This is Why, Despite Everything Else, I am Willing to Vote for Bernie Sanders.

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Oh, and the repeal in 1999 was signed by Bill Clinton.

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So what?

Did you presume me to be a left-wing acolyte who might believe in and defend a corrupt degenerate like Bill Clinton, another puppet of the banks and Wall Street? Unlike you, I draw my own conclusions regardless of what some political party finds convenient.
 
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Oh, and the repeal in 1999 was signed by Bill Clinton.

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So what?

Did you presume me to be a left-wing acolyte who might believe in and defend a corrupt degenerate like Bill Clinton, another puppet of the banks and Wall Street? Unlike you, I draw my own conclusions regardless of what some political party finds convenient.
And wasnt Senator Phil Graham a big supporter of ending Glass Steigal?
 
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Ohh, conspiracy theories from the leftist hate sites..

Not that you had any credibility to begin with,

Even far left Ezra Klien takes exception to it.

What ‘Inside Job’ got wrong
It appears that Ezra Klein is trying to say all the near economic collapse of 2008 was the result of a few simple little mistakes and nobody is really to blame. The only reason I can think of which might account for this is Klein was doing his best to present something worth publishing in the Washington Post. So I would call this journalistic opportunism.

How about you? Did you view Inside Job? If so, what is your opinion of the revelations and explanations it puts forth? Can you point to and explain any inaccuracies or errors?

I leave it up to the individual member of this forum who takes the time to view this important video to make up his or her mind if the facts it very clearly presents are valid and well demonstrated or not.
 
We have a political system that is broken, subverted by corporate money and that no longer listens to the American people. We have millions of American citizens looking for jobs and cant get any, while our politicians still let in hundreds of thousands of cheap foreign laborers that take our jobs and let currently hired Americans get fired and compelled to train their foreign replacements. This is in direct violation of what the guest worker programs were intended for and they are so heavily abused that I am in favor of simply dismantling those programs across the board until every American that wants a job can get one. Fuck the corporations that would rather hire some liar from Hyderabad and leave American veterans unemployed or even living on the streets homeless.

While more and more Americans were getting sloughed off the tally of 'employable Americans looking for work' so that Obama's Dhimmicrats could brag about lowering the Unemployment Rate, the feds were buying worthless securities from the major Wall Street banks that couldnt get rid of them. Oh yes, and the federal Reserve paid the Wall Street banks FACE VALUE for those equities. That is like me buying your old busted up truck that doesnt run anymore at the same price you bought it at brand new. That is the kind of thing only a crook would do as some sort of quid-pro-quo, not even the biggest idiot businessman would do something like that. And the total tally for this program, known as 'Quantitative Easing' was $4 TRILLION, that is right FOUR TRILLION US DOLLARS. The biggest robbery of the US government and this nation that it has ever seen.

My own experience that led me to think that I would put up with all of Sanders social issues fails is that these issues are not as important as my pocket book concerns because the GOP is not going to ever change any of this anyway. I worked from the day I turned 14 years old as a bus boy at a local restaurant and that does not include all the yards I mowed, garages I painted, fences I built prior to that. I love to work and a big slice of my self image has been built around my ability and readiness to get and hold a job.

But now I cannot get a job. I am 58 years old, I am coming off two years of disability, and I cannot even get an interview. Just called a former boss, who had given me several ataboys and a little statue, lol, to show their appreciation to me, and he has not yet returned my phone call. (Edit: he just called me about 30 minutes after I posted, lol) The glut of guest workers is so high that corporations do not have a single reason to give someone like me a shot at a job or even an interview.

So if this is how it is under corporate rule, I know I much prefer living under a barely functioning Sanders version of socialism instead. I gave the GOP decades of loyalty and all I got from them were broken promises, lies and smoke blown up my ass.

Since when did being a 'conservative' mean that you turned a blind eye to the plight of unfortunate fellow American veterans? I did not cause my two slipped discs, nor the idiocy of my doctor who failed to get me the MRIs I should have had from day One, nor why the moron took me off my disability even though my physical condition had only worsened until I healed up from my surgery from last September. And while I am ready and anxious to get back to my career, I dont have the opportunity because GOP RINOs have helped Obama to flood the country with guest workers. That is my fault? And yet I have no Unemployment, no welfare or help of any kind from the government; I have totally fallen through the cracks of the so-called 'Social Safety Net'.

There are many legitimate criticisms of Bernie Sanders but he has this going for him; he is an honest man of integrity who will place the highest priority to removing undo corporate influence from our political system and getting Americans back to work.

I am all for it despite the wacko-libtard social baggage that comes with it.
The American people let the Democrats down, the Democrats didn't let the American people down. The GOP from 2000-2006 totally fucked our country up. That's why Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi took control of both houses. And GW Bush fucked up and that's why Obama was elected not John McCain.

So what did the GOP do? They obstructed progress from day one.

And what did the frustrated voters do? Instead of voting even more Republicans out of office, they didn't show up in 2010. And Republicans pretended this was a mandate against Obama's policies.

But then Obama won re election in 2012. But then Democrats lost the 2014 midterms.

What does all this mean? It means the American middle class are stupid and deserve the government they have.

I wouldn't mind the GOP winning midterm because people voted for them but Republicans win midterms because stupid Americans aren't smart enough to vote every 2 years.
 
Holding one's head under water perpetually is not "drinking."
When the word socialist is used, brainwashed right-wing acolytes hear "socialism." The idea of imposing what may be regarded as a socialistic regulation, one single, isolated element, on certain financial policies for the purpose of preventing exploitation, is to them a lapse into socialism.

With regard to this tendency I offered the simple analogy that "drinking is not drowning," meaning one socialist-type regulation is not socialism, per se. So I'd like to know what you mean by, "Holding one's head under water is not drinking."

I think the true divide here is between democratic socialism vrs Marxism. Democratic Socialism can work well with capitalism, restraining its worst tendencies, while Marxism does not want the resolution of problems but only to destabilize society in order to bring about the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

Sanders is a Democratic Socialist while the far left is Marxist in several of its various permutations.

Name one socialist country where the political class is no better off than anyone else.
 
Name one socialist country where the political class is no better off than anyone else.
The political class ALWAYS does better than everyone else except the bankers.

That is one of the perks of being the rulers.

Once upon a time, the citizenry ruled here in the USA and we have lost control.


But we are going to GET IT BACK.
 
Holding one's head under water perpetually is not "drinking."
When the word socialist is used, brainwashed right-wing acolytes hear "socialism." The idea of imposing what may be regarded as a socialistic regulation, one single, isolated element, on certain financial policies for the purpose of preventing exploitation, is to them a lapse into socialism.

With regard to this tendency I offered the simple analogy that "drinking is not drowning," meaning one socialist-type regulation is not socialism, per se. So I'd like to know what you mean by, "Holding one's head under water is not drinking."

I think the true divide here is between democratic socialism vrs Marxism. Democratic Socialism can work well with capitalism, restraining its worst tendencies, while Marxism does not want the resolution of problems but only to destabilize society in order to bring about the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

Sanders is a Democratic Socialist while the far left is Marxist in several of its various permutations.

Name one socialist country where the political class is no better off than anyone else.
Yea but their citizens don't have to worry about an illness wiping out their life savings.

Germany was voted best country this year, Canada 3rd and America was 4th. I wonder why?
 
Name one socialist country where the political class is no better off than anyone else.
What do you mean by "better off?"

The U.S.A. could serve as one answer to your question. While some American politicians who are millionaires, and Michael Bloomberg, former Mayor of New York City, is a billionaire, they are exceptions. The average politician earns or has accumulated considerably less than many ordinary citizens.

I've known a few politicians; local, state and federal. While all of them live comfortably none could be described as rich. Neither of the two City councilmen I knew quite well were any "better off" than I was at the time. In fact, owing to my late wife's professional practice, the opposite was true.

But it is reasonable to expect that one who makes a successful career of politics must be satisfactorily serving the wishes of his/her constituents and therefore should be appropriately rewarded with the trappings of a good life.
 
What do you mean by "better off?"

The U.S.A. could serve as one answer to your question. While some American politicians who are millionaires, and Michael Bloomberg, former Mayor of New York City, is a billionaire, they are exceptions. The average politician earns or has accumulated considerably less than many ordinary citizens.

I've known a few politicians; local, state and federal. While all of them live comfortably none could be described as rich. Neither of the two City councilmen I knew quite well were any "better off" than I was at the time. In fact, owing to my late wife's professional practice, the opposite was true.

But it is reasonable to expect that one who makes a successful career of politics must be satisfactorily serving the wishes of his/her constituents and therefore should be appropriately rewarded with the trappings of a good life.
Ive read that Hillary and Bill are worth anywhere from $21 million to $55 million.

I cant figure how they did that on a public servants income....:eusa_think:
 
We have a political system that is broken, subverted by corporate money and that no longer listens to the American people. We have millions of American citizens looking for jobs and cant get any, while our politicians still let in hundreds of thousands of cheap foreign laborers that take our jobs and let currently hired Americans get fired and compelled to train their foreign replacements. This is in direct violation of what the guest worker programs were intended for and they are so heavily abused that I am in favor of simply dismantling those programs across the board until every American that wants a job can get one. Fuck the corporations that would rather hire some liar from Hyderabad and leave American veterans unemployed or even living on the streets homeless.

While more and more Americans were getting sloughed off the tally of 'employable Americans looking for work' so that Obama's Dhimmicrats could brag about lowering the Unemployment Rate, the feds were buying worthless securities from the major Wall Street banks that couldnt get rid of them. Oh yes, and the federal Reserve paid the Wall Street banks FACE VALUE for those equities. That is like me buying your old busted up truck that doesnt run anymore at the same price you bought it at brand new. That is the kind of thing only a crook would do as some sort of quid-pro-quo, not even the biggest idiot businessman would do something like that. And the total tally for this program, known as 'Quantitative Easing' was $4 TRILLION, that is right FOUR TRILLION US DOLLARS. The biggest robbery of the US government and this nation that it has ever seen.

My own experience that led me to think that I would put up with all of Sanders social issues fails is that these issues are not as important as my pocket book concerns because the GOP is not going to ever change any of this anyway. I worked from the day I turned 14 years old as a bus boy at a local restaurant and that does not include all the yards I mowed, garages I painted, fences I built prior to that. I love to work and a big slice of my self image has been built around my ability and readiness to get and hold a job.

But now I cannot get a job. I am 58 years old, I am coming off two years of disability, and I cannot even get an interview. Just called a former boss, who had given me several ataboys and a little statue, lol, to show their appreciation to me, and he has not yet returned my phone call. (Edit: he just called me about 30 minutes after I posted, lol) The glut of guest workers is so high that corporations do not have a single reason to give someone like me a shot at a job or even an interview.

So if this is how it is under corporate rule, I know I much prefer living under a barely functioning Sanders version of socialism instead. I gave the GOP decades of loyalty and all I got from them were broken promises, lies and smoke blown up my ass.

Since when did being a 'conservative' mean that you turned a blind eye to the plight of unfortunate fellow American veterans? I did not cause my two slipped discs, nor the idiocy of my doctor who failed to get me the MRIs I should have had from day One, nor why the moron took me off my disability even though my physical condition had only worsened until I healed up from my surgery from last September. And while I am ready and anxious to get back to my career, I dont have the opportunity because GOP RINOs have helped Obama to flood the country with guest workers. That is my fault? And yet I have no Unemployment, no welfare or help of any kind from the government; I have totally fallen through the cracks of the so-called 'Social Safety Net'.

There are many legitimate criticisms of Bernie Sanders but he has this going for him; he is an honest man of integrity who will place the highest priority to removing undo corporate influence from our political system and getting Americans back to work.

I am all for it despite the wacko-libtard social baggage that comes with it.

Damn, I could of written a lot of that blast. Matter of fact I'm 99% sure this is one of my lines you must of clipped... "I love to work and a big slice of my self image has been built around my ability and readiness to get and hold a job."
Anyway, I think we've had a little more protection from the vultures up here but not by much. Shit hit me when I was closer to being ready to think about retirement than you are I guess and your story makes me thankful for that and I've never looked at it that way before.
One thing I haven't figured out yet, once they've sucked the middle class dry who's going to buy all the crap they build wherever they get the cheapest labor?
And of course, there's that one big difference between us. I look at it like this, if we (I mean both our countries not just guys like you and me) had been getting the full benefits of our hard work and the the major increases in productivity our societies have been putting out for the last few decades instead of it being sucked up by war profiteers, wall street pirates and government "let's vote ourselves a raise" leeches, we wouldn't be arguing about "wacko-libtard social baggage" it would be more like "hey, we've been educating kids for 12yrs. of school for a long time, now we can afford to educate them for another 2 or 3."
Anyway, hope your luck changes and you hit a bunch of sevens in a row. Keep raising hell.
 

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