This Is What A Serious Gun Violence Policy Would Look Like

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It’s not as simple as expanding background checks.

A serious debate over gun policy is underway in the aftermath of last week’s massacre in Florida, and one focus is the federal background check system ― a system that has existed for 20 years but which, by almost all accounts, isn’t doing enough to deter would-be killers from buying firearms.

In theory, almost everybody in Washington wants to strengthen the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, as it’s known. That includes top Republicans, even though they have historically resisted or opposed efforts to control or limit gun access. It even includes President Donald Trump, who on Thursday tweeted support for improving background checks and on Friday said the same thing while answering press questions at the White House.

These vows may be meaningless. Recent history is littered with instances of Republicans dropping support for gun legislation as soon as public interest wanes. As for Trump, his own budget proposal, released earlier this month, proposed cutting funds for the background check system. It’s anybody’s guess whether Trump even understands the promise he has been making over the past few days, let alone whether he intends to keep it.

But if the student-led movement for stronger gun policies doesn’t let up, Trump and his allies may not be able to let go of this idea so easily. They might even decide that the political consequences of inaction are too serious to risk, that some kind of legislation on background checks is necessary.

The question, then, would be what kind of legislation.

On Capitol Hill, the current debate over background checks is focused on two very different proposals. One is an anodyne bill to shore up the existing system by feeding it information in a more timely and consistent fashion. The other is a more sweeping proposal to expand the reach of background checks so they include all sales, not just those that take place through officially licensed dealers.

But there’s another, even more ambitious idea out there ― one that Congress isn’t seriously considering now but that, according to many advocates and experts, could have a bigger impact. It’s a call for requiring would-be gun purchasers to first obtain licenses, which the government would grant only for people who go through a protracted process.

The process could entail any number of steps, but in the most ambitious versions it would include completing a gun safety course, paying registration fees, providing character references, and applying in person to local law enforcement. The goal is to reduce all kinds of firearm violence, including the everyday acts of homicide and suicide that account for the vast majority of this country’s gun deaths.

It might sound like a crazy idea wildly out of step with current practice. It’s not.

A dozen states plus the District of Columbia already have some kind of licensing program in place. There’s good reason to think these systems are having at least a mild impact in those places, and that they’d do a lot more if they existed nationwide. That’s especially true if licensing were part of a broader strategy that included bans on assault-style weapons, temporary restraining orders against gun ownership for people who pose likely threats, and other restrictions.

Much More: This Is What A Serious Gun Violence Policy Would Look Like

Interesting article. Definitely worth reading - regardless of which side of the fence you're on.
 
That article is what they will talk about.

This is what will happen.

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Solution? Buy guns. Learn to use them. Stop relying on government to protect you and your family.
 
We wouldn't need any gun regulations if we didn't have liberals getting their hands on guns. We have millions of them in prisons now. And the Democrats want to give them back their voting rights.

Never trust a liberal with your life or your money.
 
That article is what they will talk about.

This is what will happen.

s-l300.jpg


Solution? Buy guns. Learn to use them. Stop relying on government to protect you and your family.
Actually.....the police don't have to protect us anymore as long as we have liberal judges making it harder and harder for them to do their jobs.
Cops have zero support from Democrats.
 
We wouldn't need any gun regulations if we didn't have liberals getting their hands on guns. We have millions of them in prisons now. And the Democrats want to give them back their voting rights.

Never trust a liberal with your life or your money.

In other words, you have no idea what the article says. It's NRA gun nutters like you that are the greatest threat to my future gun rights. The NRA will have to bend or die.

The Teens Are Coming For The NRA, And They Can’t Be Stopped
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...y-cant-be-stopped_us_5a919197e4b03b55731ca1ba
 
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That article is what they will talk about.

This is what will happen.

s-l300.jpg


Solution? Buy guns. Learn to use them. Stop relying on government to protect you and your family.

Can you protect you and your family 24/7? If so - you must be very special.
 
We wouldn't need any gun regulations if we didn't have liberals getting their hands on guns. We have millions of them in prisons now. And the Democrats want to give them back their voting rights.

Never trust a liberal with your life or your money.

In other words, you have no idea what the article says. It's NRA gun nutters like you that are the greatest threat to my future gun rights.


There is no way in hell you should have a gun. The only thing scarier than a terrorist with a gun is a liberal with a gun.
 
Solution? Buy guns. Learn to use them. Stop relying on government to protect you and your family.


By all means, send your kids to 5th grade classes heavily armed and wearing bulletproof vests.....The "new" American educational environment.
 
It’s not as simple as expanding background checks.

A serious debate over gun policy is underway in the aftermath of last week’s massacre in Florida, and one focus is the federal background check system ― a system that has existed for 20 years but which, by almost all accounts, isn’t doing enough to deter would-be killers from buying firearms.

In theory, almost everybody in Washington wants to strengthen the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, as it’s known. That includes top Republicans, even though they have historically resisted or opposed efforts to control or limit gun access. It even includes President Donald Trump, who on Thursday tweeted support for improving background checks and on Friday said the same thing while answering press questions at the White House.

These vows may be meaningless. Recent history is littered with instances of Republicans dropping support for gun legislation as soon as public interest wanes. As for Trump, his own budget proposal, released earlier this month, proposed cutting funds for the background check system. It’s anybody’s guess whether Trump even understands the promise he has been making over the past few days, let alone whether he intends to keep it.

But if the student-led movement for stronger gun policies doesn’t let up, Trump and his allies may not be able to let go of this idea so easily. They might even decide that the political consequences of inaction are too serious to risk, that some kind of legislation on background checks is necessary.

The question, then, would be what kind of legislation.

On Capitol Hill, the current debate over background checks is focused on two very different proposals. One is an anodyne bill to shore up the existing system by feeding it information in a more timely and consistent fashion. The other is a more sweeping proposal to expand the reach of background checks so they include all sales, not just those that take place through officially licensed dealers.

But there’s another, even more ambitious idea out there ― one that Congress isn’t seriously considering now but that, according to many advocates and experts, could have a bigger impact. It’s a call for requiring would-be gun purchasers to first obtain licenses, which the government would grant only for people who go through a protracted process.

The process could entail any number of steps, but in the most ambitious versions it would include completing a gun safety course, paying registration fees, providing character references, and applying in person to local law enforcement. The goal is to reduce all kinds of firearm violence, including the everyday acts of homicide and suicide that account for the vast majority of this country’s gun deaths.

It might sound like a crazy idea wildly out of step with current practice. It’s not.

A dozen states plus the District of Columbia already have some kind of licensing program in place. There’s good reason to think these systems are having at least a mild impact in those places, and that they’d do a lot more if they existed nationwide. That’s especially true if licensing were part of a broader strategy that included bans on assault-style weapons, temporary restraining orders against gun ownership for people who pose likely threats, and other restrictions.

Much More: This Is What A Serious Gun Violence Policy Would Look Like

Interesting article. Definitely worth reading - regardless of which side of the fence you're on.

Was posted yesterday. The "policy" is crap.

More Of The Usual Nonsense -
 
“It’s a call for requiring would-be gun purchasers to first obtain licenses, which the government would grant only for people who go through a protracted process.

The process could entail any number of steps, but in the most ambitious versions it would include completing a gun safety course, paying registration fees, providing character references, and applying in person to local law enforcement. The goal is to reduce all kinds of firearm violence, including the everyday acts of homicide and suicide that account for the vast majority of this country’s gun deaths.” ibid

I wouldn’t have a problem with most of this if the Federal license issued meant no more per gun background checks, no 4473, no waiting periods, and the license would also serve as a concealed carry license valid in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Show the dealer your Federal license, pay for your gun, take your gun home.
 
Just get an illegal weapon.

If you just use it for home defense, ain't nobody going to
know.

If you have to use it to defend your family/home, that will
just be a fine. You can still waste the intruder...that's self-defense
 
It’s not as simple as expanding background checks.

A serious debate over gun policy is underway in the aftermath of last week’s massacre in Florida, and one focus is the federal background check system ― a system that has existed for 20 years but which, by almost all accounts, isn’t doing enough to deter would-be killers from buying firearms.

In theory, almost everybody in Washington wants to strengthen the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, as it’s known. That includes top Republicans, even though they have historically resisted or opposed efforts to control or limit gun access. It even includes President Donald Trump, who on Thursday tweeted support for improving background checks and on Friday said the same thing while answering press questions at the White House.

These vows may be meaningless. Recent history is littered with instances of Republicans dropping support for gun legislation as soon as public interest wanes. As for Trump, his own budget proposal, released earlier this month, proposed cutting funds for the background check system. It’s anybody’s guess whether Trump even understands the promise he has been making over the past few days, let alone whether he intends to keep it.

But if the student-led movement for stronger gun policies doesn’t let up, Trump and his allies may not be able to let go of this idea so easily. They might even decide that the political consequences of inaction are too serious to risk, that some kind of legislation on background checks is necessary.

The question, then, would be what kind of legislation.

On Capitol Hill, the current debate over background checks is focused on two very different proposals. One is an anodyne bill to shore up the existing system by feeding it information in a more timely and consistent fashion. The other is a more sweeping proposal to expand the reach of background checks so they include all sales, not just those that take place through officially licensed dealers.

But there’s another, even more ambitious idea out there ― one that Congress isn’t seriously considering now but that, according to many advocates and experts, could have a bigger impact. It’s a call for requiring would-be gun purchasers to first obtain licenses, which the government would grant only for people who go through a protracted process.

The process could entail any number of steps, but in the most ambitious versions it would include completing a gun safety course, paying registration fees, providing character references, and applying in person to local law enforcement. The goal is to reduce all kinds of firearm violence, including the everyday acts of homicide and suicide that account for the vast majority of this country’s gun deaths.

It might sound like a crazy idea wildly out of step with current practice. It’s not.

A dozen states plus the District of Columbia already have some kind of licensing program in place. There’s good reason to think these systems are having at least a mild impact in those places, and that they’d do a lot more if they existed nationwide. That’s especially true if licensing were part of a broader strategy that included bans on assault-style weapons, temporary restraining orders against gun ownership for people who pose likely threats, and other restrictions.

Much More: This Is What A Serious Gun Violence Policy Would Look Like

Interesting article. Definitely worth reading - regardless of which side of the fence you're on.


Keep your commie policies to yourself and don't ask me to do a damn thing you can't require a criminal to do.


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Wow, obtaining licenses, protracted processes, passing background checks, registration.....

What ever happened to "shall not be infringed?"
Wrong.

Licensing requirements have been consistently upheld by the courts as Constitutional, in no manner an ‘infringement’ on Second Amendment rights.

Indeed, it’s no more an ‘infringement’ than completing the 4473 and waiting around for the background check, or waiting three days before you can take your handgun home, or requiring a license to carry a concealed firearm.

When you turn 21 simply apply for your Federal firearm license; buy new guns online and have them shipped to your front door, buy guns from a brick and mortar dealer as easily as buying a loaf of bread, carry a concealed firearm anywhere in the US – including Times Square and the Lincoln Memorial.

Renew the license every three years for $30, just like an FFL 03.

And I truly hate filling out the 4473.
 
Wow, obtaining licenses, protracted processes, passing background checks, registration.....

What ever happened to "shall not be infringed?"
Wrong.

Licensing requirements have been consistently upheld by the courts as Constitutional, in no manner an ‘infringement’ on Second Amendment rights.

Indeed, it’s no more an ‘infringement’ than completing the 4473 and waiting around for the background check, or waiting three days before you can take your handgun home, or requiring a license to carry a concealed firearm.

When you turn 21 simply apply for your Federal firearm license; buy new guns online and have them shipped to your front door, buy guns from a brick and mortar dealer as easily as buying a loaf of bread, carry a concealed firearm anywhere in the US – including Times Square and the Lincoln Memorial.

Renew the license every three years for $30, just like an FFL 03.

And I truly hate filling out the 4473.

When you are required to pay the government in order to exercise a right, it is no longer a right, but a privilege, and that is unconstitutional.

Be careful what you wish for. Things often don't end the way you think.
 
It’s not as simple as expanding background checks.

A serious debate over gun policy is underway in the aftermath of last week’s massacre in Florida, and one focus is the federal background check system ― a system that has existed for 20 years but which, by almost all accounts, isn’t doing enough to deter would-be killers from buying firearms.

In theory, almost everybody in Washington wants to strengthen the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, as it’s known. That includes top Republicans, even though they have historically resisted or opposed efforts to control or limit gun access. It even includes President Donald Trump, who on Thursday tweeted support for improving background checks and on Friday said the same thing while answering press questions at the White House.

These vows may be meaningless. Recent history is littered with instances of Republicans dropping support for gun legislation as soon as public interest wanes. As for Trump, his own budget proposal, released earlier this month, proposed cutting funds for the background check system. It’s anybody’s guess whether Trump even understands the promise he has been making over the past few days, let alone whether he intends to keep it.

But if the student-led movement for stronger gun policies doesn’t let up, Trump and his allies may not be able to let go of this idea so easily. They might even decide that the political consequences of inaction are too serious to risk, that some kind of legislation on background checks is necessary.

The question, then, would be what kind of legislation.

On Capitol Hill, the current debate over background checks is focused on two very different proposals. One is an anodyne bill to shore up the existing system by feeding it information in a more timely and consistent fashion. The other is a more sweeping proposal to expand the reach of background checks so they include all sales, not just those that take place through officially licensed dealers.

But there’s another, even more ambitious idea out there ― one that Congress isn’t seriously considering now but that, according to many advocates and experts, could have a bigger impact. It’s a call for requiring would-be gun purchasers to first obtain licenses, which the government would grant only for people who go through a protracted process.

The process could entail any number of steps, but in the most ambitious versions it would include completing a gun safety course, paying registration fees, providing character references, and applying in person to local law enforcement. The goal is to reduce all kinds of firearm violence, including the everyday acts of homicide and suicide that account for the vast majority of this country’s gun deaths.

It might sound like a crazy idea wildly out of step with current practice. It’s not.

A dozen states plus the District of Columbia already have some kind of licensing program in place. There’s good reason to think these systems are having at least a mild impact in those places, and that they’d do a lot more if they existed nationwide. That’s especially true if licensing were part of a broader strategy that included bans on assault-style weapons, temporary restraining orders against gun ownership for people who pose likely threats, and other restrictions.

Much More: This Is What A Serious Gun Violence Policy Would Look Like

Interesting article. Definitely worth reading - regardless of which side of the fence you're on.
Licensing is a violation of the 2nd Amendment. There's a reason you don't have to get a license to buy a printing press or a television station, numbnuts.
 
Solution? Buy guns. Learn to use them. Stop relying on government to protect you and your family.


By all means, send your kids to 5th grade classes heavily armed and wearing bulletproof vests.....The "new" American educational environment.

I'd never send my kids to a public school. They went to private schools.

Answer me this Gnat- how many of these "mass" school shootings were at private schools?
 

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