This is what systemic racism looks like

[Mac-7]

Apologies. I misread this post and originally thought you missed the point. But on second look, I agree.

One of my dearest friends was one of the most intelligent, capable, intuitive, remarkable people I've ever had the pleasure to know. A highly honored success in her field. But as a black woman she said she was discriminated against far more for being a woman than she ever was for being black.

But the one thing that bugged her most was the impression that she got her job, promotions, position because she was black and not because she worked hard for them, merited them, deserved them. Affirmative action was not a good thing for her and had had no place in her success.

When this administration indicated they would be hiring/appointing based on gender, transgender, sexual orientation, skin color, it immediately diminished anyone hired as being a DEI pick and not because they were qualified and deserving of their respective positions.

And because so many of those hires/appointees actually were unsuited for their jobs or performed so miserably in them, it only reinforced any negative opinions anyone had of any of those respective groups however unfair that might be.

The general impression that many blacks are unqualified is reenforced by stories that black teachers are illiterate

Which is what we are encouraged to think when New York cancels testing for teachers because too many black people were failing the test

 

[Foxfyre]

It’s the stipulation of being female and black that Ubangi Jackson should have cited in turning down her SCOTUS nomination.
By not rejecting the nomination for being based on those terms, she demonstrated that she was unqualified, lacking the objectivity to be an effective justice.
That’s logic.

In my opinion, Ketanji Jackson in fact was qualified via her credentials and experience. It was her judicial temperament that was in question so that only three Republicans--Romney, Murkowski, Collins--and all the Democrats voted to confirm her.

But because she was chosen as a black woman first before any other consideration she will be forever characterized as the DEI pick. (And her voting record so far has been mostly that of a leftist activist.)

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

In my opinion, and that of in fact was qualified via her credentials and experience. It was her judicial temperament that was in question so that only three Republicans--Romney, Murkowski, Collins--and all the Democrats voted to confirm her.

But because she was chosen as a black woman first before any other consideration she will be forever characterized as the DEI pick. (And her voting record so far has been mostly that of a leftist activist.)

But she undermined whatever legit credentials she may have had by accepting the nomination under those race/gender conditions.

 

[Foxfyre]

But she undermined whatever legit credentials she may have had by accepting the nomination under those race/gender conditions.

Tough call. If you are a judge and lawyer and are nominated for a lifetime position on the Supreme Court of the United States of America, and you believe you would be a good associate justice, do you say no? It is easy to say she should have done so on principle, but in this case I think practicality would override principle for pretty much anybody. And certainly an extreme leftist activist has no problem with DEI.

 

[Foxfyre]

The general impression that many blacks are unqualified is reenforced by stories that black teachers are illiterate

Which is what we are encouraged to think when New York cancels testing for teachers because too many black people were failing the test

That certainly is a component and has happened far too many times over the years since Affirmative Action became a thing.

I didn't oppose Affirmative Action initially because I could see how it could help a newly integrated America become comfortable with black people as coworkers, classmates and in other aspects of ordinary society. But once that was achieved, within a relatively short time it should have been ended. Instead it ground on, and as opportunistic lawyers started hunting for cases to sue employers etc. for mostly manufactured discrimination in hiring, firing, promotions, pay etc.

It became such a problem that employers would hire only the bare minimum required via quota of people of color because so many came in with huge chips on their shoulders just looking for any opportunity to claim discrimination/racism/unfair treatment because they were black. And those who were hired were naturally too often seen as Affirmative Action quota hires who didn't qualify for their jobs.

And now we have people like one or two or so here at USMB who start thread after thread after thread claiming RACISM!!!! and see anything and everything as racism other than what the Democrats do to keep black people on their voting plantation.

Even LBJ who signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act ending segregation and implementing Affirmative Action into law was infamously quoted as saying after he signed that bill that "Ill have those n****s voting Democrat for 200 years." It definitely has had that effect though LBJ's quote was unproven as fact. Pretty much all historians agree that LBJ did like the "n" word though and used it frequently. As Snopes suggests some of that might have been to stay in good with the congressional "Dixiecrats" who were pretty much opposed to increasing civil rights for black people.

Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'?

A viral quote attributed to LBJ since the 1990s features the 36th president uttering the N-word and stating a cynical motive for his civil rights stance.

www.snopes.com

The 1964 Civil Right Bill was a good thing in concept. It became a bad thing, however, when Democrats, instead of encouraging black people to strive for competence and excellence, curried favor with them by lowering standards for everybody so that more black people could compete. That one thing has probably harmed the 20th and 21st Century black community more than any other single factor. And it harms us all.

 

[Mac-7]

That certainly is a component and has happened far too many times over the years since Affirmative Action became a thing.

I didn't oppose Affirmative Action initially because I could see how it could help a newly integrated America become comfortable with black people as coworkers, classmates and in other aspects of ordinary society. But once that was achieved, within a relatively short time it should have been ended. Instead it ground on, and as opportunistic lawyers started hunting for cases to sue employers etc. for mostly manufactured discrimination in hiring, firing, promotions, pay etc.

It became such a problem that employers would hire only the bare minimum required via quota of people of color because so many came in with huge chips on their shoulders just looking for any opportunity to claim discrimination/racism/unfair treatment because they were black. And those who were hired were naturally too often seen as Affirmative Action quota hires who didn't qualify for their jobs.

And now we have people like one or two or so here at USMB who start thread after thread after thread claiming RACISM!!!! and see anything and everything as racism other than what the Democrats do to keep black people on their voting plantation.

Even LBJ who signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act ending segregation and implementing Affirmative Action into law was infamously quoted as saying after he signed that bill that "Ill have those n****s voting Democrat for 200 years." It definitely has had that effect though LBJ's quote was unproven as fact. Pretty much all historians agree that LBJ did like the "n" word though and used it frequently. As Snopes suggests some of that might have been to stay in good with the congressional "Dixiecrats" who were pretty much opposed to increasing civil rights for black people.

Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'?

A viral quote attributed to LBJ since the 1990s features the 36th president uttering the N-word and stating a cynical motive for his civil rights stance.

www.snopes.com

The 1964 Civil Right Bill was a good thing in concept. It became a bad thing, however, when Democrats, instead of encouraging black people to strive for competence and excellence, curried favor with them by lowering standards for everybody so that more black people could compete. That one thing has probably harmed the 20th and 21st Century black community more than any other single factor. And it harms us all.

I think its better to have fewer black people advanced as long as all of them are fully qualified

 

[scruffy]

In my opinion, Ketanji Jackson in fact was qualified via her credentials and experience. It was her judicial temperament that was in question so that only three Republicans--Romney, Murkowski, Collins--and all the Democrats voted to confirm her.

But because she was chosen as a black woman first before any other consideration she will be forever characterized as the DEI pick. (And her voting record so far has been mostly that of a leftist activist.)

She's too stupid to define a woman.

 

[Foxfyre]

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She's too stupid to define a woman.

I doubt she is that stupid. She is just too 'woke' to be willing to admit there are two genders period. That is ideological, not intellectual. And anytime people put ideology ahead of intellect, I will vote NOT to confirm them for a position as important as a Supreme Court justice.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Tough call. If you are a judge and lawyer and are nominated for a lifetime position on the Supreme Court of the United States of America, and you believe you would be a good associate justice, do you say no? It is easy to say she should have done so on principle, but in this case I think practicality would override principle for pretty much anybody. And certainly an extreme leftist activist has no problem with DEI.

All she had to do was to ask that the DEI conditions be rescinded first.

 

[Foxfyre]

I think its better to have fewer black people advanced as long as all of them are fully qualified

It is always better to have fewer lesser qualified/competent people of ANY skin color when there are people of superior ability available regardless of their skin color.

It has become a psychological thing. I was running a large social agency in Kansas which put me in a position to work closely on a lot of city and country projects. That had me working with the city Director of Human Services, a remarkable man who happened to be a black man originally from my husband's home town in Texas. After we became friends enough to share personal information, I asked him point blank: knowing the general racist as in separate mentality of that small town in Texas, I asked him how he managed to overcome that. He said he had a lot of good role models and mentors who helped him throw off the mental shackles too many black people are burdened with. He said even then when he went back home to visit it was depressing how mentally down trodden and defeated the people were.

I had the same experience working with two young adult women from New Orleans who wound up in Albuquerque as refugees from Katrina. They said too many black people in New Orleans at that time were stuck in a kind of mental limbo with no idea of what they might be capable of learning and achieving. Getting out of that culture/environment had opened their eyes to infinite possibilities.

I think of Katherine Goble of NASA who by chance was drafted onto the space exploration team when one of her mentors clued the Director of NASA to her analytic mathematical skills. Because she was black and a woman, the men of NASA initially saw her as inferior to their intellects and education. She proved them wrong by solving problems in ways they hadn't even realized were problems. And she plus some black women skilled in computer programming and engineering changed the culture at NASA in a good way by showing the leadership that the Jim Crow laws utilized in the U.S. government were counter productive to their goals.

That kind of excellence should be the goal. We should never tell 21st Century black people they are victims of racism or whatever and therefore are entitled to unearned compensation. We should keep telling them and all young people that they cannot know what they can achieve unless they try. And what they try for should be excellence without any kind of special accommodation made for them. Accommodations that drag everybody else down with them and create feelings of contempt in those who have to actually qualify for what they earn.

Affirmative Action/DEI in itself has become systemic racism. And it should be rejected by all thinking people regardless of the skin color they happened to be born with.

 

[Mac-7]

It is always better to have fewer lesser qualified/competent people of ANY skin color when there are people of superior ability available regardless of their skin color.

It has become a psychological thing. I was running a large social agency in Kansas which put me in a position to work closely on a lot of city and country projects. That had me working with the city Director of Human Services, a remarkable man who happened to be a black man originally from my husband's home town in Texas. After we became friends enough to share personal information, I asked him point blank: knowing the general racist as in separate mentality of that small town in Texas, I asked him how he managed to overcome that. He said he had a lot of good role models and mentors who helped him throw off the mental shackles too many black people are burdened with. He said even then when he went back home to visit it was depressing how mentally down trodden and defeated the people were.

I had the same experience working with two young adult women from New Orleans who wound up in Albuquerque as refugees from Katrina. They said too many black people in New Orleans at that time were stuck in a kind of mental limbo with no idea of what they might be capable of learning and achieving. Getting out of that culture/environment had opened their eyes to infinite possibilities.

I think of Katherine Goble of NASA who by chance was drafted onto the Apollo project team when one of her mentors clued the Director of NASA to her analytic mathematical skills. Because she was black and a woman, the men of NASA initially saw her as inferior to their intellects and education. She proved them wrong by solving problems in ways they hadn't even realized were problems. And she plus some black women skilled in computer programming and engineering changed the culture at NASA in a good way.

That should be the goal. We should never tell 21st Century black people they are victims of racism or whatever and therefore are entitled to unearned compensation, but keep telling them they cannot know what they can achieve unless they try. And what they try for should be excellence without any kind of special accommodation made for them. Accommodations that drag everybody else down with them and create feelings of contempt in those who have to actually qualify for what they earn.

Affirmative Action/DEI in itself has become systemic racism. And it should be rejected by all thinking people regardless of the skin color they happened to be born with.

Well said

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Affirmative Action/DEI in itself has become systemic racism. And it should be rejected by all thinking people regardless of the skin color they happened to be born with.

It was systemic racism from the outset. Designed to keep a voting block corralled and dependent and an excuse for multiple demagoguing entities to maintain an ostensible significance and gravy train.

 

[Foxfyre]

It was systemic racism from the outset. Designed to keep a voting block corralled and dependent and an excuse for multiple demagoguing entities to maintain an ostensible significance and gravy train.

Again I do think Affirmative initially helped to break down cultural barriers. The generation living in the early1960's had grown up or were growing up in a culture where black and white had been systematically divided into separate groups their entire lives. Both sides tended to be uncomfortable with the other. Affirmative Action did help, however artificial the process, to accustom both to working alongside, sharing schools, restaurants, etc. with each other.

And, however imperfectly it was implemented, it did largely serve that purpose. But it should have ended after say three to five years and the newly liberated black demographic should have been encouraged to strive for excellence. I am pretty sure that would have largely eliminated the residual cultural racism that existed on both sides.

Because Affirmative Action didn't end but became a permanent fixture in society, political, private, social race baiting became a profitable industry throughout America. In my opinion that made it the one most important factor that has set back and prevented the elimination of racism.

It is only when black people see themselves as part of a whole society in which individual members are subject to at times being insulted, teased with stereotypes that might be harmless or meanspirited, etc. but have no special privilege to retaliate for that, we will have our best chance to make skin color be of no more importance than hair color or eye color. But that now will require great tort reform, rejection of 'wokeism', and all the other factors that make perpetuating racism so profitable for far too many.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Again I do think Affirmative initially helped to break down cultural barriers. The generation living in the early1960's had grown up or were growing up in a culture where black and white had been systematically divided into separate groups their entire lives. Both sides tended to be uncomfortable with the other. Affirmative Action did help, however artificial the process, to accustom both to working alongside, sharing schools, restaurants, etc. with each other.

And, however imperfectly it was implemented, it did largely serve that purpose. But it should have ended after say three to five years and the newly liberated black demographic should have been encouraged to strive for excellence. I am pretty sure that would have largely eliminated the residual cultural racism that existed on both sides.

Because Affirmative Action didn't end but became a permanent fixture in society, political, private, social race baiting became a profitable industry throughout America. In my opinion that made it the one most important factor that has set back and prevented the elimination of racism.

It is only when black people see themselves as part of a whole society in which individual members are subject to at times being insulted, teased with stereotypes that might be harmless or meanspirited, etc. but have no special privilege to retaliate for that, we will have our best chance to make skin color be of no more importance than hair color or eye color. But that now will require great tort reform, rejection of 'wokeism', and all the other factors that make perpetuating racism so profitable for far too many.

I grew up before, during and after civil rights era and with already integrated schools and sports activities though blacks and whites lived in separate locales. All affirmative action accomplished was to resegregate and put the focus back onto the ostensible distinctions. Lots of money and clout to be had in neosegregation. Opportunists learned a valuable lesson from the Negro Leagues and that is that integration is bad for business.

 

[Foxfyre]

I grew up before, during and after civil rights era and with already integrated schools and sports activities though blacks and whites lived in separate locales. All affirmative action accomplished was to resegregate and put the focus back onto the ostensible distinctions. Lots of money and clout to be had in neosegregation. Opportunists learned a valuable lesson from the Negro Leagues and that is that integration is bad for business.

The small New Mexico oil patch town I grew up in integrated long before the government mandated it too and though residential neighborhoods remained mostly segregated mostly due to that's where people already lived. But I don't recall racial tensions of any kind or any problems. When Affirmative Action went into effect the oil companies made an effort to hire more black employees than they already were and they tell me the black guys made great roughnecks. It was good for the oil companies and was a significant boost in income for those black families.

Most of the black families eventually moved out of that area so I hear, and it is now predominantly Hispanic so I can't say how much effect, if any, prolonged Affirmative Action had on that area.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Says the guy who would choose a neurosurgeon based solely on the color of his skin…….. Sorry brudder, you are the racist.

You mean after you claimed all the doctors were white, lol. That would be you, el racist.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

You have been on the plantation to long. Everyone has to work for what they get, even white people.

That's what you wish I were on, black folks aren't asking for you to give us anything, just keep the playing field EQUAL for all.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Actually white women do. Way not to pay attention. All you deserve is scraps. You’re stupid

Which means you are getting it, what color sheets are you wearing to the Inauguration? White, Red or Black.

 

[Foxfyre]

All she had to do was to ask that the DEI conditions be rescinded first.

But really who would do that? Nine people out of a population of 330,000,000+++ are on the Supreme Court. To be nominated for the Court is on a par in prestige with being your party's nominee for President. For a lawyer or judge it is the epitome of success. Nobody is going to put conditions for accepting the nomination.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Which means you are getting it, what color sheets are you wearing to the Inauguration? White, Red or Black.

You know many Jews in Klan? Idiot