This is not racist or screwed up at all. Palestinians to be removed from Jerusalem census.

[Indeependent]

According to resolution 181, Jerusalem (And surrounding territory including Bethlehem.) was to be an international city governed by the UN.

Did Israel win Jerusalem in a defensive war with the UN?

Why did the UN do nothing for 7 days?
They abdicated responsibility and lost sovereignty.
Must have been dead Jews were not important to the UN.

 

[BulletProof]

Generally, no. I don't think individual citizens should be permitted to "vote" on land swaps or which territory ends up under whose sovereignty. Why? Because sovereignty over territory involves considerations which can only be addressed on the level of State Parties, including security, long term interests, resources, economic viability, etc.

You want Israel to practice ethnic cleansing. You claim the would-be victims that that ethnic cleansing want to leave, but you have no explanation for why they then haven't already left. You want to deny them the vote to show their desires, even though in civilized countries the people get to vote on changes of jurisdiction.

That said, I believe individual citizens should absolutely have the right to determine their own citizenship and residency in any sort of agreement.

It's a proposed land swap and the whole point is boost Jewish dominance in the zionist state and to deny the non-Jewish communities any right to determine their own citizenship and residency.

Israel does not want a hostile population within its sovereign territory (that is really not working out), so most places with a high Arab population should be swapped out.

Isreali Palestinians don't cause any more trouble than blacks in American cities, but only a pal of Hitler could blame them for being hostile, given that that their land was taken, and they're treated like third-class citizens whom the Israeli government openly flirts with the idea of expelling.

With respect to Jerusalem, it is my belief that Israel MUST retain the Old City and the Temple Mount,

Yes, and Germany must have Poland. You shouldn't be offended by being compared to Hitler.

 

[Shusha]

There is a lot going on in your posts, and frankly, your meaning is often either not clear or blatantly hostile, so I'm just going to answer as best I can. Since I don't know you well, I will endeavor to engage in good faith at this point.

You want Israel to practice ethnic cleansing.

To be fair, I don't want either side to engage in ethnic cleansing. But I consider that, perhaps, a population exchange is the best long term solution to the conflict with the least amount of damage in the long wrong run and therefore may, in fact, be the most morally correct way forward.

And if we are being fair I "want" BOTH Israel and "Palestine" to practice ethnic cleansing.

It's a proposed land swap and the whole point is boost Jewish dominance in the zionist state and to deny the non-Jewish communities any right to determine their own citizenship and residency.

Yes, I want to boost Jewish dominance in Israel. But I also want to boost Arab Palestinian dominance in "Palestine". I'm all about equal opportunity. Of course, since both the West Bank and Gaza (not to mention every other State in the ME) have ALREADY been cleansed of Jews the reality is that only Israel still needs to do the population exchange. See the problem is that many people want to have a Judenrein Palestine but are uncomfortable about an Arab-free Israel. Why is that, do you think?

I do believe people should be able to determine their own citizenship and residency. If you want to be Palestinian -- you should move to Palestine. We'll even pay you for your trouble. If you want to be Israeli -- you should move to Israel. We'll even pay you for your trouble.

Yes, and Germany must have Poland. You shouldn't be offended by being compared to Hitler.

I have very good reasons for why Israel MUST retain control of the Old City and the all her Holy Places. Quite frankly, the Arab Muslims can't be trusted with them. Proven time and again.

 

[BulletProof]

To be fair, I don't want either side to engage in ethnic cleansing.

Sorry, I can't claim on board your ethnic cleansing train. It's a violation of human rights and a violation of western standards of civilization.

See the problem is that many people want to have a Judenrein Palestine but are uncomfortable about an Arab-free Israel. Why is that, do you think?

Arabs have a right to be there. And, if I were in favor of ethnic cleansing, it wouldn't be the Arabs I'd want to expel.

If you want to be Israeli -- you should move to Israel. We'll even pay you for your trouble.

Only Antichrist Jews are allowed to move to Israel.

I have very good reasons for why Israel MUST retain control of the Old City and the all her Holy Places. Quite frankly, the Arab Muslims can't be trusted with them. Proven time and again.

Didn't the Arabs do okay with the holy places for centuries before 1948(67)? Since 1948, the Christian population has plummeted. Jews did that, not Arab Muslims.

Peace is easy to achieve, but no Zionist wants peace. Either: 1) Israel annexes the occupied land and works on subduing Muslim violence the way America deals with blacks, which includes giving them equal rights, if not preferences. Or, 2) Give real statehood to the Gaza strip and West Bank, which would give them governments interested and empowered in getting along with Israel (ala Jordan, Egypt, and even Syria). Or, 3) return the occupied land to Jordan, Egypt, and Syria.

But. you don't want any of these options, do you?

 

[Shusha]

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what I "want". So far, none of them have been based on my posts, but on some pre-conceived notion you seem to have about me because I happen to support Israel. So let me be clear about what I "want".

Either: 1) Israel annexes the occupied land and works on subduing Muslim violence the way America deals with blacks, which includes giving them equal rights, if not preferences. Or, 2) Give real statehood to the Gaza strip and West Bank, which would give them governments interested and empowered in getting along with Israel (ala Jordan, Egypt, and even Syria). Or, 3) return the occupied land to Jordan, Egypt, and Syria.

With respect to possibility #1: Israel already gives Arab Palestinians equal rights, and actually superior rights in some cases, so your argument is a strawman in assuming that if Israel just "gave Arabs equal rights and subdued the violence" that all will be well. It won't be. There is a fundamental disconnect in the world view of Arab Muslims and Israeli Jews. They are essentially incompatible at this point in time. (Witness the Temple Mount incitement).

#2: You do realize that Israel can't "give" Statehood, right? They have to build it for themselves. Nothing is actually stopping them. (Especially in Gaza which has a set territory). This is actually the solution I argue for most often. Israel withdraws, protects its borders, makes sure it is secure and lets the West Bankians and the Gazans sink or swim. (The problem is that they are likely to sink).

#3: This is my back up plan. If Palestinians can't get their shit together and make a State, then someone is going to have to take them in. It shouldn't be Israel. Its that incompatibility thing again. It should be Jordan and Egypt.

 

[louie888]

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what I "want". So far, none of them have been based on my posts, but on some pre-conceived notion you seem to have about me because I happen to support Israel. So let me be clear about what I "want".

Either: 1) Israel annexes the occupied land and works on subduing Muslim violence the way America deals with blacks, which includes giving them equal rights, if not preferences. Or, 2) Give real statehood to the Gaza strip and West Bank, which would give them governments interested and empowered in getting along with Israel (ala Jordan, Egypt, and even Syria). Or, 3) return the occupied land to Jordan, Egypt, and Syria.

With respect to possibility #1: Israel already gives Arab Palestinians equal rights, and actually superior rights in some cases, so your argument is a strawman in assuming that if Israel just "gave Arabs equal rights and subdued the violence" that all will be well. It won't be. There is a fundamental disconnect in the world view of Arab Muslims and Israeli Jews. They are essentially incompatible at this point in time. (Witness the Temple Mount incitement).

#2: You do realize that Israel can't "give" Statehood, right? They have to build it for themselves. Nothing is actually stopping them. (Especially in Gaza which has a set territory). This is actually the solution I argue for most often. Israel withdraws, protects its borders, makes sure it is secure and lets the West Bankians and the Gazans sink or swim. (The problem is that they are likely to sink).

#3: This is my back up plan. If Palestinians can't get their shit together and make a State, then someone is going to have to take them in. It shouldn't be Israel. Its that incompatibility thing again. It should be Jordan and Egypt.

Remember the topic?

It is racist. It is hypocritical. It is totally screwed up.

 

[Indeependent]

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what I "want". So far, none of them have been based on my posts, but on some pre-conceived notion you seem to have about me because I happen to support Israel. So let me be clear about what I "want".

Either: 1) Israel annexes the occupied land and works on subduing Muslim violence the way America deals with blacks, which includes giving them equal rights, if not preferences. Or, 2) Give real statehood to the Gaza strip and West Bank, which would give them governments interested and empowered in getting along with Israel (ala Jordan, Egypt, and even Syria). Or, 3) return the occupied land to Jordan, Egypt, and Syria.

With respect to possibility #1: Israel already gives Arab Palestinians equal rights, and actually superior rights in some cases, so your argument is a strawman in assuming that if Israel just "gave Arabs equal rights and subdued the violence" that all will be well. It won't be. There is a fundamental disconnect in the world view of Arab Muslims and Israeli Jews. They are essentially incompatible at this point in time. (Witness the Temple Mount incitement).

#2: You do realize that Israel can't "give" Statehood, right? They have to build it for themselves. Nothing is actually stopping them. (Especially in Gaza which has a set territory). This is actually the solution I argue for most often. Israel withdraws, protects its borders, makes sure it is secure and lets the West Bankians and the Gazans sink or swim. (The problem is that they are likely to sink).

#3: This is my back up plan. If Palestinians can't get their shit together and make a State, then someone is going to have to take them in. It shouldn't be Israel. Its that incompatibility thing again. It should be Jordan and Egypt.

Remember the topic?

It is racist. It is hypocritical. It is totally screwed up.

You think in snapshots which makes you unreliable to make major decisions.

 

[montelatici]

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what I "want". So far, none of them have been based on my posts, but on some pre-conceived notion you seem to have about me because I happen to support Israel. So let me be clear about what I "want".

Either: 1) Israel annexes the occupied land and works on subduing Muslim violence the way America deals with blacks, which includes giving them equal rights, if not preferences. Or, 2) Give real statehood to the Gaza strip and West Bank, which would give them governments interested and empowered in getting along with Israel (ala Jordan, Egypt, and even Syria). Or, 3) return the occupied land to Jordan, Egypt, and Syria.

With respect to possibility #1: Israel already gives Arab Palestinians equal rights, and actually superior rights in some cases, so your argument is a strawman in assuming that if Israel just "gave Arabs equal rights and subdued the violence" that all will be well. It won't be. There is a fundamental disconnect in the world view of Arab Muslims and Israeli Jews. They are essentially incompatible at this point in time. (Witness the Temple Mount incitement).

#2: You do realize that Israel can't "give" Statehood, right? They have to build it for themselves. Nothing is actually stopping them. (Especially in Gaza which has a set territory). This is actually the solution I argue for most often. Israel withdraws, protects its borders, makes sure it is secure and lets the West Bankians and the Gazans sink or swim. (The problem is that they are likely to sink).

#3: This is my back up plan. If Palestinians can't get their shit together and make a State, then someone is going to have to take them in. It shouldn't be Israel. Its that incompatibility thing again. It should be Jordan and Egypt.

The British, the League of Nations, the UN and now Israel that have prevented the native people from establishing a sovereign state. There is no way a sovereign state can be built under belligerant military occupation. Stop writing nonsense. Israel has never agreed to remove its troops from the WB or EJ or hand over control of territorial sea, air space or the land border between the WB and Jordan.

 

[Hollie]

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what I "want". So far, none of them have been based on my posts, but on some pre-conceived notion you seem to have about me because I happen to support Israel. So let me be clear about what I "want".

Either: 1) Israel annexes the occupied land and works on subduing Muslim violence the way America deals with blacks, which includes giving them equal rights, if not preferences. Or, 2) Give real statehood to the Gaza strip and West Bank, which would give them governments interested and empowered in getting along with Israel (ala Jordan, Egypt, and even Syria). Or, 3) return the occupied land to Jordan, Egypt, and Syria.

With respect to possibility #1: Israel already gives Arab Palestinians equal rights, and actually superior rights in some cases, so your argument is a strawman in assuming that if Israel just "gave Arabs equal rights and subdued the violence" that all will be well. It won't be. There is a fundamental disconnect in the world view of Arab Muslims and Israeli Jews. They are essentially incompatible at this point in time. (Witness the Temple Mount incitement).

#2: You do realize that Israel can't "give" Statehood, right? They have to build it for themselves. Nothing is actually stopping them. (Especially in Gaza which has a set territory). This is actually the solution I argue for most often. Israel withdraws, protects its borders, makes sure it is secure and lets the West Bankians and the Gazans sink or swim. (The problem is that they are likely to sink).

#3: This is my back up plan. If Palestinians can't get their shit together and make a State, then someone is going to have to take them in. It shouldn't be Israel. Its that incompatibility thing again. It should be Jordan and Egypt.

Remember the topic?

It is racist. It is hypocritical. It is totally screwed up.

When did Arab-Moslem become a "race"?

 

[Hollie]

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what I "want". So far, none of them have been based on my posts, but on some pre-conceived notion you seem to have about me because I happen to support Israel. So let me be clear about what I "want".

Either: 1) Israel annexes the occupied land and works on subduing Muslim violence the way America deals with blacks, which includes giving them equal rights, if not preferences. Or, 2) Give real statehood to the Gaza strip and West Bank, which would give them governments interested and empowered in getting along with Israel (ala Jordan, Egypt, and even Syria). Or, 3) return the occupied land to Jordan, Egypt, and Syria.

With respect to possibility #1: Israel already gives Arab Palestinians equal rights, and actually superior rights in some cases, so your argument is a strawman in assuming that if Israel just "gave Arabs equal rights and subdued the violence" that all will be well. It won't be. There is a fundamental disconnect in the world view of Arab Muslims and Israeli Jews. They are essentially incompatible at this point in time. (Witness the Temple Mount incitement).

#2: You do realize that Israel can't "give" Statehood, right? They have to build it for themselves. Nothing is actually stopping them. (Especially in Gaza which has a set territory). This is actually the solution I argue for most often. Israel withdraws, protects its borders, makes sure it is secure and lets the West Bankians and the Gazans sink or swim. (The problem is that they are likely to sink).

#3: This is my back up plan. If Palestinians can't get their shit together and make a State, then someone is going to have to take them in. It shouldn't be Israel. Its that incompatibility thing again. It should be Jordan and Egypt.

The British, the League of Nations, the UN and now Israel that have prevented the native people from establishing a sovereign state. There is no way a sovereign state can be built under belligerant military occupation. Stop writing nonsense. Israel has never agreed to remove its troops from the WB or EJ or hand over control of territorial sea, air space or the land border between the WB and Jordan.

That's another of the silly conspiracy theories that you seem to have found on your trolling through wiki. There's no need to blame the host of conspirators for the ineptitude and incompetence that prevents the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians" from statehood... or two independent "Pal'istans". Let's just be honest and acknowledge that neither Hamas nor fatah are going to allow the competing mini-caliphate to take exclusive control of the UNRWA welfare fraud money. These two groups will eventually need to finish their civil war with one Islamic terrorist enclave being the eventual "winner".

 

[louie888]

TOPIC:
Palestinians to be removed from Jerusalem census.

Go.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel IS THE hostile population!

Why? Because the Jewish people want a State just like the Arab Palestinians want a State? What is hostile about that?

The Jewish state is in Palestine at the point of a gun.

 

[Indeependent]

TOPIC:
Palestinians to be removed from Jerusalem census.

Go.

It's good to know their needs will be met by the many Arab trillionaire oil sheiks.
In fact, it warms my heart.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel IS THE hostile population!

Why? Because the Jewish people want a State just like the Arab Palestinians want a State? What is hostile about that?

The Jewish state is in Palestine at the point of a gun.

Blame your beloved UN Security Council.

 

[louie888]

It's good to know their needs will be met by the many Arab trillionaire oil sheiks.
In fact, it warms my heart.

You don't care, you don't even understand the topic.

Jerusalem is not even in israel. You people are psychopaths.

 

[P F Tinmore]

To be fair, I don't want either side to engage in ethnic cleansing.

Not allowing Palestinian refugees to go back home is ethnic cleansing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel IS THE hostile population!

Why? Because the Jewish people want a State just like the Arab Palestinians want a State? What is hostile about that?

The Jewish state is in Palestine at the point of a gun.

Blame your beloved UN Security Council.

What about the Security Council?

 

[Indeependent]

It's good to know their needs will be met by the many Arab trillionaire oil sheiks.
In fact, it warms my heart.

You don't care, you don't even understand the topic.

Jerusalem is not even in israel. You people are psychopaths.

I think it's terrific that the many Arab trillionaire oil sheiks are finally going to build the West Bank infrastructure.
You should be thrilled.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel IS THE hostile population!

Why? Because the Jewish people want a State just like the Arab Palestinians want a State? What is hostile about that?

The Jewish state is in Palestine at the point of a gun.

Blame your beloved UN Security Council.

What about the Security Council?

You tell me since you brought them up the other day.
You can't be that stupid.
Well, since you're Palestinian, maybe you can be that stupid.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel IS THE hostile population!

Why? Because the Jewish people want a State just like the Arab Palestinians want a State? What is hostile about that?

The Jewish state is in Palestine at the point of a gun.

Blame your beloved UN Security Council.

What about the Security Council?

You tell me since you brought them up the other day.
You can't be that stupid.
Well, since you're Palestinian, maybe you can be that stupid.

Well, the Security Council never implemented Resolution 181. Yet some people still mention it to pretend to have some legitimacy.