Tightening The Noose On Liberty

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PoliSpice gets her ass handed to her and just keeps on posting. She's like an eXtreme rw energizer bunny

 

[nuhuh]

Imprisonment for criminals!!

Right you are!!



Too bad Liberals don't....and therefore increase the danger to innocent Americans.

Fascism, A form of government that seeks to control the masses = the same as Conservatism.

In fact, just the opposite.

Do you know you're lying...or has it become second nature?

What did I say that was a lie? I think you are deflecting again to avoid talking about the truth.

She's not interested in truth or debate at all. Only spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears.

"...spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears."

Well....OK...you convinced me you need a lesson.

1. Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of [Liberal] federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts…
2. .Activist (read 'Liberal') judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.” Activist Judges Earn Dunce Caps For Their Prison Caps
   1. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.

3. "There is an activist (read 'Liberal') judge behind each of the most perverse failures of today's justice system: violent offenders serving barely 40 percent of their sentences; 3.5 million criminals, most of them repeat offenders, on the streets on probation and parole; 35 percent of all persons arrested forviolent crime on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of their arrest." (Article cited.)



Now, what were you mumbling about "not interested in truth or debate at all."

Everything I post is true and accurate.

Everything.

You're so full of shit I can see it sticking out.

"Fascism (read Conservatism) is considered a political philosophy characterized by the belief that government should use coercion and force to rule the people, usually by means of a mass-based, militant ultra-nationalist political party. Throughout history, fascist governments have killed or imprisoned large populations of specific races, nationalities and people of different religions, and have used violent means to increase their power both internally and externally.

Liberal democracy can be considered a form of government that encourages all people within a country’s borders to participate in government activities through the expression of their own beliefs and opinions, even when those beliefs are in opposition to those of the ruling party. Liberalism can mean either the belief in freedom from government control or the belief in a less conservative, or more progressive, government system.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So giving all the power to the 2% is somehow going to increase our liberty? LIberty to be thrown on the cold street, liberty to eat poison food and liberty to own slave.

Your idea of liberty really sucks.

Only prob is that you made all of that up.
That's why you didn't quote anything I said.

You're a moron, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Fascism, A form of government that seeks to control the masses = the same as Conservatism.

In fact, just the opposite.

Do you know you're lying...or has it become second nature?

What did I say that was a lie? I think you are deflecting again to avoid talking about the truth.

She's not interested in truth or debate at all. Only spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears.

"...spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears."

Well....OK...you convinced me you need a lesson.

1. Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of [Liberal] federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts…
2. .Activist (read 'Liberal') judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.” Activist Judges Earn Dunce Caps For Their Prison Caps
   1. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.

3. "There is an activist (read 'Liberal') judge behind each of the most perverse failures of today's justice system: violent offenders serving barely 40 percent of their sentences; 3.5 million criminals, most of them repeat offenders, on the streets on probation and parole; 35 percent of all persons arrested forviolent crime on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of their arrest." (Article cited.)



Now, what were you mumbling about "not interested in truth or debate at all."

Everything I post is true and accurate.

Everything.

You're so full of shit I can see it sticking out.

"Fascism (read Conservatism) is considered a political philosophy characterized by the belief that government should use coercion and force to rule the people, usually by means of a mass-based, militant ultra-nationalist political party. Throughout history, fascist governments have killed or imprisoned large populations of specific races, nationalities and people of different religions, and have used violent means to increase their power both internally and externally.

Liberal democracy can be considered a form of government that encourages all people within a country’s borders to participate in government activities through the expression of their own beliefs and opinions, even when those beliefs are in opposition to those of the ruling party. Liberalism can mean either the belief in freedom from government control or the belief in a less conservative, or more progressive, government system.

Look how easily I reduce you to vulgarity.
People do that when the are so angry at being revealed as wrong....that's why I never resort to it.

But, I'm a generous person....so here, to help you understand the terminology:


...let's smack you in the kisser one more time:
... communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, Liberalism, Progressivism...are all 'fruit of the same poison tree.'

You wrote: "They're not all from the same tree, blah blah blah...."

Here is a little quiz that will show just how wrong you are:


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

 

[nuhuh]

In fact, just the opposite.

Do you know you're lying...or has it become second nature?

What did I say that was a lie? I think you are deflecting again to avoid talking about the truth.

She's not interested in truth or debate at all. Only spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears.

"...spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears."

Well....OK...you convinced me you need a lesson.

1. Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of [Liberal] federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts…
2. .Activist (read 'Liberal') judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.” Activist Judges Earn Dunce Caps For Their Prison Caps
   1. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.

3. "There is an activist (read 'Liberal') judge behind each of the most perverse failures of today's justice system: violent offenders serving barely 40 percent of their sentences; 3.5 million criminals, most of them repeat offenders, on the streets on probation and parole; 35 percent of all persons arrested forviolent crime on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of their arrest." (Article cited.)



Now, what were you mumbling about "not interested in truth or debate at all."

Everything I post is true and accurate.

Everything.

You're so full of shit I can see it sticking out.

"Fascism (read Conservatism) is considered a political philosophy characterized by the belief that government should use coercion and force to rule the people, usually by means of a mass-based, militant ultra-nationalist political party. Throughout history, fascist governments have killed or imprisoned large populations of specific races, nationalities and people of different religions, and have used violent means to increase their power both internally and externally.

Liberal democracy can be considered a form of government that encourages all people within a country’s borders to participate in government activities through the expression of their own beliefs and opinions, even when those beliefs are in opposition to those of the ruling party. Liberalism can mean either the belief in freedom from government control or the belief in a less conservative, or more progressive, government system.

Look how easily I reduce you to vulgarity.
People do that when the are so angry at being revealed as wrong....that's why I never resort to it.

But, I'm a generous person....so here, to help you understand the terminology:


...let's smack you in the kisser one more time:
... communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, Liberalism, Progressivism...are all 'fruit of the same poison tree.'

You wrote: "They're not all from the same tree, blah blah blah...."

Here is a little quiz that will show just how wrong you are:


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Ahhh, ha, ha, ha,

Prior to World War II, some American companies (like Prescott Bush, DuPonts who owned 30% of Opel Germany, Henry Ford, who funded the Nazi Party, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, supported fascist elements overseas, and although their rhetoric was generally anti-capitalist, fascists usually served U.S. business interests better than their Communist counterparts. During the war, American companies cut their ties with the fascist elements and began providing supplies and armaments to the Communist-controlled Soviet Union. Since the end of the war, Americans have worked to create capitalist, free-market systems in former fascist and communist countries alike. This is in alignment with traditional liberal democracy, which takes a laissez-faire approach to economic policy and offers private businesses a great deal of autonomy and protection.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What did I say that was a lie? I think you are deflecting again to avoid talking about the truth.

She's not interested in truth or debate at all. Only spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears.

"...spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears."

Well....OK...you convinced me you need a lesson.

1. Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of [Liberal] federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts…
2. .Activist (read 'Liberal') judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.” Activist Judges Earn Dunce Caps For Their Prison Caps
   1. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.

3. "There is an activist (read 'Liberal') judge behind each of the most perverse failures of today's justice system: violent offenders serving barely 40 percent of their sentences; 3.5 million criminals, most of them repeat offenders, on the streets on probation and parole; 35 percent of all persons arrested forviolent crime on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of their arrest." (Article cited.)



Now, what were you mumbling about "not interested in truth or debate at all."

Everything I post is true and accurate.

Everything.

You're so full of shit I can see it sticking out.

"Fascism (read Conservatism) is considered a political philosophy characterized by the belief that government should use coercion and force to rule the people, usually by means of a mass-based, militant ultra-nationalist political party. Throughout history, fascist governments have killed or imprisoned large populations of specific races, nationalities and people of different religions, and have used violent means to increase their power both internally and externally.

Liberal democracy can be considered a form of government that encourages all people within a country’s borders to participate in government activities through the expression of their own beliefs and opinions, even when those beliefs are in opposition to those of the ruling party. Liberalism can mean either the belief in freedom from government control or the belief in a less conservative, or more progressive, government system.

Look how easily I reduce you to vulgarity.
People do that when the are so angry at being revealed as wrong....that's why I never resort to it.

But, I'm a generous person....so here, to help you understand the terminology:


...let's smack you in the kisser one more time:
... communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, Liberalism, Progressivism...are all 'fruit of the same poison tree.'

You wrote: "They're not all from the same tree, blah blah blah...."

Here is a little quiz that will show just how wrong you are:


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Ahhh, ha, ha, ha,

Prior to World War II, some American companies (like Prescott Bush, DuPonts who owned 30% of Opel Germany, Henry Ford, who funded the Nazi Party, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, supported fascist elements overseas, and although their rhetoric was generally anti-capitalist, fascists usually served U.S. business interests better than their Communist counterparts. During the war, American companies cut their ties with the fascist elements and began providing supplies and armaments to the Communist-controlled Soviet Union. Since the end of the war, Americans have worked to create capitalist, free-market systems in former fascist and communist countries alike. This is in alignment with traditional liberal democracy, which takes a laissez-faire approach to economic policy and offers private businesses a great deal of autonomy and protection.

Stop bloviating and take the quiz.

 

[nuhuh]

She's not interested in truth or debate at all. Only spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears.

"...spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears."

Well....OK...you convinced me you need a lesson.

1. Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of [Liberal] federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts…
2. .Activist (read 'Liberal') judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.” Activist Judges Earn Dunce Caps For Their Prison Caps
   1. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.

3. "There is an activist (read 'Liberal') judge behind each of the most perverse failures of today's justice system: violent offenders serving barely 40 percent of their sentences; 3.5 million criminals, most of them repeat offenders, on the streets on probation and parole; 35 percent of all persons arrested forviolent crime on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of their arrest." (Article cited.)



Now, what were you mumbling about "not interested in truth or debate at all."

Everything I post is true and accurate.

Everything.

You're so full of shit I can see it sticking out.

"Fascism (read Conservatism) is considered a political philosophy characterized by the belief that government should use coercion and force to rule the people, usually by means of a mass-based, militant ultra-nationalist political party. Throughout history, fascist governments have killed or imprisoned large populations of specific races, nationalities and people of different religions, and have used violent means to increase their power both internally and externally.

Liberal democracy can be considered a form of government that encourages all people within a country’s borders to participate in government activities through the expression of their own beliefs and opinions, even when those beliefs are in opposition to those of the ruling party. Liberalism can mean either the belief in freedom from government control or the belief in a less conservative, or more progressive, government system.

Look how easily I reduce you to vulgarity.
People do that when the are so angry at being revealed as wrong....that's why I never resort to it.

But, I'm a generous person....so here, to help you understand the terminology:


...let's smack you in the kisser one more time:
... communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, Liberalism, Progressivism...are all 'fruit of the same poison tree.'

You wrote: "They're not all from the same tree, blah blah blah...."

Here is a little quiz that will show just how wrong you are:


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Ahhh, ha, ha, ha,

Prior to World War II, some American companies (like Prescott Bush, DuPonts who owned 30% of Opel Germany, Henry Ford, who funded the Nazi Party, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, supported fascist elements overseas, and although their rhetoric was generally anti-capitalist, fascists usually served U.S. business interests better than their Communist counterparts. During the war, American companies cut their ties with the fascist elements and began providing supplies and armaments to the Communist-controlled Soviet Union. Since the end of the war, Americans have worked to create capitalist, free-market systems in former fascist and communist countries alike. This is in alignment with traditional liberal democracy, which takes a laissez-faire approach to economic policy and offers private businesses a great deal of autonomy and protection.

Stop bloviating and take the quiz.

 

[westwall]

Gee....I put this in post #92....

"It must be said that Obama is not the first Liberal/Progressive/Democrat to champion the criminal rather than the law-abiding citizen."


Must be stipulated....no one disagreed.
Just patently obvious, I guess.

Just more of your fascism, criminals having no rights. In your world it's rights for you but not the other guy...

Ummm, criminals have already shown they don't care about the rights of others so why exactly should we care about theirs?

Because you, especially as the state, are supposed to be better than they are. It's not an eye for an eye.

Wrong. I don't believe in harming people. I also KNOW that once a person has shown a propensity to resort to violence they will CONTINUE to do so. Thus, the only alternative to your method (murder, presumably) is to lock them up. They have shown what they do. We just choose to not let them do it to us.

Were you a thinking person you could understand that very simple concept.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"...spamming the anti-liberal crap she hears."

Well....OK...you convinced me you need a lesson.

1. Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of [Liberal] federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …single-handedly decriminalized property and drug crimes in the City of Brotherly Love….And in the past 18 months alone, 9,732 arrestees, out on the streets on pre-trial release because of her prison cap, were arrested on second charges, including 79 murders, 90 rapes, 701 burglaries, 959 robberies, 1,113 assaults, 2,215 drug offenses and 2,748 thefts…
2. .Activist (read 'Liberal') judges such as Shapiro and Justice assert that prison crowding violates the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishments. But there is no empirical evidence to substantiate this assertion. In every study of the subject, the widely believed negative effects of crowding - violence, program disruption, health problems and so on - are nowhere in evidence.” Activist Judges Earn Dunce Caps For Their Prison Caps
   1. In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Liberals lied, black kids died.

3. "There is an activist (read 'Liberal') judge behind each of the most perverse failures of today's justice system: violent offenders serving barely 40 percent of their sentences; 3.5 million criminals, most of them repeat offenders, on the streets on probation and parole; 35 percent of all persons arrested forviolent crime on probation, parole or pretrial release at the time of their arrest." (Article cited.)



Now, what were you mumbling about "not interested in truth or debate at all."

Everything I post is true and accurate.

Everything.

You're so full of shit I can see it sticking out.

"Fascism (read Conservatism) is considered a political philosophy characterized by the belief that government should use coercion and force to rule the people, usually by means of a mass-based, militant ultra-nationalist political party. Throughout history, fascist governments have killed or imprisoned large populations of specific races, nationalities and people of different religions, and have used violent means to increase their power both internally and externally.

Liberal democracy can be considered a form of government that encourages all people within a country’s borders to participate in government activities through the expression of their own beliefs and opinions, even when those beliefs are in opposition to those of the ruling party. Liberalism can mean either the belief in freedom from government control or the belief in a less conservative, or more progressive, government system.

Look how easily I reduce you to vulgarity.
People do that when the are so angry at being revealed as wrong....that's why I never resort to it.

But, I'm a generous person....so here, to help you understand the terminology:


...let's smack you in the kisser one more time:
... communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, Liberalism, Progressivism...are all 'fruit of the same poison tree.'

You wrote: "They're not all from the same tree, blah blah blah...."

Here is a little quiz that will show just how wrong you are:


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Ahhh, ha, ha, ha,

Prior to World War II, some American companies (like Prescott Bush, DuPonts who owned 30% of Opel Germany, Henry Ford, who funded the Nazi Party, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, supported fascist elements overseas, and although their rhetoric was generally anti-capitalist, fascists usually served U.S. business interests better than their Communist counterparts. During the war, American companies cut their ties with the fascist elements and began providing supplies and armaments to the Communist-controlled Soviet Union. Since the end of the war, Americans have worked to create capitalist, free-market systems in former fascist and communist countries alike. This is in alignment with traditional liberal democracy, which takes a laissez-faire approach to economic policy and offers private businesses a great deal of autonomy and protection.

Stop bloviating and take the quiz.

You can run, but you can't hide.

 

[nuhuh]

You're so full of shit I can see it sticking out.

"Fascism (read Conservatism) is considered a political philosophy characterized by the belief that government should use coercion and force to rule the people, usually by means of a mass-based, militant ultra-nationalist political party. Throughout history, fascist governments have killed or imprisoned large populations of specific races, nationalities and people of different religions, and have used violent means to increase their power both internally and externally.

Liberal democracy can be considered a form of government that encourages all people within a country’s borders to participate in government activities through the expression of their own beliefs and opinions, even when those beliefs are in opposition to those of the ruling party. Liberalism can mean either the belief in freedom from government control or the belief in a less conservative, or more progressive, government system.

Look how easily I reduce you to vulgarity.
People do that when the are so angry at being revealed as wrong....that's why I never resort to it.

But, I'm a generous person....so here, to help you understand the terminology:


...let's smack you in the kisser one more time:
... communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, Liberalism, Progressivism...are all 'fruit of the same poison tree.'

You wrote: "They're not all from the same tree, blah blah blah...."

Here is a little quiz that will show just how wrong you are:


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Ahhh, ha, ha, ha,

Prior to World War II, some American companies (like Prescott Bush, DuPonts who owned 30% of Opel Germany, Henry Ford, who funded the Nazi Party, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, supported fascist elements overseas, and although their rhetoric was generally anti-capitalist, fascists usually served U.S. business interests better than their Communist counterparts. During the war, American companies cut their ties with the fascist elements and began providing supplies and armaments to the Communist-controlled Soviet Union. Since the end of the war, Americans have worked to create capitalist, free-market systems in former fascist and communist countries alike. This is in alignment with traditional liberal democracy, which takes a laissez-faire approach to economic policy and offers private businesses a great deal of autonomy and protection.

Stop bloviating and take the quiz.

You can run, but you can't hide.

Well I'm glad you brought that up. You've been deflecting this entire thread bringing up non essential points and refusing to answer questions put to you. Your mind is so open the wind whistles through it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gee....I put this in post #92....

"It must be said that Obama is not the first Liberal/Progressive/Democrat to champion the criminal rather than the law-abiding citizen."


Must be stipulated....no one disagreed.
Just patently obvious, I guess.

Just more of your fascism, criminals having no rights. In your world it's rights for you but not the other guy...

Ummm, criminals have already shown they don't care about the rights of others so why exactly should we care about theirs?

Because you, especially as the state, are supposed to be better than they are. It's not an eye for an eye.

Wrong. I don't believe in harming people. I also KNOW that once a person has shown a propensity to resort to violence they will CONTINUE to do so. Thus, the only alternative to your method (murder, presumably) is to lock them up. They have shown what they do. We just choose to not let them do it to us.

Were you a thinking person you could understand that very simple concept.

There really seems to be something wrong with Liberal.....no matter the logic or even the experience....they continue down the road to failure.

1. 1. The basic idea that liberal judges and politicians were pushing was that society should be nice to criminals, so they would re-pay us with law-abiding behavior. Lyndon Johnson’s attorney-general Ramsey Clark,: “" The theory of rehabilitation is based on the belief that healthy, rational people will not injure others, that they will understand that the individual and his society are best served by conduct that does not inflict injury, that a just society has the ability to provide health and purpose and opportunity for all its citizens. Rehabilitated, an individual will not have the capacity - cannot bring himself - to injure another or take or destroy property. "
      1. Of course, if that were true, he wouldn’t have committed crimes in the first place.
      2. Despite being insane, the reformers won out. The test of public policy vs. human nature began!
      3. Need empirical evidence? With Liberals in charge, crime rates skyrocketed. By 1974, the murder rate was over twice that of 1961. Between 1960 and 1976, a citizen’s chances of becoming a victim of a major violent crime tripled. Thomas Sowell, “The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy,”., p.27

That's Liberalism: leave the dog to guard the cheeseburgers.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Gee....I put this in post #92....

"It must be said that Obama is not the first Liberal/Progressive/Democrat to champion the criminal rather than the law-abiding citizen."


Must be stipulated....no one disagreed.
Just patently obvious, I guess.

Just more of your fascism, criminals having no rights. In your world it's rights for you but not the other guy...

Ummm, criminals have already shown they don't care about the rights of others so why exactly should we care about theirs?

Because you, especially as the state, are supposed to be better than they are. It's not an eye for an eye.

Wrong. I don't believe in harming people. I also KNOW that once a person has shown a propensity to resort to violence they will CONTINUE to do so. Thus, the only alternative to your method (murder, presumably) is to lock them up. They have shown what they do. We just choose to not let them do it to us.

Were you a thinking person you could understand that very simple concept.

You want a police-state, I do not. Even criminals have rights in my real version of America. Let's hope it stays that way, even for your sake.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Look how easily I reduce you to vulgarity.
People do that when the are so angry at being revealed as wrong....that's why I never resort to it.

But, I'm a generous person....so here, to help you understand the terminology:


...let's smack you in the kisser one more time:
... communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, Liberalism, Progressivism...are all 'fruit of the same poison tree.'

You wrote: "They're not all from the same tree, blah blah blah...."

Here is a little quiz that will show just how wrong you are:


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Ahhh, ha, ha, ha,

Prior to World War II, some American companies (like Prescott Bush, DuPonts who owned 30% of Opel Germany, Henry Ford, who funded the Nazi Party, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, supported fascist elements overseas, and although their rhetoric was generally anti-capitalist, fascists usually served U.S. business interests better than their Communist counterparts. During the war, American companies cut their ties with the fascist elements and began providing supplies and armaments to the Communist-controlled Soviet Union. Since the end of the war, Americans have worked to create capitalist, free-market systems in former fascist and communist countries alike. This is in alignment with traditional liberal democracy, which takes a laissez-faire approach to economic policy and offers private businesses a great deal of autonomy and protection.

Stop bloviating and take the quiz.

You can run, but you can't hide.

Well I'm glad you brought that up. You've been deflecting this entire thread bringing up non essential points and refusing to answer questions put to you. Your mind is so open the wind whistles through it.

Ten question quiz......give it a try.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gee....I put this in post #92....

"It must be said that Obama is not the first Liberal/Progressive/Democrat to champion the criminal rather than the law-abiding citizen."


Must be stipulated....no one disagreed.
Just patently obvious, I guess.

Just more of your fascism, criminals having no rights. In your world it's rights for you but not the other guy...

Ummm, criminals have already shown they don't care about the rights of others so why exactly should we care about theirs?

Because you, especially as the state, are supposed to be better than they are. It's not an eye for an eye.

Wrong. I don't believe in harming people. I also KNOW that once a person has shown a propensity to resort to violence they will CONTINUE to do so. Thus, the only alternative to your method (murder, presumably) is to lock them up. They have shown what they do. We just choose to not let them do it to us.

Were you a thinking person you could understand that very simple concept.

You want a police-state, I do not. Even criminals have rights in my real version of America. Let's hope it stays that way, even for your sake.

No, Uncle Leftie.....it's you communists/fascists/Liberals who have and will perpetuate a police state.

I simply want justice for the victims and the criminals.
You know what justice is, don't you?

 

[nuhuh]

Ahhh, ha, ha, ha,

Prior to World War II, some American companies (like Prescott Bush, DuPonts who owned 30% of Opel Germany, Henry Ford, who funded the Nazi Party, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, supported fascist elements overseas, and although their rhetoric was generally anti-capitalist, fascists usually served U.S. business interests better than their Communist counterparts. During the war, American companies cut their ties with the fascist elements and began providing supplies and armaments to the Communist-controlled Soviet Union. Since the end of the war, Americans have worked to create capitalist, free-market systems in former fascist and communist countries alike. This is in alignment with traditional liberal democracy, which takes a laissez-faire approach to economic policy and offers private businesses a great deal of autonomy and protection.

Stop bloviating and take the quiz.

You can run, but you can't hide.

Well I'm glad you brought that up. You've been deflecting this entire thread bringing up non essential points and refusing to answer questions put to you. Your mind is so open the wind whistles through it.

Ten question quiz......give it a try.

Sure, right after you answer all the questions posed to you.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Just more of your fascism, criminals having no rights. In your world it's rights for you but not the other guy...

Ummm, criminals have already shown they don't care about the rights of others so why exactly should we care about theirs?

Because you, especially as the state, are supposed to be better than they are. It's not an eye for an eye.

Wrong. I don't believe in harming people. I also KNOW that once a person has shown a propensity to resort to violence they will CONTINUE to do so. Thus, the only alternative to your method (murder, presumably) is to lock them up. They have shown what they do. We just choose to not let them do it to us.

Were you a thinking person you could understand that very simple concept.

You want a police-state, I do not. Even criminals have rights in my real version of America. Let's hope it stays that way, even for your sake.

No, Uncle Leftie.....it's you communists/fascists/Liberals who have and will perpetuate a police state.

I simply want justice for the victims and the criminals.
You know what justice is, don't you?

Something that is difficult, if not impossible, to achieve, but we try anyway, and should. It's the liberal way. Your hang 'em out back is not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stop bloviating and take the quiz.

You can run, but you can't hide.

Well I'm glad you brought that up. You've been deflecting this entire thread bringing up non essential points and refusing to answer questions put to you. Your mind is so open the wind whistles through it.

Ten question quiz......give it a try.

Sure, right after you answer all the questions posed to you.

Well, then let's simply stipulate that the points raised in the ten questions apply to fascism, Liberalism, communism, socialism, Progressivism, and Nazism.


Unless you find any that don't......

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You can run, but you can't hide.

Well I'm glad you brought that up. You've been deflecting this entire thread bringing up non essential points and refusing to answer questions put to you. Your mind is so open the wind whistles through it.

Ten question quiz......give it a try.

Sure, right after you answer all the questions posed to you.

Well, then let's simply stipulate that the points raised in the ten questions apply to fascism, Liberalism, communism, socialism, Progressivism, and Nazism.


Unless you find any that don't......

Marx applies only to two of the above, not all six. And he supported capitalism in a big way since that is step one of three.

 

[nuhuh]

You can run, but you can't hide.

Well I'm glad you brought that up. You've been deflecting this entire thread bringing up non essential points and refusing to answer questions put to you. Your mind is so open the wind whistles through it.

Ten question quiz......give it a try.

Sure, right after you answer all the questions posed to you.

Well, then let's simply stipulate that the points raised in the ten questions apply to fascism, Liberalism, communism, socialism, Progressivism, and Nazism.


Unless you find any that don't......

Let's discuss things in order.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ummm, criminals have already shown they don't care about the rights of others so why exactly should we care about theirs?

Because you, especially as the state, are supposed to be better than they are. It's not an eye for an eye.

Wrong. I don't believe in harming people. I also KNOW that once a person has shown a propensity to resort to violence they will CONTINUE to do so. Thus, the only alternative to your method (murder, presumably) is to lock them up. They have shown what they do. We just choose to not let them do it to us.

Were you a thinking person you could understand that very simple concept.

You want a police-state, I do not. Even criminals have rights in my real version of America. Let's hope it stays that way, even for your sake.

No, Uncle Leftie.....it's you communists/fascists/Liberals who have and will perpetuate a police state.

I simply want justice for the victims and the criminals.
You know what justice is, don't you?

Something that is difficult, if not impossible, to achieve, but we try anyway, and should. It's the liberal way. Your hang 'em out back is not.

The Liberal way?

But that's been proven to be a failure, and an extreme danger to the innocent.

1. The legal community, largely if not entirely, Liberal/Progressive, played a major role in wreaking havoc in the black community. Starting in the sixties, ordinary people, black and white, watched in stupefaction as liberal social reformers came in and jettisoned thousands of years of human knowledge to rewrite criminal laws and government welfare policies. Liberals living in monochromatically white suburbs or doorman buildings in the city said “Let’s try these new ideas that sound really cool, like school busing and deemphasizing prison!” Coulter, "Mugged," chapter six
   1. “In the 2008 election cycle, the industry (read 'lawyers') contributed a massive $234 million to federal political candidates and interests , 76 percent of which went to Democratic candidates and committees.” Lawyers / Law Firms | OpenSecrets
   2. “Trial lawyers are holding steady as one of the Democratic Party's biggest sources of campaign contributions,…” Routine Maintenance

Yet, here you are stating that we should continue with the failures....