This one is for the gun grabbers. Explain this.

[Brain357]

Yes lets make it as easy for mass shooters as possible. Don't make them reload.

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

Have you noticed how often we are having the worst mass shooting in history? Last year it was Orlando. Now it's Vegas. Maybe you aren't aware, but most consider more people dying in mass shootings bad.

Orlando was muslim terrorism...he murdered 49 with a rifle.....the muslim terrorist in Nice, France, murdered 89 and injured 450 with a rental truck........

Then you have the guy in Vegas..with 2 legal rifles, he murdered 58.....the terrorists in France, murdered 142 with illegal, fully automatic military rifles...and 30 round magazines...also illegal..they didn't use bump stocks, they used actual fully automatic rifles....which are illegal in Europe....

And you want to make it as easy as possible by providing the best weapons for mass killing.

 

[Brain357]

Ok you make a video of your reloading several times while getting your magazines from a backpack. Love to see that.

I'm sure I could if it interested me and I had the money to do it. I spent several years in martial arts and it's a system of self-defense of calculated and practiced moves. Like anything else, the more you do it, the better you get at it.

The nice thing about legal semi-autos with high capacity magazines is that our mass killers don't even have to train right? Just arm them up with weapons for mass killing and its easy.

And the mass killers in France, they either rent a truck to murder 89 people...or get fully automatic, military rifles and murder 142.....

Yes international terrorism. It is a problem. But we don't need terrorist organizations when you can legally buy a gun for mass killing.

Yeah...they just have to rent a truck.

Roads can be blocked for big events.

 

[RWNJ]

A back pack, a vest with many pockets, if in a stationary position like a hotel room, just lay them on a table next to him anywhere, if in a car, right on the passenger seat......... The Vegas killer may have killed more people without rigging his gun. Those guns jammed from the heat more than likely and his slaughter would have been to a greater extent using those guns what they were designed for.

Ok you make a video of your reloading several times while getting your magazines from a backpack. Love to see that.

I'm sure I could if it interested me and I had the money to do it. I spent several years in martial arts and it's a system of self-defense of calculated and practiced moves. Like anything else, the more you do it, the better you get at it.

The nice thing about legal semi-autos with high capacity magazines is that our mass killers don't even have to train right? Just arm them up with weapons for mass killing and its easy.

And the mass killers in France, they either rent a truck to murder 89 people...or get fully automatic, military rifles and murder 142.....

Yes international terrorism. It is a problem. But we don't need terrorist organizations when you can legally buy a gun for mass killing.

Another one to add to my ignore list. I can't help wondering if there is some secret government organization that is breeding, or cloning idiots like you. Good riddance.

 

[2aguy]

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

and as a troll you keep rolling out the lies...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And why did gun murder go up after 2014....people like Brain...who blame the police and keep them from doing their jobs...




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

And all of those links have been shown to be lies......yet you continue to post them. They ignore the differences in criminal culture...where European criminals do not murder police....while having access to extreme military weapons....keep trolling, troll.

 

[2aguy]

I'm sure I could if it interested me and I had the money to do it. I spent several years in martial arts and it's a system of self-defense of calculated and practiced moves. Like anything else, the more you do it, the better you get at it.

The nice thing about legal semi-autos with high capacity magazines is that our mass killers don't even have to train right? Just arm them up with weapons for mass killing and its easy.

And the mass killers in France, they either rent a truck to murder 89 people...or get fully automatic, military rifles and murder 142.....

Yes international terrorism. It is a problem. But we don't need terrorist organizations when you can legally buy a gun for mass killing.

Yeah...they just have to rent a truck.

Roads can be blocked for big events.

They don't need big events asshole, they just need to roll down a city street at lunch time...

 

[Brain357]

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

and as a troll you keep rolling out the lies...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And why did gun murder go up after 2014....people like Brain...who blame the police and keep them from doing their jobs...




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

And all of those links have been shown to be lies......yet you continue to post them. They ignore the differences in criminal culture...where European criminals do not murder police....while having access to extreme military weapons....keep trolling, troll.

The FBI is spreading lies? Oh man if that is all the argument you have then you are done.

 

[jbander]

The biggest threat to the 2nd is from these gun bubbas and their goofball idea of the constitution, that it allows everyone to have guns without regulation. They will change the law so they don't have to listen to these gun bubba's nonsense. AS seen above.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Yes it dropped with Bill Clinton passed his crime bill and gun control. Now with concealed carry ramping up we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

CCW laws have been ramping up since the early 90's. Now you are trying to lie that this has only been happening the last two years????

It was quite rare until more recent years, not a lie at all. We had more concealed during those two years than ever before. And well that's not working out.

Keep lying....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

 

[Brain357]

The nice thing about legal semi-autos with high capacity magazines is that our mass killers don't even have to train right? Just arm them up with weapons for mass killing and its easy.

And the mass killers in France, they either rent a truck to murder 89 people...or get fully automatic, military rifles and murder 142.....

Yes international terrorism. It is a problem. But we don't need terrorist organizations when you can legally buy a gun for mass killing.

Yeah...they just have to rent a truck.

Roads can be blocked for big events.

They don't need big events asshole, they just need to roll down a city street at lunch time...

Or rent a hotel room and arm up with guns. You seem to think it is best to provide them with lots of options.

 

[hazlnut]

Wyoming has more guns per capita than any other state. They have open carry, and you do not need a permit to carry concealed. Yet the crime rate is 40 percent less than the national average, with some cities well below that. Some of them are among the safest places to live in America. So, if guns are the problem, as you believe, why aren't people being gunned down in the streets?

No body lives there.

The cows all work for free.

Dummy, there's no urban centers.

idiot.

 

[Brain357]

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Yes it dropped with Bill Clinton passed his crime bill and gun control. Now with concealed carry ramping up we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

CCW laws have been ramping up since the early 90's. Now you are trying to lie that this has only been happening the last two years????

It was quite rare until more recent years, not a lie at all. We had more concealed during those two years than ever before. And well that's not working out.

Keep lying....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime up in U.S. for second straight year

 

[2aguy]

Yet our two biggest mass murders (911 and Oklahoma City Bombing) didn't involve one gun.

Bomb making is illegal...

And your point is?????????

Well you are comparing something legal vs illegal. Crazy you'd let weapons for mass killing be legal. And when something is illegal it can be stopped before people die.
Man allegedly inspired by ISIS arrested in plot to bomb shopping center

Well I have some bad news for ya, and that is all mass murders are illegal.

Yes they are. And if they are planned with illegal weapons they can be stopped before they happen. Sad you make so many mass killing weapons legal.

They used illegal weapons in France, terrorists on government terrorist watch lists and they got fully automatic, military weapons, 30 round magazines, grenades and pistols...and murdered 142 people.......no gun stores, no gun shows, under police surveillance......

 

[jbander]

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

and as a troll you keep rolling out the lies...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And why did gun murder go up after 2014....people like Brain...who blame the police and keep them from doing their jobs...




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

And all of those links have been shown to be lies......yet you continue to post them. They ignore the differences in criminal culture...where European criminals do not murder police....while having access to extreme military weapons....keep trolling, troll.

The FBI is spreading lies? Oh man if that is all the argument you have then you are done.

This is fun, shooting down these gun bubba's but don't expect logic or reason from these clowns, they have the handicap of being brain dead.

 

[2aguy]

So your concern is making it easy on them or actually solving a problem? Because your suggestion doesn't solve anything.

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Again total nonsense, all crimes have been going down, long before the run on guns,even crimes that never have anything to do with guns are down at the same rate. Fact, since the increase in guns there are way way less households that have guns. They are all going into the hands of the weirdo's that think it's the end of the world or are the macho me kill them type. Shoot everyone. Even if they look at me wrong bubba's.

No.....more Americans now own and carry guns...and minorities and women are now buying and carrying guns adding to the numbers....

 

[Brain357]

Bomb making is illegal...

And your point is?????????

Well you are comparing something legal vs illegal. Crazy you'd let weapons for mass killing be legal. And when something is illegal it can be stopped before people die.
Man allegedly inspired by ISIS arrested in plot to bomb shopping center

Well I have some bad news for ya, and that is all mass murders are illegal.

Yes they are. And if they are planned with illegal weapons they can be stopped before they happen. Sad you make so many mass killing weapons legal.

They used illegal weapons in France, terrorists on government terrorist watch lists and they got fully automatic, military weapons, 30 round magazines, grenades and pistols...and murdered 142 people.......no gun stores, no gun shows, under police surveillance......

Yes and that gives you a chance to catch them before they kill people like we did here:
Milwaukee Man Planning Mass Shooting Bought Machine Guns From FBI | HuffPost

Course when you make extremely dangerous guns legal you have Vegas and Orlando.

 

[Brain357]

Well Australia solved the problem. Gun control is the only thing that has solved that problem. More guns aren't working here, just worse shootings.

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Again total nonsense, all crimes have been going down, long before the run on guns,even crimes that never have anything to do with guns are down at the same rate. Fact, since the increase in guns there are way way less households that have guns. They are all going into the hands of the weirdo's that think it's the end of the world or are the macho me kill them type. Shoot everyone. Even if they look at me wrong bubba's.

No.....more Americans now own and carry guns...and minorities and women are now buying and carrying guns adding to the numbers....

Working out well...

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

CCW laws have been ramping up since the early 90's. Now you are trying to lie that this has only been happening the last two years????

It was quite rare until more recent years, not a lie at all. We had more concealed during those two years than ever before. And well that's not working out.

Wrong as usual:

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With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

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SO this prove how brain dead these people are , this gun bubba just shot his gun cuts down crime bullshit , he probably doesn't even realize it.

It's less the guns than it is the laws. When laws favor criminals, you have more crime. When laws favor the victim, the victim has the upper-hand.

The reason for the decease in violent crime the last two decades was less about guns and more about the laws that were written to protect the shooter. In my state during the 90's the law was if somebody broke into your home, you must try to exit your very own home if possible. If you challenged and hurt or killed the intruder, you were charged by the DA. They could even sue you if you weren't home and they tripped on a throw rug and hurt themselves.

We changed all that in early 2000. New laws were written to protect the homeowner and CCW holder. Now if somebody breaks into my home, I have every legal right to finish them off and not one law broken. If I injure them, I'm not responsible for their medical care, and the family can't sue me either. If in my car, the Castle Doctrine extends to my vehicle as well. Somebody breaking into my car is no different than somebody breaking into my home. I have every legal right to kill them.

So it's less the guns than it is the gun laws. How many guns we have or don't have is irrelevant. The reasons you are safer in your home from intruders is because you DO have the legal right to use deadly force and it doesn't matter if you own a gun or not. A criminal is not going to take the chance that you are armed.

 

[2aguy]

And your point is?????????

Well you are comparing something legal vs illegal. Crazy you'd let weapons for mass killing be legal. And when something is illegal it can be stopped before people die.
Man allegedly inspired by ISIS arrested in plot to bomb shopping center

Well I have some bad news for ya, and that is all mass murders are illegal.

Yes they are. And if they are planned with illegal weapons they can be stopped before they happen. Sad you make so many mass killing weapons legal.

They used illegal weapons in France, terrorists on government terrorist watch lists and they got fully automatic, military weapons, 30 round magazines, grenades and pistols...and murdered 142 people.......no gun stores, no gun shows, under police surveillance......

Yes and that gives you a chance to catch them before they kill people like we did here:
Milwaukee Man Planning Mass Shooting Bought Machine Guns From FBI | HuffPost

Course when you make extremely dangerous guns legal you have Vegas and Orlando.

Dumb shit...he bought illegal guns...he broke the law, and was captured without a need for background checks, gun registration or licensing....thanks for showing us how useless those gun laws were at catching this guy...

 

[2aguy]

Actually, you're an idiot, or you are deliberately spreading false information. Since the 90's we have about twice as many privately owned firearms, and shootings are down 49%. That's a fact. Now, don't you look incredibly stupid?

You mean since the Bill Clinton crime bill and gun control? Yes that was very effective against crime. Now with concealed carry ramping up what do we get?
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Why don't you bring up the FACT that during the increase of more gun sales and states adopting CCW laws violent crime actually dropped? It's been dropping for the past few decades until the leftists started this war against police officers which led to the Ferguson effect.

Again total nonsense, all crimes have been going down, long before the run on guns,even crimes that never have anything to do with guns are down at the same rate. Fact, since the increase in guns there are way way less households that have guns. They are all going into the hands of the weirdo's that think it's the end of the world or are the macho me kill them type. Shoot everyone. Even if they look at me wrong bubba's.

No.....more Americans now own and carry guns...and minorities and women are now buying and carrying guns adding to the numbers....

Working out well...

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

It was working fine until obama decided he needed crime stats to go up...so he put the ACLU and the Department of Justice on the police......and now they wont Pro actively address crime...you know this, you lie about knowing this....you are a troll....

 

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It was quite rare until more recent years, not a lie at all. We had more concealed during those two years than ever before. And well that's not working out.

Wrong as usual:

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With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

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SO this prove how brain dead these people are , this gun bubba just shot his gun cuts down crime bullshit , he probably doesn't even realize it.

It's less the guns than it is the laws. When laws favor criminals, you have more crime. When laws favor the victim, the victim has the upper-hand.

The reason for the decease in violent crime the last two decades was less about guns and more about the laws that were written to protect the shooter. In my state during the 90's the law was if somebody broke into your home, you must try to exit your very own home if possible. If you challenged and hurt or killed the intruder, you were charged by the DA. They could even sue you if you weren't home and they tripped on a throw rug and hurt themselves.

We changed all that in early 2000. New laws were written to protect the homeowner and CCW holder. Now if somebody breaks into my home, I have every legal right to finish them off and not one law broken. If I injure them, I'm not responsible for their medical care, and the family can't sue me either. If in my car, the Castle Doctrine extends to my vehicle as well. Somebody breaking into my car is no different than somebody breaking into my home. I have every legal right to kill them.

So it's less the guns than it is the gun laws. How many guns we have or don't have is irrelevant. The reasons you are safer in your home from intruders is because you DO have the legal right to use deadly force and it doesn't matter if you own a gun or not. A criminal is not going to take the chance that you are armed.

Safer? We have a much higher homicide rate than countries with gun control...