator thing. Same with Alien. Even good is only so good.
Who ever thought I'd say: "Enough Star Wars already!"


That was up to Bale to sell to the audience (he failed) and up to the writers (they failed).


If we cross paths, I will check it out. Batman is my favorite superhero because he was one of the very few who was really just an ordinary man completely dependent on his super-gadgets, combined with a dark and sinister figure fighting the crime element but always right on the edge himself of going over the edge into the dark side, too.

I mean, had he wanted to, Batman could have been the ultimate super-villain.

Alien Romulus and Prey are both ok
And a little above avg

 

[toobfreak]

Yes SW is utter trash and alien has been exhausted !!
I think Pred has a lot to offer in various time periods and even different planets

I never said any of that. I merely said that all of the viable story lines for those three had already been exploited and any further movie treatments were only going to repeat themes already covered leading the franchise and viewer into exhaustion.

Why take a great idea like Star Wars, Alien or Predator and run it into the ground? All that does is take away from the specialness that the original movies really were.

I would rather rewatch a fabulously great and epic rerun than see a badly conceived and tired new movie.

 

[Quasar44]

I never said any of that. I merely said that all of the viable story lines for those three had already been exploited and any further movie treatments were only going to repeat themes already covered leading the franchise and viewer into exhaustion.

Why take a great idea like Star Wars, Alien or Predator and run it into the ground? All that does is take away from the specialness that the original movies really were.

I would rather rewatch a fabulously great and epic rerun than see a badly conceived and tired new movie.

We could do predator vs Vikings or Samurai

 

[toobfreak]

We could do predator vs Vikings or Samurai

I would rather see a movie treatment adding Predators and Aliens to the battle at Little BigHorn to see how it affects the outcome of the fall of General Custer.

Or maybe we could do a theme on Predator showing up at the Last Supper and Jesus fighting them off with a light saber.

 

[toobfreak]

We could do predator vs Vikings or Samurai

Seriously, the mark of a great movie like Star Wars, Blade Runner, Terminator, Predator, Alien, Batman, et al, is that they are timeless classics, I never grow tired of watching them. If anything, these movies only grow better and more appreciated with time.

I'd far rather watch Predator again with Arnold and Jesse Ventura and his mini gun in the jungle again, than I would watch a lame-o remake with Predators being discovered at the south pole fighting the polar bears for their fresh seal meat.

Face it: all of the really great movie treatments have all been already thought up and done beautifully between the 1970s and the 1990s.

 

[Quasar44]

I would rather see a movie treatment adding Predators and Aliens to the battle at Little BigHorn to see how it affects the outcome of the fall of General Custer.

Or maybe we could do a theme on Predator showing up at the Last Supper and Jesus fighting them off with a light saber.

How

Seriously, the mark of a great movie like Star Wars, Blade Runner, Terminator, Predator, Alien, Batman, et al, is that they are timeless classics, I never grow tired of watching them. If anything, these movies only grow better and more appreciated with time.

I'd far rather watch Predator again with Arnold and Jesse Ventura and his mini gun in the jungle again, than I would watch a lame-o remake with Predators being discovered at the south pole fighting the polar bears for their fresh seal meat.

Face it: all of the really great movie treatments have all been already thought up and done beautifully between the 1970s and the 1990s.

Most but LOTR was 2000s and was Dark Knight

 

[toobfreak]

Most but LOTR was 2000s and was Dark Knight

And the 2010-2013 era with Dark Knight Rises, JJ Abrams Star Trek, Avatar was right around the time I called it quits to going to the theater to see another movie in the theater.

I'm not sure, but my last feature run movie in the theater might have been going to see Star Trek: Into Darkness in 3-D.
A movie in 3D--- boy was that ever a mistake.

 

[Quasar44]

And the 2010-2013 era with Dark Knight Rises, JJ Abrams Star Trek, Avatar was right around the time I called it quits to going to the theater to see another movie in the theater.

I'm not sure, but my last feature run movie in the theater might have been going to see Star Trek: Into Darkness in 3-D.
A movie in 3D--- boy was that ever a mistake.

I did like the Batman , Rogue One, Alien Romulus and Prey