Thinking Ahead.....tuition Free Higher Education

[Samson]

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Willful ignorance.

Thanks for the admission.

It will be the first step towards your recovery from Pitiful Stupidity.

I am guessing that you know how lame that is. To try and use another's comment like that is just tired USMB nutter shit. It is done so often here.....and is such a weak attempt to insult someone.....that you ought to know better.

As you typed that, were you a little embarrassed? You must have been.

No, but your reply, filled with blithering stupidity confirming everyone's expectations is satisfactory.

Bravo, please continue to dance, monkey.

Oh.....it's that other tired USMB nutter tactic.

Continue addressing someone in post after post.....and then exclaim that you are their puppet master because they continue to slam your stupidity in your face.

Good to see you're still dancing

Keep entertaining me with your stupidity!

 

[Samson]

Apply some critical thinking to that last statement and get back to Me when you come up with a better answer.

Get back to me when you can address it directly

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

I said education...look at their population then look at ours. This false comparison you just made is like asking you "How many blue crosses does the US have on their flag? None! Shall I go on"

You said: "We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?"

Now you say you only meant "further ahead of us" in education.

Yet their "superior" education only allows them to be "superior" in........education?

Silly me, I thought there was actually a PURPOSE for this effort, and a RESULT that would have NATIONAL BENEFITS.

 

[Unkotare]

Germany has returned to a policy of tuition free universities.

Germany Free college education for everyone Tuition unjust -- Society s Child -- Sott.net

Smart. This is an investment with great returns for the citizenry.

We ought to be doing the same thing.

You can already learn nearly everything taught in universities for free

No you can't. Don't start this stupid shit again.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Get back to me when you can address it directly

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

I said education...look at their population then look at ours. This false comparison you just made is like asking you "How many blue crosses does the US have on their flag? None! Shall I go on"

You said: "We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?"

Now you say you only meant "further ahead of us" in education.

Yet their "superior" education only allows them to be "superior" in........education?

Silly me, I thought there was actually a PURPOSE for this effort, and a RESULT that would have NATIONAL BENEFITS.

Excuse me but I missed the part where a more educated public is a bad thing. Could you say a few words on that?

 

[Unkotare]

'Free' university for all would be a disastrous mistake for the US.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

I said education...look at their population then look at ours. This false comparison you just made is like asking you "How many blue crosses does the US have on their flag? None! Shall I go on"

You said: "We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?"

Now you say you only meant "further ahead of us" in education.

Yet their "superior" education only allows them to be "superior" in........education?

Silly me, I thought there was actually a PURPOSE for this effort, and a RESULT that would have NATIONAL BENEFITS.

Excuse me but I missed the part where a more educated public is a bad thing. Could you say a few words on that?

Someone did say that it would be bad because you wouldn't have anyone left to do the shit jobs if everyone got an education and went all "elitist" and shit.

 

[LoneLaugher]

'Free' university for all would be a disastrous mistake for the US.

We'll just read your mind. No need to express why.

I understand ........it's probably better for you that way.

 

[martybegan]

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

I said education...look at their population then look at ours. This false comparison you just made is like asking you "How many blue crosses does the US have on their flag? None! Shall I go on"

You said: "We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?"

Now you say you only meant "further ahead of us" in education.

Yet their "superior" education only allows them to be "superior" in........education?

Silly me, I thought there was actually a PURPOSE for this effort, and a RESULT that would have NATIONAL BENEFITS.

Excuse me but I missed the part where a more educated public is a bad thing. Could you say a few words on that?

Someone did say that it would be bad because you wouldn't have anyone left to do the shit jobs if everyone got an education and went all "elitist" and shit.

They would also waste a productive portion of the lives in pursuing a degree that does them no go in the job market.

Did you also ignore the fact that Germany has a strong apprentice system, and it is not assumed that everyone can to to College? That you have to pass a test to get INTO any univeristy?

 

[Unkotare]

It would be a bad idea because what has made American universities by far the best in the world is COMPETITION. One of the reasons why public k-12 education in America is NOT by far the best in the world is a lack of same.

That being said, there are so many options today that no one who really wants a college education need go without.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

I said education...look at their population then look at ours. This false comparison you just made is like asking you "How many blue crosses does the US have on their flag? None! Shall I go on"

You said: "We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?"

Now you say you only meant "further ahead of us" in education.

Yet their "superior" education only allows them to be "superior" in........education?

Silly me, I thought there was actually a PURPOSE for this effort, and a RESULT that would have NATIONAL BENEFITS.

Excuse me but I missed the part where a more educated public is a bad thing. Could you say a few words on that?

Someone did say that it would be bad because you wouldn't have anyone left to do the shit jobs if everyone got an education and went all "elitist" and shit.

But of course thats assuming that everyone in America decides to all go to school, all take tech jobs, all graduate and all find jobs in that field and all stay there for life

 

[LoneLaugher]

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

I said education...look at their population then look at ours. This false comparison you just made is like asking you "How many blue crosses does the US have on their flag? None! Shall I go on"

You said: "We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?"

Now you say you only meant "further ahead of us" in education.

Yet their "superior" education only allows them to be "superior" in........education?

Silly me, I thought there was actually a PURPOSE for this effort, and a RESULT that would have NATIONAL BENEFITS.

Excuse me but I missed the part where a more educated public is a bad thing. Could you say a few words on that?

Someone did say that it would be bad because you wouldn't have anyone left to do the shit jobs if everyone got an education and went all "elitist" and shit.

But of course thats assuming that everyone in America decides to all go to school, all take tech jobs, all graduate and all find jobs in that field and all stay there for life

Well.....that would happen.....riiiiiiiigggghhhhhttttt?

 

[LoneLaugher]

It would be a bad idea because what has made American universities by far the best in the world is COMPETITION. One of the reasons why public k-12 education in America is NOT by far the best in the world is a lack of same.

That being said, there are so many options today that no one who really wants a college education need go without.

Making public Universties free would not reduce competition.

 

[flacaltenn]

They sure as hell are not opting for the hard stuff. I can hardly find an American kid in a graduate engineering program. I know this for a fact. They all wanna be MBAs because you got to be the boss who doesnt have a clue as to how the product actually works...

On the other hand, I've met plenty of unemployed engineers. Oil prices drop, car manufacturer has a bad year, NASA cuts their budget, and these very highly trained specialists find themselves on the streets.

Yep.. The message hasn't gone out. The nature of a job has changed. Even the Chinese recognize that "cheap labor" is a passing fad and they are investing heavily in 21st century automation. And it's changed for engineers and scientists.. The availability of technical tools has changed the playing field for innovation..

Starting Yesterday -- technical innovation is now available to individuals. Don't need a huge corporate structure. You can download FREE compilers and be developing mobile platform apps in a week. I have accumulated all of the tools and capabilities that most of my former full time employers could only dream about.

Consumer market for technology has shrunk to 4 or 5 key products. And all of our domestic supply chain for building those phones, tablets and audio gear is WAAAY gone.. It's NOT coming back, because there are no volume applications outside of those key 5 items.

You all can fight about the politics and stomp your feet, but the INDIVIDUAL is now "liberated" to be a producer of intellectual property.
And the way folks organize to build "products" is gonna look different.

Which leaves you with a mess of problems about how to restructure the training and education part. Yeah -- I know, not everyone is gonna be an entrepreneur. But they COULD BE content/media/Intel.Prop creators.

SMALL companies can cover more NICHE markets. Like in aids for the disabled, or customized items, or music that only 30,000 people want to hear.

IT WILL BE A DISASTER OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS -- if folks continue to depend on unskilled jobs that are going to largely disappear, OR expect GIANT companies to be hiring the bulk tech professionals.

Gotta get them THRU HIGH SCHOOL first. Then argue about college.
I think the future of college is a TWO YEAR certification that is tailored to sparking creativity and disciplined life-long learning. Was a time when learning about Chaucer was only gonna happen as a $50K/year undergrad. That's not the case today.

Create or starve.. Pretty much.. It's more up to individuals NOW than ever since agrarian times..

 

[Unkotare]

It would be a bad idea because what has made American universities by far the best in the world is COMPETITION. One of the reasons why public k-12 education in America is NOT by far the best in the world is a lack of same.

That being said, there are so many options today that no one who really wants a college education need go without.

Making public Universties free would not reduce competition.

Of course it would. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[flacaltenn]

It would be a bad idea because what has made American universities by far the best in the world is COMPETITION. One of the reasons why public k-12 education in America is NOT by far the best in the world is a lack of same.

That being said, there are so many options today that no one who really wants a college education need go without.

Making public Universties free would not reduce competition.

That's a silly notion.. Shows you haven't thought this thru..
How would MIT get reimbursed versus Pocoima Univ? You think there a fair way for the govt to PAY those 2 institutions? All you see is the big-assed FREE sign and not the inner workings. Just like in the FREE healthcare debate. When the universities are getting PAID almost identically in reimbursements --- what HAPPENS TO THE uniqueness of their staff and quality??

And who gets to tell my kid that they CAN'T go to Emory Univ or Vanderbilt?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why is competition more of an important topic than educating the next generation of leaders?

 

[Unkotare]

And who gets to tell my kid that they CAN'T go to Emory Univ or Vanderbilt?

The same seat-filling cheap suit who will be telling you that you can't get certain medical treatments if you are over a certain age.

 

[Samson]

They sure as hell are not opting for the hard stuff. I can hardly find an American kid in a graduate engineering program. I know this for a fact. They all wanna be MBAs because you got to be the boss who doesnt have a clue as to how the product actually works...

On the other hand, I've met plenty of unemployed engineers. Oil prices drop, car manufacturer has a bad year, NASA cuts their budget, and these very highly trained specialists find themselves on the streets.

Yep.. The message hasn't gone out. The nature of a job has changed. Even the Chinese recognize that "cheap labor" is a passing fad and they are investing heavily in 21st century automation. And it's changed for engineers and scientists.. The availability of technical tools has changed the playing field for innovation..

Starting Yesterday -- technical innovation is now available to individuals. Don't need a huge corporate structure. You can download FREE compilers and be developing mobile platform apps in a week. I have accumulated all of the tools and capabilities that most of my former full time employers could only dream about.

Consumer market for technology has shrunk to 4 or 5 key products. And all of our domestic supply chain for building those phones, tablets and audio gear is WAAAY gone.. It's NOT coming back, because there are no volume applications outside of those key 5 items.

You all can fight about the politics and stomp your feet, but the INDIVIDUAL is now "liberated" to be a producer of intellectual property.
And the way folks organize to build "products" is gonna look different.

Which leaves you with a mess of problems about how to restructure the training and education part. Yeah -- I know, not everyone is gonna be an entrepreneur. But they COULD BE content/media/Intel.Prop creators.

SMALL companies can cover more NICHE markets. Like in aids for the disabled, or customized items, or music that only 30,000 people want to hear.

IT WILL BE A DISASTER OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS -- if folks continue to depend on unskilled jobs that are going to largely disappear, OR expect GIANT companies to be hiring the bulk tech professionals.

Gotta get them THRU HIGH SCHOOL first. Then argue about college.
I think the future of college is a TWO YEAR certification that is tailored to sparking creativity and disciplined life-long learning. Was a time when learning about Chaucer was only gonna happen as a $50K/year undergrad. That's not the case today.

Create or starve.. Pretty much.. It's more up to individuals NOW than ever since agrarian times..

Excellent. Particularly agree with the ongoing weakness of expectations that Giant Companies will hire professionals. They are DINOSAURS.

 

[Samson]

You must be Finnish, wanting others to do for you.

What does it mean when you are asked to apply critical thought to a statement? Do you know?

Let Me help you out.

50 years ago, a high school diploma was all that was needed to get a good paying job, and people thought that if everyone had one, then society would be so much better off.

Except that when nearly everyone had one..........


Now, finish the thought if you can.

I'll finish it...

We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?
We tell the world we arent playing their "higher education" game?
If everyone is better educated then that would be bad?

I'm trying to find the downside...really

"Let the world get ahead of us?"

Has Finland put a Man on The Moon?

What Make Automobile does Finland produce?

How many Fins helped defend Bosnia from Serbian Genocidal Maniacs?

Shall I go on?

I said education...look at their population then look at ours. This false comparison you just made is like asking you "How many blue crosses does the US have on their flag? None! Shall I go on"

You said: "We give up and let the world get further ahead of us?"

Now you say you only meant "further ahead of us" in education.

Yet their "superior" education only allows them to be "superior" in........education?

Silly me, I thought there was actually a PURPOSE for this effort, and a RESULT that would have NATIONAL BENEFITS.

Excuse me but I missed the part where a more educated public is a bad thing. Could you say a few words on that?

Sure.

Being "more educated" doesn't mean shit if you starve to death.

I tried to limit my response to as few words as possible.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Germany has returned to a policy of tuition free universities.

Germany Free college education for everyone Tuition unjust -- Society s Child -- Sott.net

Smart. This is an investment with great returns for the citizenry.

We ought to be doing the same thing.

You can already learn nearly everything taught in universities for free

No you can't. Don't start this stupid shit again.

The only stupid shit in this thread is you.

Feel free to put me on ignore Ucunthair lord knows I don't want to read your shit anymore