Faun
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You should be happy then that the GOP is very possibly be going to run a Canadian for U.S. president.
Thousands storm WWII at Mall; Whooooooooo hoooooooooooo!
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Come again? Sure ... you're a dumb ******* retard. Again, wikipedia is not an authoritative site by any stretch of the imagination.
You're such a ******* retard, it's actually funny. No, that was never a flag of the United States. Here is the very first flag of the United States of America:
USFlag.org: A website dedicated to the Flag of the United States of America - The First United States Flag
The flag you're talking about may not have even existed. Like your knowledge of American history -- it's folklore.
Betsy Ross flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Come again?
You dumbass.
The first flag of the United States was adopted by the Continental Congress in 1777. Before then, there was no official flag representing the United States. Read AND learn ...
The Truth About Betsy Ross
Ross is so beloved and so deeply embedded in the nation’s memory that somehow it seems unpatriotic, if not vaguely treasonous, to cast doubt on her story. The truth, however, is that nobody can prove that Betsy Ross had anything to do with the first official Stars and Stripes.
[...]
Opinions may differ on Ross’s contribution to the creation of the national colors. Yet all parties agree that American revolutionaries were using a variety of flags during the early 1770s to express their distaste for British rule. Some colonists made one that featured a British Union Jack sitting in the upper-left corner of a red field with the words “Liberty and Union” emblazoned in white along the field’s lower half. The tea-tossing Sons of Liberty flew a simple standard with alternating red and white stripes. Another popular ensign sported a coiled rattlesnake on a yellow or red-and-white striped background with the words “Don’t tread on me.” Immediately before the Declaration of Independence, probably the most used unofficial flag of revolution was the Continental Colors. This ensign had a Union Jack in the upper-left corner and alternating red and white stripes. Although unofficial, this banner saw service with American forces. It also had the distinction of being the first American flag saluted by a foreign power.
The Continental Colors, however, had a practical and a symbolic flaw. Because it contained the Union Jack, the flag could create confusion in a battle. When American soldiers raised it outside Boston, British troops thought the conflict was almost over. “By this time, I presume, they begin to think it strange that we have not made a formal surrender of our lines,” George Washington wrote. In addition, this flag did not represent reality. It implied a continuing tie to Great Britain just as a complete break was pending.
Congress recognized that the new nation needed a flag. On June 14, 1777, it passed the country’s first flag law. As legislation goes, it was refreshingly brief: “Resolved. That the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation.” From a twenty-first-century perspective, the Continental Congress’s lack of guidance on the flag’s appearance seems extraordinary. The law said nothing about the flag’s size, shape, or ordering of stripes or the size, type, or arrangement of stars. The legislation implicitly gave flag makers latitude for the creation. So the fledgling United States probably could have used somebody like Betsy Ross to get things organized. The first hint that she did, however, did not surface nationally until almost a century after America declared independence from England. In 1870, her grandson, William Canby, told her story publicly for the first time, delivering a paper titled “The History of the Flag of the United States” to the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. According to Canby, Ross’s involvement with the flag began in 1776, a year before Congress passed its first flag resolution.
Did I make any such contentions? No. Be quiet. My contention was that the Betsy Ross flag was (before the flag law was passed, you dimwit) the most widely used form of the flag until then. It was also the earliest known flag depicting our 13 colonies. I've already explained this to you. You cannot read to save your liberal hide.
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Teabaggers cheered and gloated over shutting down the American government, then wrapped themselves in the flag for a photo-op with veterans. A fiction writer would edit out that scene - he wouldn't think it believable.
If you hadn't alluded to Gravity's Rainbow I'd have to neg rep you for abject stupidity.
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We've got a Kenyan now, so might as well have a Canadian.You should be happy then that the GOP is very possibly be going to run a Canadian for U.S. president.
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You should be happy then that the GOP is very possibly be going to run a Canadian for U.S. president.
Sure as hell better than a Kenyan
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Trespassing? Property not their own? I'm confused - I thought the WWII memorial and other sites belonged to the citizens of the USA. Are you trying to tell me that they are the personal property or Mr or Mrs Obama?
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The echo chamber seems united in the crisis which seems to be unfolding in Washington, and which may be the forerunner of a much worse economic crisis to come.
The echo chamber is much moved by a quote, out of context by Thomas Jefferson, which is posted in full context below with a link to the full letter:
..."Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.
Sidebar - Tree of Liberty Letter
Of course our resident members of the echo chamber and the luminaries so loved by the author of the OP will not take up arms, s/he and others of that kind are content to sit on the sidelines and let others do their bidding and take the risks.
The echo chamber is much moved by a quote, out of context by Thomas Jefferson, which is posted in full context below with a link to the full letter:
..."Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.
Sidebar - Tree of Liberty Letter
Of course our resident members of the echo chamber and the luminaries so loved by the author of the OP will not take up arms, s/he and others of that kind are content to sit on the sidelines and let others do their bidding and take the risks.
Dont need you to believe my story *****, I have my honorable discharge on my wall and a retirement paycheck every month to prove it to the bank.
Sorry, don't believe that either, you just don't have that personality. You seem more like a bitter old phart with no sense of working towards a goal for the greater good.
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Dont need you to believe my story *****, I have my honorable discharge on my wall and a retirement paycheck every month to prove it to the bank.
Sorry, don't believe that either, you just don't have that personality. You seem more like a bitter old phart with no sense of working towards a goal for the greater good.
That's strike three, Sarah. How do you denigrate a man's service that way? What makes you think you know him? He's right you know. You are a *****.
Dot Com
Nullius in verba
Teabaggers cheered and gloated over shutting down the American government, then wrapped themselves in the flag for a photo-op with veterans. A fiction writer would edit out that scene - he wouldn't think it believable.
^ that
Dot Com
Nullius in verba
Dont need you to believe my story *****, I have my honorable discharge on my wall and a retirement paycheck every month to prove it to the bank.
Sorry, don't believe that either, you just don't have that personality. You seem more like a bitter old phart with no sense of working towards a goal for the greater good.
he's just as admirable as Warbler.
Thats why I have that retard stalker- NLT on ignore.
Faun
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Of course you did. But I understand why you're trying to run away from your own comments now ...Come again? Sure ... you're a dumb ******* retard. Again, wikipedia is not an authoritative site by any stretch of the imagination.
The first flag of the United States was adopted by the Continental Congress in 1777. Before then, there was no official flag representing the United States. Read AND learn ...
The Truth About Betsy Ross
Ross is so beloved and so deeply embedded in the nationÂ’s memory that somehow it seems unpatriotic, if not vaguely treasonous, to cast doubt on her story. The truth, however, is that nobody can prove that Betsy Ross had anything to do with the first official Stars and Stripes.
[...]
Opinions may differ on Ross’s contribution to the creation of the national colors. Yet all parties agree that American revolutionaries were using a variety of flags during the early 1770s to express their distaste for British rule. Some colonists made one that featured a British Union Jack sitting in the upper-left corner of a red field with the words “Liberty and Union” emblazoned in white along the field’s lower half. The tea-tossing Sons of Liberty flew a simple standard with alternating red and white stripes. Another popular ensign sported a coiled rattlesnake on a yellow or red-and-white striped background with the words “Don’t tread on me.” Immediately before the Declaration of Independence, probably the most used unofficial flag of revolution was the Continental Colors. This ensign had a Union Jack in the upper-left corner and alternating red and white stripes. Although unofficial, this banner saw service with American forces. It also had the distinction of being the first American flag saluted by a foreign power.
The Continental Colors, however, had a practical and a symbolic flaw. Because it contained the Union Jack, the flag could create confusion in a battle. When American soldiers raised it outside Boston, British troops thought the conflict was almost over. “By this time, I presume, they begin to think it strange that we have not made a formal surrender of our lines,” George Washington wrote. In addition, this flag did not represent reality. It implied a continuing tie to Great Britain just as a complete break was pending.
Congress recognized that the new nation needed a flag. On June 14, 1777, it passed the country’s first flag law. As legislation goes, it was refreshingly brief: “Resolved. That the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation.” From a twenty-first-century perspective, the Continental Congress’s lack of guidance on the flag’s appearance seems extraordinary. The law said nothing about the flag’s size, shape, or ordering of stripes or the size, type, or arrangement of stars. The legislation implicitly gave flag makers latitude for the creation. So the fledgling United States probably could have used somebody like Betsy Ross to get things organized. The first hint that she did, however, did not surface nationally until almost a century after America declared independence from England. In 1870, her grandson, William Canby, told her story publicly for the first time, delivering a paper titled “The History of the Flag of the United States” to the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. According to Canby, Ross’s involvement with the flag began in 1776, a year before Congress passed its first flag resolution.
Did I make any such contentions? No. Be quiet. My contention was that the Betsy Ross flag was (before the flag law was passed, you dimwit) the most widely used form of the flag until then. It was also the earliest known flag depicting our 13 colonies. I've already explained this to you. You cannot read to save your liberal hide.
Faun: "Yeah, too bad they didn't use the American flag though, eh?"
TemplarKormac: "Uh yeah, they did."
No, they didn't. The Betsy Ross flag was no more an American flag than was the flag containing the Union Jack. There were many flags raised in that first year but none of them were officially recognized.
But then, I don't expect a moron who idiotically thinks that Paul Revere rode to warn the British, to know about the history of our flag either.
I don't respect people just because they claim to be vets on a message board. I certainly don't respect you so why even insert yourself into the mix, fatty?
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Except for the fact that, unlike Cruz, Obama was actually born in the U.S..We've got a Kenyan now, so might as well have a Canadian.You should be happy then that the GOP is very possibly be going to run a Canadian for U.S. president.
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Dont need you to believe my story *****, I have my honorable discharge on my wall and a retirement paycheck every month to prove it to the bank.
Sorry, don't believe that either, you just don't have that personality. You seem more like a bitter old phart with no sense of working towards a goal for the greater good.
That's strike three, Sarah. How do you denigrate a man's service that way? What makes you think you know him? He's right you know. You are a *****.
There are too many pretenders to believe everyone who claims to be a vet. When questioned, I posted in detail my GQ's job on a navy warship. I'm not suggesting every vet post their DD-214, but claiming they have their discharge on their wall is weak and proof of nothing.
She has every right to question him, and only a misogynist asshole would call her a "*****" for dong so.
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