This forum has the tea party all wrong.

[JakeStarkey]

Like the GOP worked with Obama? We are intelligent people on this Board, so don't even try that bull shit. When Romney is elected, I hope the dems show a greater patriotism than the TP mutts to the welfare of America and work with the guy.

 

[Firehorse]

You don't work with someone that is working to destroy the country ... You work against them

 

[Ava]

A new pair of socks?

We DO have a sock, that has returned, CG. You and I remember him/them well. All 4 of them. From last summer.

 

[hortysir]

The TP movement is generally older, generally better off, and generally white.

It is out of touch with a much younger, forward looking, darker American citizen.

The TP looks at the dead past while Younger America looks forward to the challenges of the 21st century.

Unfortunately, we have seen far right wackery try to attach itself to the TP movement, only moving over the side into the dumpster of past history.

The never again vote for anyone over 55.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You don't work with someone that is working to destroy the country ... You work against them

Then the center is going to have to isolate and destroy the far left and the far right.

 

[Firehorse]

No ... Just destroy those that don't want to or have the balls to fix the spending problem and debt the country is now saddled with

 

[JakeStarkey]

That would be the far left and the far right.

 

[BuddyColt]

Okay, I have top confess something:

I once went to some Tea Party functions. I really thought I would blend in, but quickly found out that if you challenge their pet doctrines and question them, you become persona non grata.

That's perplexing. How can you recruit people if you're so insecure in what you believe that it cannot withstand scrutiny and serious discussion?

I have to make a few more posts to get specific, but in general, I found the Tea Party types to be racist, but they would not simply admit it and deal with it. Instead, they would try to legitimize the racism in legal language that did them more harm than good. Their actions created extremely bad legal precedents that undermined the entire Constitution that they wrapped themselves up in.

 

[code1211]

Okay, I have top confess something:

I once went to some Tea Party functions. I really thought I would blend in, but quickly found out that if you challenge their pet doctrines and question them, you become persona non grata.

That's perplexing. How can you recruit people if you're so insecure in what you believe that it cannot withstand scrutiny and serious discussion?

I have to make a few more posts to get specific, but in general, I found the Tea Party types to be racist, but they would not simply admit it and deal with it. Instead, they would try to legitimize the racism in legal language that did them more harm than good. Their actions created extremely bad legal precedents that undermined the entire Constitution that they wrapped themselves up in.

Your opinion may be spot on and then again may be the result of a skewed point of view.

Unless you can quote what "THEY" said, all you are doing is relaying what you are thinking.

 

[startitan]

Wasn't The Tea party supposed to be the ALTERNATIVE to the republicans? Instead, it looks like they're just another branch of them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The GOP has done its best to co-opt the movement, bringing the more reputable elements into the big tent and exclude the bigots, racists, and rednecks.

 

[BuddyColt]

Okay, I have top confess something:

I once went to some Tea Party functions. I really thought I would blend in, but quickly found out that if you challenge their pet doctrines and question them, you become persona non grata.

That's perplexing. How can you recruit people if you're so insecure in what you believe that it cannot withstand scrutiny and serious discussion?

I have to make a few more posts to get specific, but in general, I found the Tea Party types to be racist, but they would not simply admit it and deal with it. Instead, they would try to legitimize the racism in legal language that did them more harm than good. Their actions created extremely bad legal precedents that undermined the entire Constitution that they wrapped themselves up in.

Your opinion may be spot on and then again may be the result of a skewed point of view.

Unless you can quote what "THEY" said, all you are doing is relaying what you are thinking.

That was a point well taken, but I was constrained by not being able to post urls. Okay, that is not the issue. In my experience, the Tea Party would invite a militia group in and once the militia members were participating on the discussion board, the Tea Party would kick the militia organization itself out, siphoning off as many members as they could.

What they were really after was the most radical and racist elements they could find. When I "called" them out on a Tea Party discussion board over a racist sign, the proceeded to treat me like the militia organizations - kicked to the curb in 10 seconds flat.

Yeah, I know the link... unfortunately I had to find it by way of a left promo, but it is what I saw and what we argued over. I demanded to know why the Tea Partiers weren't feed this guy his sign:

"This Sign Is The Brownest Thing On the Entire Block

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI]TEA PARTY RACISM: What The Media Won't Show You About Teabagger Racism - YouTube[/ame]

Check it out at 3: 39 seconds into the video (Actually most of the signs are funny and true), but the one was overtly racist and the Tea Party cheered... if they weren't racists, they would have ripped that sign up and invited the redneck to run for his life.

By kicking me out of their little tree house club, that action spoke volumes.

 

[Annie]

Very funny stuff ... We are out of touch with the youth and black America .... We are however in touch with successful Americans and know what needs to be done to make the optimum number Americans to join the 'successful anericans' group .... You can thank us later for returning your freedoms and future.

You are out of touch with the Constitution and its case law, the rule of law, and the fact it is impossible to return to an idealized American past that never existed to begin with.

And in your reactionary zeal to drag American back to the Dark Ages you’ll succeed only in destroying our individual liberties and the future of this Nation.

Cool, explain exactly how. What 'idealized past' are the tea parties trying to go back to? Cite examples.

Or could this just be a lede into how Hitler and the tea parties are one in the same? How fukin original you are. Not.

 

[code1211]

Okay, I have top confess something:

I once went to some Tea Party functions. I really thought I would blend in, but quickly found out that if you challenge their pet doctrines and question them, you become persona non grata.

That's perplexing. How can you recruit people if you're so insecure in what you believe that it cannot withstand scrutiny and serious discussion?

I have to make a few more posts to get specific, but in general, I found the Tea Party types to be racist, but they would not simply admit it and deal with it. Instead, they would try to legitimize the racism in legal language that did them more harm than good. Their actions created extremely bad legal precedents that undermined the entire Constitution that they wrapped themselves up in.

Your opinion may be spot on and then again may be the result of a skewed point of view.

Unless you can quote what "THEY" said, all you are doing is relaying what you are thinking.

That was a point well taken, but I was constrained by not being able to post urls. Okay, that is not the issue. In my experience, the Tea Party would invite a militia group in and once the militia members were participating on the discussion board, the Tea Party would kick the militia organization itself out, siphoning off as many members as they could.

What they were really after was the most radical and racist elements they could find. When I "called" them out on a Tea Party discussion board over a racist sign, the proceeded to treat me like the militia organizations - kicked to the curb in 10 seconds flat.

Yeah, I know the link... unfortunately I had to find it by way of a left promo, but it is what I saw and what we argued over. I demanded to know why the Tea Partiers weren't feed this guy his sign:

"This Sign Is The Brownest Thing On the Entire Block

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI]TEA PARTY RACISM: What The Media Won't Show You About Teabagger Racism - YouTube[/ame]

Check it out at 3: 39 seconds into the video (Actually most of the signs are funny and true), but the one was overtly racist and the Tea Party cheered... if they weren't racists, they would have ripped that sign up and invited the redneck to run for his life.

By kicking me out of their little tree house club, that action spoke volumes.

I am not a particularly active member of the TEA Party. Their main point is the one that attracts me, though. The government is peopled with conniving thieves and we as the governed populace need to eject the conniving thieves and take back the country.

This general thought process attracts plenty of people with an ax to grind.

I really don't care about race, gender, sex, religion or anything else you might care to throw up as a diversion. If you want to change or remove your organs in a religious ceremony with a diverse group of all genders, that's dandy. Pay for it yourself and leave me the hell alone.

The government is too costly, especially in view of what they deliver at the expense demanded.

I'm sick of it. I really feel the the government in Washington needs to be dialed back to about the size it was in 1950. There was plenty of power there then and it was dirty enough so Frank Kapra was making movies about it.

There would still be enough corruption to satisfy those who need it to live, but at least it wouldn't cost the rest of so much to support the lying thieves who live to act like kings on our dime.

Bring my government home to me where I can look into the eyes of the lying thieves and vote him out because i can see he's a lying thief up close and personal.

 

[BuddyColt]

Your opinion may be spot on and then again may be the result of a skewed point of view.

Unless you can quote what "THEY" said, all you are doing is relaying what you are thinking.

That was a point well taken, but I was constrained by not being able to post urls. Okay, that is not the issue. In my experience, the Tea Party would invite a militia group in and once the militia members were participating on the discussion board, the Tea Party would kick the militia organization itself out, siphoning off as many members as they could.

What they were really after was the most radical and racist elements they could find. When I "called" them out on a Tea Party discussion board over a racist sign, the proceeded to treat me like the militia organizations - kicked to the curb in 10 seconds flat.

Yeah, I know the link... unfortunately I had to find it by way of a left promo, but it is what I saw and what we argued over. I demanded to know why the Tea Partiers weren't feed this guy his sign:

"This Sign Is The Brownest Thing On the Entire Block

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI]TEA PARTY RACISM: What The Media Won't Show You About Teabagger Racism - YouTube[/ame]

Check it out at 3: 39 seconds into the video (Actually most of the signs are funny and true), but the one was overtly racist and the Tea Party cheered... if they weren't racists, they would have ripped that sign up and invited the redneck to run for his life.

By kicking me out of their little tree house club, that action spoke volumes.

I am not a particularly active member of the TEA Party. Their main point is the one that attracts me, though. The government is peopled with conniving thieves and we as the governed populace need to eject the conniving thieves and take back the country.

This general thought process attracts plenty of people with an ax to grind.

I really don't care about race, gender, sex, religion or anything else you might care to throw up as a diversion. If you want to change or remove your organs in a religious ceremony with a diverse group of all genders, that's dandy. Pay for it yourself and leave me the hell alone.

The government is too costly, especially in view of what they deliver at the expense demanded.

I'm sick of it. I really feel the the government in Washington needs to be dialed back to about the size it was in 1950. There was plenty of power there then and it was dirty enough so Frank Kapra was making movies about it.

There would still be enough corruption to satisfy those who need it to live, but at least it wouldn't cost the rest of so much to support the lying thieves who live to act like kings on our dime.

Bring my government home to me where I can look into the eyes of the lying thieves and vote him out because i can see he's a lying thief up close and personal.

I think one sentence summed up where you and I have a really strong agreement. You wrote: "The government is too costly, especially in view of what they deliver at the expense demanded."

I would be for any political effort to reduce the size, power and scope of government. Throughout much of the 1980s and 1990s I worked hard at reducing government and promoting privacy Rights. I tried to expand on the Privacy Act of 1974 to eliminate the need for the SSN and in the 1980s was involved in court cases against the income tax.

Great strides were being made to get rid of such agencies like the IRS and the Federal Reserve (among others.) In 2003, Jim Gilchrist revived the old K.K.K. Border Patrol idea and the right (especially the Tea Party) jumped onto the anti - immigrant / National Socialist bandwagon.

While the Tea Party talked of reducing taxes, they backed the anti - immigrant / National Socialist policies that created the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security at a cost so far of upward of a TRILLION DOLLARS so far.

In doing so, the Tea Party has attacked your Right to Privacy, instituted National ID / REAL ID Act, and destroyed the unalienable Rights of the American people. BEFORE the Tea Party and the Minutemen, the constitutionalists were making great strides at eliminating government agencies and reducing the size, power and scope of government. AFTER the anti immigrant efforts (which are supported by the Tea Party), we have the so - called "Patriot Act" (which nullified the Bill of Rights); we have a Hitler inspired National ID / REAL ID Act to promote a socialist agenda; we have dimwits lobbying to spend TRILLIONS on a wall around America (as if foreigners are too stupid to build a freaking tunnel.)

When you get down to the nitty gritty of it, Obama spent more money during his term of office than all other presidents combined! The flip side to that, Obama merely signed off on legislation, three quarters of which was proposed by people sympathetic to "Tea Party" principles. The Tea Party has endorsed more waste and done so on political arguments that wouldn't fool a fifth grader.

 

[California Girl]

The TP movement is generally older, generally better off, and generally white.

It is out of touch with a much younger, forward looking, darker American citizen.

The TP looks at the dead past while Younger America looks forward to the challenges of the 21st century.

Unfortunately, we have seen far right wackery try to attach itself to the TP movement, only moving over the side into the dumpster of past history.

That's actually not true.... but you've rarely been one to use truth in abundance.

 

[California Girl]

The GOP has done its best to co-opt the movement, bringing the more reputable elements into the big tent and exclude the bigots, racists, and rednecks.

The TEA Party doesn't want to be in your 'big tent', dumbass. That's kind of why it started... they are sick of you and your ilk lol just as much as they are sick of the Dems and their ilk.

There are only 10 principles that the TEA Party support... all are about the Government... none are to do with race, religion or any other social issue.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The TP movement is generally older, generally better off, and generally white.

It is out of touch with a much younger, forward looking, darker American citizen.

The TP looks at the dead past while Younger America looks forward to the challenges of the 21st century.

Unfortunately, we have seen far right wackery try to attach itself to the TP movement, only moving over the side into the dumpster of past history.

That's actually not true.... but you've rarely been one to use truth in abundance.

That's actually very true, and your understanding of the facts remains somewhat limited.

The TP movement is being isolated bit by bit. It will still have moments of success that ends in defeat: elimination of Lugar leading to a Democratic senator this fall, which may well go to keeping the Senate democratic next year. The mainstream GOP's success will be measured in the reduced number of TP reps and senators in the next term.

 

[BuddyColt]

The GOP has done its best to co-opt the movement, bringing the more reputable elements into the big tent and exclude the bigots, racists, and rednecks.

The TEA Party doesn't want to be in your 'big tent', dumbass. That's kind of why it started... they are sick of you and your ilk lol just as much as they are sick of the Dems and their ilk.

There are only 10 principles that the TEA Party support... all are about the Government... none are to do with race, religion or any other social issue.

I realize that this is a bit off - topic, but California Girl, you spend a lot of time calling people names. You come out of the chute calling people names instead of challenging their political position with facts. Here, just like the immigration forum, people are telling you that you have only a limited knowledge of a subject you think you know something about. You claimed, in the immigration forum, to have an Ivy league education at one of the big, hush, hush universities. My advice still stands. Sue them for their failure.

Now, back to the Tea Party. The Tea Party is much like the Democrats. They are recruiting every disgruntled person out there and trying to make a political party from among special interests groups.

OTOH, the strategy works for the Democrats, except one in power they never seem to go in any particular direction. If you applaud loudly enough, Democrats will champion your cause. BTW, I'm not letting the Republicans off the hook. When the opportunity arises, I'll rant against them as well.

 

[JakeStarkey]

California Girl is a richy girl, doncha know, buddycolt.

She likes to call names, likes to pretend she is of the people, but she is not.