Thousands mark Second Intifada anniversary in Gaza and Judea&Samaria

[Hoffstra]

Says who ?

Do you have a crystal ball?

its a prediction.

you ok with that sweety?

 

[RoccoR]

Hoffstra, et al,

A question.

That would require the tearing down of the wall and the removal of all checkpoints.

What have the Palestinians done so that Israel can trust them ??

Remember what happened when there was no wall and few checkpoints ?

that's because the Palestinians were sufferering under brutal and unjust occupation.

Remove the occupation and terrorism will end.

(OBSERVATION)

6. The Secretary-General has been informed by the Arab Higher Committee that is determined to persist in its rejection of the partition plan and in its refusal to recognize the resolution of the Assembly and “anything deriving therefrom”. The Subsequent communication of 6 February to the Secretary-General from the representative of the Arab Higher Committee set forth the following conclusions of the Arab Higher Committee Delegation:

“a. The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.

“b. The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power or group of powers to establish a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force.

c. It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said commission.

d. The United Nations or its commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.

e. The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.

f. The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.

g. The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.

“The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."​

SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

SOURCE: HAMAS Covenant

Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968

(QUESTIONs)

Are these the words of a:

• Friendly Population?
  ---------- OR ---------
• Enemy Population?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hoffstra, et al,

A question.

That would require the tearing down of the wall and the removal of all checkpoints.

What have the Palestinians done so that Israel can trust them ??

Remember what happened when there was no wall and few checkpoints ?

that's because the Palestinians were sufferering under brutal and unjust occupation.

Remove the occupation and terrorism will end.

(OBSERVATION)

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

SOURCE: HAMAS Covenant

Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968

(QUESTIONs)

Are these the words of a:

• Friendly Population?
  ---------- OR ---------
• Enemy Population?

Most Respectfully,
R

Everyone who visits Palestine say that they are friendly and hospitable.

 

[docmauser1]

That would require the tearing down of the wall and the removal of all checkpoints.

And the admission of all those 5.3 million of bogus refugees from the hood, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

Everyone who visits Palestine say that they are friendly and hospitable.

And telling palistanian folklore horror stories about them evil jews.

 

[toastman]

Hoffstra, et al,

A question.

that's because the Palestinians were sufferering under brutal and unjust occupation.

Remove the occupation and terrorism will end.

(OBSERVATION)

Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968

(QUESTIONs)

Are these the words of a:

• Friendly Population?
  ---------- OR ---------
• Enemy Population?

Most Respectfully,
R

Everyone who visits Palestine say that they are friendly and hospitable.

You must mean the Palestinian Territories.

Palestine doesn't mean anything .

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; et al,

This doesn't really answer the question; does it?

Everyone who visits Palestine say that they are friendly and hospitable.

(COMMENT)

In understanding the answer to the question, you will understand the need for containment and quarantine.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

Hoffstra, et al,

A question.

(OBSERVATION)

See Post #42

(QUESTIONs)

Are these the words of a:

• Friendly Population?
  ---------- OR ---------
• Enemy Population?

Most Respectfully,
R

Everyone who visits Palestine say that they are friendly and hospitable.

You must mean the Palestinian Territories.

Palestine doesn't mean anything .

(OBSERVATION)

Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968

(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Everyone who visits Palestine say that they are friendly and hospitable.

You must mean the Palestinian Territories.

Palestine doesn't mean anything .

(OBSERVATION)

Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968

(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

I am curious as to which part of the land between the river and the sea he claims to be Palestine

 

[P F Tinmore]

Everyone who visits Palestine say that they are friendly and hospitable.

You must mean the Palestinian Territories.

Palestine doesn't mean anything .

(OBSERVATION)

Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968

(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

What is confusing? Those are Palestine's international borders as of 1949 as affirmed by the 1949 armistice agreements.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

You must mean the Palestinian Territories.

Palestine doesn't mean anything .

(OBSERVATION)

Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968

(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

What is confusing? Those are Palestine's international borders as of 1949 as affirmed by the 1949 armistice agreements.

Explain what you mean please Tinmore.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Everyone who visits Palestine say that they are friendly and hospitable.

You must mean the Palestinian Territories.

Palestine doesn't mean anything .

(OBSERVATION)

Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.

SOURCE: Palestine National Charter of 1968

(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

FYI, from your link:

Article 5: The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father- whether in Palestine or outside it- is also a Palestinian.

Article 6: The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion are considered Palestinians.

How does that mesh with that "hate Jews" thing?

 

[toastman]

We're going backwards again Tinmore. You've NEVER showed how "Palestine" acquired internationally recognized borders like I showed you how Israel did.

 

[toastman]

You must mean the Palestinian Territories.

Palestine doesn't mean anything .

(OBSERVATION)


(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

FYI, from your link:

Article 5: The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father- whether in Palestine or outside it- is also a Palestinian.

Article 6: The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion are considered Palestinians.

How does that mesh with that "hate Jews" thing?

That was before the creation of Israel.
Anyone born in Israel or who acquired Israeli citizenship, is an Israeli, not a 'Palestinian'

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Mesh, it doesn't mesh at all.

You must mean the Palestinian Territories.

Palestine doesn't mean anything .

(OBSERVATION)

See Post #42

(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

FYI, from your link:

Article 5: The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father- whether in Palestine or outside it- is also a Palestinian.

Article 6: The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion are considered Palestinians.

How does that mesh with that "hate Jews" thing?

(COMMENT)

It is the Arab Palestinian Doctrine. You are avoiding the question.

NOTE: I did not mention "hating Jews." I merely cited the established doctrine (See Post #42).​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

(OBSERVATION)


(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

What is confusing? Those are Palestine's international borders as of 1949 as affirmed by the 1949 armistice agreements.

Explain what you mean please Tinmore.

The international boundaries between Lebanon and Palestine, Syria and Palestine, and Egypt and Palestine were used as a reference for the location of the armistice lines. Remember, armistice lines are not borders and did not change any existing borders.

Due to the occupation of the West Bank and demilitarized zones in the south, the border with Jordan was not used. However, the term to the southernmost tip of Palestine was used to define the territory west of that line.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is more subterfuge.

What is confusing? Those are Palestine's international borders as of 1949 as affirmed by the 1949 armistice agreements.

Explain what you mean please Tinmore.

The international boundaries between Lebanon and Palestine, Syria and Palestine, and Egypt and Palestine were used as a reference for the location of the armistice lines. Remember, armistice lines are not borders and did not change any existing borders.

Due to the occupation of the West Bank and demilitarized zones in the south, the border with Jordan was not used. However, the term to the southernmost tip of Palestine was used to define the territory west of that line.

(COMMENT)

True, an Armistice Line is not a true border. However, having said that, it means practically nothing to your case. When those words were written, it was at the conclusion of a conflict. It merely halts the war. It doesn't establish the boundaries of the State of Palestine.

If the Armistice Line (not a border) cannot be used to establish Israel, the Armistice Line (not a border) cannot be used to establish the existence of Palestine as a state.

Quit playing word games. The State of Palestine was created in the Declaration of 1988. It uses the same Resolution as its justification as did Israel. Palestine (the State of) is recognized using the same mechanism: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, in which, inter alia, it called for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in Palestine."

Get with the program! Either you Palestinians want a state, or you don't. You cannot have it both ways.

• Put-up the guns, the bombs, and give-up the terrorist action.
• Disband the al-Qassam Brigade and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (and their associates); declare them outlaws and police your population.
• Renounce the Covenant and the Charter.
• Get rid of the Jihadist and Feday'een; and the leadership that drives them.
• Recognize Israel.
• Establish a Peace Treaty with Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Mesh, it doesn't mesh at all.

(OBSERVATION)

See Post #42

(COMMENT)

Yes, it is confusing.

Most Respectfully,
R

FYI, from your link:

Article 5: The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father- whether in Palestine or outside it- is also a Palestinian.

Article 6: The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion are considered Palestinians.

How does that mesh with that "hate Jews" thing?

(COMMENT)

It is the Arab Palestinian Doctrine. You are avoiding the question.

NOTE: I did not mention "hating Jews." I merely cited the established doctrine (See Post #42).​

Most Respectfully,
R

You are constantly talking about so called terrorism and charters, etc..

Now, are all these attacks on Israel because they hate Jews or is there a legitimate reason for these attacks?

Which is it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is more subterfuge.

Explain what you mean please Tinmore.

The international boundaries between Lebanon and Palestine, Syria and Palestine, and Egypt and Palestine were used as a reference for the location of the armistice lines. Remember, armistice lines are not borders and did not change any existing borders.

Due to the occupation of the West Bank and demilitarized zones in the south, the border with Jordan was not used. However, the term to the southernmost tip of Palestine was used to define the territory west of that line.

(COMMENT)

True, an Armistice Line is not a true border. However, having said that, it means practically nothing to your case. When those words were written, it was at the conclusion of a conflict. It merely halts the war. It doesn't establish the boundaries of the State of Palestine.

That is true. The armistice lines did not change Palestine's existing international borders.

If the Armistice Line (not a border) cannot be used to establish Israel, the Armistice Line (not a border) cannot be used to establish the existence of Palestine as a state.

That is true. The armistice lines (more commonly known as '67 borders) have zero legal standing. People who talk about '67 borders are supporting partition which has flopped since 1937.

Of course all of those fake maps of Israel use those lines because Israel has no real borders.

Quit playing word games. The State of Palestine was created in the Declaration of 1988. It uses the same Resolution as its justification as did Israel. Palestine (the State of) is recognized using the same mechanism: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, in which, inter alia, it called for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in Palestine."

What makes the Palestinian declaration of 1988 more valid than the 1948 declaration?

Even though Israel and Palestine mention resolution 181, neither claimed the proposed borders. Those proposed borders were never established as legitimate borders.

Get with the program! Either you Palestinians want a state, or you don't. You cannot have it both ways.

Outside of a few oligarchs around Ramallah I do not hear of Palestinians wanting to create a "new" state of Palestine.

• Put-up the guns, the bombs, and give-up the terrorist action.
• Disband the al-Qassam Brigade and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (and their associates); declare them outlaws and police your population.
• Renounce the Covenant and the Charter.
• Get rid of the Jihadist and Feday'een; and the leadership that drives them.
• Recognize Israel.
• Establish a Peace Treaty with Israel.

This is the same old surrender and disarm "peace agreement" that the Palestinians have been rejecting for the last 20 years.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[georgephillip]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is more subterfuge.

Explain what you mean please Tinmore.

The international boundaries between Lebanon and Palestine, Syria and Palestine, and Egypt and Palestine were used as a reference for the location of the armistice lines. Remember, armistice lines are not borders and did not change any existing borders.

Due to the occupation of the West Bank and demilitarized zones in the south, the border with Jordan was not used. However, the term to the southernmost tip of Palestine was used to define the territory west of that line.

(COMMENT)

True, an Armistice Line is not a true border. However, having said that, it means practically nothing to your case. When those words were written, it was at the conclusion of a conflict. It merely halts the war. It doesn't establish the boundaries of the State of Palestine.

If the Armistice Line (not a border) cannot be used to establish Israel, the Armistice Line (not a border) cannot be used to establish the existence of Palestine as a state.

Quit playing word games. The State of Palestine was created in the Declaration of 1988. It uses the same Resolution as its justification as did Israel. Palestine (the State of) is recognized using the same mechanism: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, in which, inter alia, it called for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in Palestine."

Get with the program! Either you Palestinians want a state, or you don't. You cannot have it both ways.

• Put-up the guns, the bombs, and give-up the terrorist action.
• Disband the al-Qassam Brigade and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (and their associates); declare them outlaws and police your population.
• Renounce the Covenant and the Charter.
• Get rid of the Jihadist and Feday'een; and the leadership that drives them.
• Recognize Israel.
• Establish a Peace Treaty with Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco...when you call for Palestine to recognize Israel, do you mean recognition as a Jewish state, i.e., a state that privileges one ethnic group over all others? Do you imagine Jews maintaining control of the Jordan Valley? What sovereign entity will control the State of Palestine's borders, air space and coastal waters?