Then they came for us...

[bripat9643]

I do not think that term means what you think it means. I realize it's convenient for you to drag it out, but please think for five minutes about this.

A social democracy achieves its goals through DEMOCRACY-voting, demonstrations, peaceful marches, peaceful occupations, petition drives, etc, etc, etc. Not through violent revolution.

Oddball has listed violent revolutions. Nazi Germany. The USSR. Mao's China. Three social upheavals accomplished by violence and the threat of violence. Through terror tactics, not through voting.

Therefore, Oddball has not listed social democracies. Oddball claimed that they started as social democracies and devolved into tyranny. He is totally, completely, factually, mistaken. Both you and he should admit that you were mistaken in calling these three governments social democracies, and move on to another point.

Hitler attained office through Democratic means, not violent revolution. The Wiemar Republic was a "social democracy," as you define the term. You obviously don't know your history. It doesn't matter how it's achieved, fascism is fascism. Government control over any industry is fascism. The Nazis had exactly the same kind of healthcare that ignorant turds like you support.

 

[bripat9643]

Are you saying that if applied properly, authoritarianism is a good thing?

Yea, because a king has never been a nice person ever.

I'll take a king over Obama and Harry Reid any day of the week. Name one king who shook down his subject for 50% of their income.

 

[Crackerjack]

Are you saying that if applied properly, authoritarianism is a good thing?

Yea, because a king has never been a nice person ever.

I'll take a king over Obama and Harry Reid any day of the week. Name one king who shook down his subject for 50% of their income.

Generally the peasants revolted before it ever got that high.

Oh wait ...

 

[bripat9643]

I'll take a king over Obama and Harry Reid any day of the week. Name one king who shook down his subjects for 50% of their income.

Generally the peasants revolted before it ever got that high.

Oh wait ...

Wrong. No monarchy ever siphoned off more than 5% of a country's GDP. AFter the peasants revolted, they ended up paying 10 times more to the state than they did under the monarchy. That's the history of democracy, and endless spiral of increasing debt and higher taxes.

Democracy is one of the greatest cons of all times. Morons are put in charge of the government and then they get swindled constantly by an endless series of con artists. At least a monarch has a vested interest in keeping the country financially solvent. Politicians under democracy have no such interest.

 

[JDzBrain]

My God. No, Hitler did not come to lead Germany through the democratic process.

I don't know how anyone can be so COMPLETELY IGNORANT in the face of ALL historic documentation that puts lie to your rantings.

YES...dumbass, Hitler's Nazi party was democratically elected to parliament...then he was APPOINTED Chancellor by then President Hindenburg as the NEW HEAD of the coalition government formed by the by Nazis who had just been elected to parliament. Which is EXACTLY what I said in my post...IF you weren't so narcissisticly obsessed with proving yourself right that you would have actually READ IT!

Dude, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and have the world believe you a fool than open your mouth and PROVE IT!

 

[Big Fitz]

Dude...in 1933, Hitler was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED to the parliament in Germany. Goebbels, Himmler, and a nearly a dozen other Nazi (National Socialist) party members were DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED to the parliament at the same time. Hitler and his Nazi party members formed a NEW collation government with him as it's chancellor. They quickly LEGALLY began to centralize power and when the president that appointed him Chancellor died in 34, he and his cronies declared him Führer and started killing off the competition.

The Nazi's came to power through the use of the democratic process. And so did the others Oddball listed...as do MOST despots and tyrants!

The lack of historical reference to make these ridiculous claims of rebuttal is stunning!

But I guess it's to be expected from folks who look to comics whose only claim to fame is an ability to read from a teleprompter, the rantings of a bunch of coked up writers siting in the basement of a studio somewhere to get there insight into the world!

My God. No, Hitler did not come to lead Germany through the democratic process. The USSR was not a social democracy established through the democratic process. No, Mao did not come to power through the democratic process. Your claims are nonsense.

Hitler came to power legally, but not democratically. You both deny and admit that in your post. A single member of Parliament does not rule a nation, lead a nation to war, or establish concentration camps. Duh. Hitler obtained the Chancellorship through intimidation of those with power in Germany, through violence in the streets and threats of more violence. You've distorted history by leaving out all the inconvenient facts. I can elaborate if necessary, but honestly, do you really not know any better?

And yet, he's still not wrong, McEnroe. Screaming about the fact it's not what they intended does not change what they did. Not to mention JDz pwned you once again by reminding you Hitler WAS popularly elected, much like the fiend Chavez who is his ideological kith and kin.

Again.

Game, Set, Match to Oddball.

Again. Oddball started from an idiot's premise-that Nazi Germany, that the USSR, that Mao's China were initially social democracies that devolved into tyranny. Those nations were never social democracies. They were not established as social democracies.

Hitler was not elected to lead Germany "like Chavez". Hitler won an election to Parliament. Do you understand what that means, as opposed to being elected as a national LEADER?

Read something for yourself for a change instead of being led by the nose. Oddball is simply wrong.

Nor did Chavez, Ortega, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, Kim Il Sung, Franco and a half dozen OTHER dictators who were ELECTED by the people or the rabble rousing 'elite' who had control at the time of chaos.

I didn't realize people could score a negative on the SAT before.

 

[SAT2]

I don't know how anyone can be so COMPLETELY IGNORANT in the face of ALL historic documentation that puts lie to your rantings.

YES...dumbass, Hitler's Nazi party was democratically elected to parliament...then he was APPOINTED Chancellor by then President Hindenburg as the NEW HEAD of the coalition government formed by the by Nazis who had just been elected to parliament. Which is EXACTLY what I said in my post...IF you weren't so narcissisticly obsessed with proving yourself right that you would have actually READ IT!

Dude, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and have the world believe you a fool than open your mouth and PROVE IT!

You're lying by omission. Or you're just ignorant.

Hitler used violence and intimidation to ascend to the Chancellorship. You correctly state that the President appointed him, but ignore the behavior of the Nazi party up to the point that Hindenburg made the appointment, and that Hitler then drastically expanded the power of the office to which he got himself appointed.

Nor did Chavez, Ortega, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, Kim Il Sung, Franco and a half dozen OTHER dictators who were ELECTED by the people or the rabble rousing 'elite' who had control at the time of chaos.

I didn't realize people could score a negative on the SAT before.

Please look up the biographies of those men and get back to me when you have a better handle on how they got into power-you're listing men who took power in a variety of ways. You seem to have just listed guys you don't like, and we're supposed to believe that they all have the same story.

Leading a violent revolution and taking power is not the same as being elected to an office. [I can't believe you don't realize this.]

Also, how is a dictator elected by a "rabble rousing elite" during a time of chaos? Do you know of some leader who was elected by an 'elite'? If you do, how can that be called a democracy, if only an 'elite' can vote?

 

[Big Fitz]

I don't know how anyone can be so COMPLETELY IGNORANT in the face of ALL historic documentation that puts lie to your rantings.

YES...dumbass, Hitler's Nazi party was democratically elected to parliament...then he was APPOINTED Chancellor by then President Hindenburg as the NEW HEAD of the coalition government formed by the by Nazis who had just been elected to parliament. Which is EXACTLY what I said in my post...IF you weren't so narcissisticly obsessed with proving yourself right that you would have actually READ IT!

Dude, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and have the world believe you a fool than open your mouth and PROVE IT!

You're lying by omission. Or you're just ignorant.

Hitler used violence and intimidation to ascend to the Chancellorship. You correctly state that the President appointed him, but ignore the behavior of the Nazi party up to the point that Hindenburg made the appointment, and that Hitler then drastically expanded the power of the office to which he got himself appointed.

Nor did Chavez, Ortega, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, Kim Il Sung, Franco and a half dozen OTHER dictators who were ELECTED by the people or the rabble rousing 'elite' who had control at the time of chaos.

I didn't realize people could score a negative on the SAT before.

Please look up the biographies of those men and get back to me when you have a better handle on how they got into power-you're listing men who took power in a variety of ways. You seem to have just listed guys you don't like, and we're supposed to believe that they all have the same story.

Leading a violent revolution and taking power is not the same as being elected to an office. [I can't believe you don't realize this.]

Also, how is a dictator elected by a "rabble rousing elite" during a time of chaos? Do you know of some leader who was elected by an 'elite'? If you do, how can that be called a democracy, if only an 'elite' can vote?

Ah yes.... more "No True Scotsman" defense.

You are a certifiable joke.

 

[SAT2]

I don't know how anyone can be so COMPLETELY IGNORANT in the face of ALL historic documentation that puts lie to your rantings.

YES...dumbass, Hitler's Nazi party was democratically elected to parliament...then he was APPOINTED Chancellor by then President Hindenburg as the NEW HEAD of the coalition government formed by the by Nazis who had just been elected to parliament. Which is EXACTLY what I said in my post...IF you weren't so narcissisticly obsessed with proving yourself right that you would have actually READ IT!

Dude, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and have the world believe you a fool than open your mouth and PROVE IT!

You're lying by omission. Or you're just ignorant.

Hitler used violence and intimidation to ascend to the Chancellorship. You correctly state that the President appointed him, but ignore the behavior of the Nazi party up to the point that Hindenburg made the appointment, and that Hitler then drastically expanded the power of the office to which he got himself appointed.

Nor did Chavez, Ortega, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, Kim Il Sung, Franco and a half dozen OTHER dictators who were ELECTED by the people or the rabble rousing 'elite' who had control at the time of chaos.

I didn't realize people could score a negative on the SAT before.

Please look up the biographies of those men and get back to me when you have a better handle on how they got into power-you're listing men who took power in a variety of ways. You seem to have just listed guys you don't like, and we're supposed to believe that they all have the same story.

Leading a violent revolution and taking power is not the same as being elected to an office. [I can't believe you don't realize this.]

Also, how is a dictator elected by a "rabble rousing elite" during a time of chaos? Do you know of some leader who was elected by an 'elite'? If you do, how can that be called a democracy, if only an 'elite' can vote?

Ah yes.... more "No True Scotsman" defense.

You are a certifiable joke.

Nice evasion, lazy guy.

 

[Big Fitz]

You're lying by omission. Or you're just ignorant.

Hitler used violence and intimidation to ascend to the Chancellorship. You correctly state that the President appointed him, but ignore the behavior of the Nazi party up to the point that Hindenburg made the appointment, and that Hitler then drastically expanded the power of the office to which he got himself appointed.



Please look up the biographies of those men and get back to me when you have a better handle on how they got into power-you're listing men who took power in a variety of ways. You seem to have just listed guys you don't like, and we're supposed to believe that they all have the same story.

Leading a violent revolution and taking power is not the same as being elected to an office. [I can't believe you don't realize this.]

Also, how is a dictator elected by a "rabble rousing elite" during a time of chaos? Do you know of some leader who was elected by an 'elite'? If you do, how can that be called a democracy, if only an 'elite' can vote?

Ah yes.... more "No True Scotsman" defense.

You are a certifiable joke.

Nice evasion, lazy guy.

What's to evade? Your consistency to not be able to get a fact right is almost with quartz-like precision. The Swiss could make a good clock out of your achievements in failure.

 

[JDzBrain]

You're lying by omission. Or you're just ignorant.

Takes a pretty insightful fella to call a man he don't know from Adam's allfox a liar!

That, or a...well never mind. I'm done arguing with a TROLL that thinks that a former army grunt and prisoner, a few ex pats and about 200 party members intimidated 35% of the entire German population into voting for him for president in 1933. Hitler used the democratic process and influence peddling by some well healed ex pats who still held a grudge over WWI to rise to power...PERIOD!

Dude, your lack of historical perspective IS historic!

And just so you understand how your numb minded lack of historical reference is so historic, do you mean intimidation like SEIU members standing...at the direction of Obama's best bud, Richard Trumka...standing on the front lawn of a banker's house screaming for his head while his 12 year old was laying on the floor inside in the fetal position?

Or maybe it's Wisconsin lawmakers having to have ARMED ESCORTS to protect them from union thugs and democrat drones...who had BROKEN INTO the capitol building, by the way...just so they could leave the state house alive?

How about the of violence of SEIU thugs beating a black man to unconsciousness who was peacefully selling tee shirts at a TEA Party rally in 2009?

That kind of violence and intimidation?

He who fails to learn from history is doomed to repeat it!

Dude, you really need to stop talking and start LISTENING. Cause it's obvious the reading comprehension ain't where it ought to be!

 

[Big Fitz]

Takes a pretty insightful fella to call a man he don't know from Adam's allfox a liar!

Yeppers!

BTW, for your edification, the expression is "Adam's Off Ox". The expression came from when you had oxen teams and the front right ox was called the "Off Ox" because it was offset from the driver and farthest away. This made it hard to see and know what it was doing.

But SAT IS like another old phrase: He's as useful as chicken shit on a pump handle.

 

[JDzBrain]

Takes a pretty insightful fella to call a man he don't know from Adam's allfox a liar!

Yeppers!

BTW, for your edification, the expression is "Adam's Off Ox". The expression came from when you had oxen teams and the front right ox was called the "Off Ox" because it was offset from the driver and farthest away. This made it hard to see and know what it was doing.

But SAT IS like another old phrase: He's as useful as chicken shit on a pump handle.

LOL...yep, thanks for the correction. I've been breaking and working horses and teams for MANY years, so I get the concept of off hand and lead.

I've also been slurring the saying so long that I just type it that way now. LOL

I'll endeavor to correct my laziness. ;~)

Oh, got another saying that might fit out buddy. About as useful as teets on a bore hog. ;~)

 

[Big Fitz]

Takes a pretty insightful fella to call a man he don't know from Adam's allfox a liar!

Yeppers!

BTW, for your edification, the expression is "Adam's Off Ox". The expression came from when you had oxen teams and the front right ox was called the "Off Ox" because it was offset from the driver and farthest away. This made it hard to see and know what it was doing.

But SAT IS like another old phrase: He's as useful as chicken shit on a pump handle.

LOL...yep, thanks for the correction. I've been breaking and working horses and teams for MANY years, so I get the concept of off hand and lead.

I've also been slurring the saying so long that I just type it that way now. LOL

I'll endeavor to correct my laziness. ;~)

Oh, got another saying that might fit out buddy. About as useful as teets on a bore hog. ;~)

Oh, got another saying that might fit out buddy. About as useful as teets on a bore hog.

I almost used that one. But a boar hog, with or without teats have a purpose.

And that's colder than the north side of a grave stone at midnight in January.

 

[JDzBrain]

I almost used that one. But a boar hog, with or without teats have a purpose.

And that's colder than the north side of a grave stone at midnight in January.

LMAOff...I haven't heard that one in a while. You must be an old guy too. ;~0

I might have gone with colder than a witch's tit in a brass bra in a blizzard, but hey, they both work. ;~)

 

[Big Fitz]

I almost used that one. But a boar hog, with or without teats have a purpose.

And that's colder than the north side of a grave stone at midnight in January.

LMAOff...I haven't heard that one in a while. You must be an old guy too. ;~0

I might have gone with colder than a witch's tit in a brass bra in a blizzard, but hey, they both work. ;~)

not THAT old, but I know a lot of folklore and cultural americana history