THIS is the real gun violence problem in the US ( and it's the government's fault)

[Mikeoxenormous]

We have the resources we just won't commit them

Feel free to move back

Until we adopt the justice system of Saudi Arabia, crime will continue to grow across the US, because criminals FEEL that they can get away with murder.

 

[Blues Man]

Until we adopt the justice system of Saudi Arabia, crime will continue to grow across the US, because criminals FEEL that they can get away with murder.

No thanks.

But please feel free to move to Saudi Arabia

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

No thanks.

But please feel free to move to Saudi Arabia

Then dont fucking complain about the justice system of the US, because it coddles the criminals, and be damned to the victim....

 

[Blues Man]

Then dont fucking complain about the justice system of the US, because it coddles the criminals, and be damned to the victim....

I am not complaining I am stating a fact.

But like I said if you want to live in a dictatorship where human rights don't matter then please feel free to move to one.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I am not complaining I am stating a fact.

But like I said if you want to live in a dictatorship where human rights don't matter then please feel free to move to one.

I guess you havent been watching what has been happening in the US of late, have you?

 

[Blues Man]

I guess you havent been watching what has been happening in the US of late, have you?

I still would not trade the US for Saudi Arabia

 

[M14 Shooter]

I guess you havent been watching what has been happening in the US of late, have you?

No. Do tell.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I still would not trade the US for Saudi Arabia

Only the punishments for criminals that cannot be fixed..

 

[Blues Man]

Only the punishments for criminals that cannot be fixed..

Too bad we have that damned 8th Amendment huh?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Too bad we have that damned 8th Amendment huh?

Nothing cruel or unusual with a beheading. Quick and easy, much so than a slow death by injection....

 

[Blues Man]

Nothing cruel or unusual with a beheading. Quick and easy, much so than a slow death by injection....

Read the definition issued by SCOTUS

 

[Care4all]

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?

U.S. Rep. John Faso says he opposes some gun-control measures because they target the wrong people. Laws that limit the

www.politifact.com

The real problem with guns and crime in this country is 100% the fault of our State and Federal government's abdication of their responsibilities to enforce the gun laws we have on the books. State prosecutors regularly drop gun charges in pleas deals and even though every single instance of illegal possession of a firearm is a federal crime, these crimes are not tried by federal prosecutors in federal courts.


Now the gun control freaks like to put the blame on all law abiding citizens who legally and responsibly own and use guns. This is proven by the constant call for more and more and more gun laws that target law abiding citizens and not criminals. These laws are not meant to be put on the books to be enforced but rather the strategy of gun control freaks is to falsely claim that even though we have literally thousands of gun laws on the books gun violence hasn't been brought under control.

No laws work if the powers that be refuse to take responsibility for enforcing those laws. So it's time to hold the President, State governors and city mayors, the US attorney's office, State District Attorney's offices and every single politician at state and federal levels accountable for their dereliction of duty.

Weren't all of the illegal guns, LEGAL guns when the manufacturer produced and sold them? How are these LEGAL guns, getting in to the hands of criminals making them illegal guns?

That's where the root of the problem is....not AFTER they have committed a crime with the illegal gun.

 

[Blues Man]

Weren't all of the illegal guns, LEGAL guns when the manufacturer sold them? How are these LEGAL guns, getting in to the hands of criminals making them illegal guns?

That's where the root of the problem is....not AFTER they have committed a crime with the illegal gun.

Any gun that can be purchased by civilians is not an "Illegal" gun

The possession of a gun by a prohibited person as defined in our federal gun laws is illegal.

So now that that point of definition is clarified, there is no real way to completely stop the sale of guns on the black market.

Despite the heavily enforced drug laws in this country law enforcement cannot keep illegal drugs out of society.
But that's where the analogy ends. Drug addiction should be treated as a health issue not so much a crime. Now part of the problem is that drug users and addicts who get arrested are usually back out on the streets pretty quickly so they just score and use again.

The fact is no one on the federal or state level is enforcing gun laws. But the difference here is that violent criminals with a willingness to use guns who get put back on the streets will just commit another violent crime.

We know what happens when gun laws are enforced.

The city if Richmond VA initiated operation exile in 1998. The state AG office in cooperation with the US Attorney's Office prosecuted instances of illegal possession of firearms as federal crimes in federal court with a minimum sentence of 5 years in federal prison and to no one's surprise there was a statisically significant drop in crime across the board.

 

[Care4all]

So now that that point of definition is clarified, there is no real way to completely stop the sale of guns on the black market

But that is where the illegal possession of the gun, starts. And it is a black market that needs crushing from every angle! Those who supply the guns to those who peddle the guns to criminals.

Sure, if there is space in our prisons, go after those caught later too.....

 

[Blues Man]

But that is where the illegal possession of the gun, starts. And it is a black market that needs crushing from every angle! Those who supply the guns to those who peddle the guns to criminals.

Sure, if there is space in our prisons, go after those caught later too.....

We have more than enough prison space considering that there are far more arrests for simple marijuana possession than there are for violent crimes

But tell me if we can't keep a drug as benign as pot off the streets how do you propose eliminating the black market for guns? Hell there is still a thriving black market for cigarettes.

The only way to do that is to actually enforce gun laws and make it extremely unpleasant on criminals who possess guns illegally instead of dropping gun charges in plea deals.

 

[2aguy]

Weren't all of the illegal guns, LEGAL guns when the manufacturer produced and sold them? How are these LEGAL guns, getting in to the hands of criminals making them illegal guns?

That's where the root of the problem is....not AFTER they have committed a crime with the illegal gun.

They steal them...or other criminals with clean records buy them, then sell them illegally to other criminals.

Are you this dumb in real life, or when just when you post?

No...most of the problem isn't that guns exist and that criminals then get their hands on them. The actual problem is that we have a political party that has decided to attack local police in order to undermine their ability to stop violent criminals, and then, the democrats decided that releasing the most violent, repeat gun offenders was a viable strategy for gun control pushing.....

We can catch the actual criminals fairly easily.....the problem, the actual problem, then becomes the democrat party prosecutors, judges and politicians who work over time to then free those criminals over and over again...

 

[2aguy]

But that is where the illegal possession of the gun, starts. And it is a black market that needs crushing from every angle! Those who supply the guns to those who peddle the guns to criminals.

Sure, if there is space in our prisons, go after those caught later too.....

And it is a black market that needs crushing from every angle! Those who supply the guns to those who peddle the guns to criminals.

Yes.....and yet the democrat party, the party you support, refuses to do this every time they release a known, violent, repeat gun offender in possession of an illegal gun.......

Increase the sentence for felons caught in possession of an illegal gun to 15-30 years....if they use that gun in the actual commission of a crime, life in prison.

That is how you stop criminals from getting illegal guns......that is how Japan did it.

This actual solution also has the magical aspect in that it does not impact normal Americans who own guns.....at all. And that is why the democrat party and you hate this solution...you want to ban and confiscate all guns, not just the ones used by criminals.

In fact, by releasing the most dangerous, violent criminals, you are ensuring that guns are used to commit crime and murder, and that actually gives you more power.....for your political agenda, and your gun ban agenda.....

 

[Care4all]

And it is a black market that needs crushing from every angle! Those who supply the guns to those who peddle the guns to criminals.

Yes.....and yet the democrat party, the party you support, refuses to do this every time they release a known, violent, repeat gun offender in possession of an illegal gun.......

Increase the sentence for felons caught in possession of an illegal gun to 15-30 years....if they use that gun in the actual commission of a crime, life in prison.

That is how you stop criminals from getting illegal guns......that is how Japan did it.

This actual solution also has the magical aspect in that it does not impact normal Americans who own guns.....at all. And that is why the democrat party and you hate this solution...you want to ban and confiscate all guns, not just the ones used by criminals.

In fact, by releasing the most dangerous, violent criminals, you are ensuring that guns are used to commit crime and murder, and that actually gives you more power.....for your political agenda, and your gun ban agenda.....

See, you give a handful of examples, but its no where even close to all of them.

And you are talking about in a convoluted way, the drug dealer, vs. the drug user....aren't you?

If you cut off all supply, then you cut out the users....and new users....at least, reduce them.

How does the black market get the guns to sell illegally???

I saw a bust once that showed a guy that had 1500 guns in his garage and home that he was selling on the black market.....this was a while back, don't remember the state?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

See, you give a handful of examples, but its no where even close to all of them.

And you are talking about in a convoluted way, the drug dealer, vs. the drug user....aren't you?

If you cut off all supply, then you cut out the users....and new users....at least, reduce them.

How does the black market get the guns to sell illegally???

Already answered that dumb ass. either stolen or straw buyer.

 

[Care4all]

Already answered that dumb ass. either stolen or straw buyer.

So how do you stop the theft and straw buyers?