The World Is Sick Of Israeli Atrocities...

[Coyote]

The UK held the trump card many times over in Northern Ireland, but the Protestants had to compromise and eventually, the Catholics will takeover through demographics. Best that the Jews make a deal now that they are at the apex of their power and relative population difference.

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

 

[montelatici]

The UK held the trump card many times over in Northern Ireland, but the Protestants had to compromise and eventually, the Catholics will takeover through demographics. Best that the Jews make a deal now that they are at the apex of their power and relative population difference.

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

" According to a new poll of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would trounce Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were a two-man election to be held today. That puts Hamas back in pole position for the first time since 2006. The group’s TV station, Al Aqsa, has become the No. 1 channel watched by Palestinians – by a margin of 15 percentage points. And 70 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank say they want to adopt Hamas’s armed approach. "

After Gaza war Hamas on a high but for how long video - CSMonitor.com

 

[pbel]

The UK held the trump card many times over in Northern Ireland, but the Protestants had to compromise and eventually, the Catholics will takeover through demographics. Best that the Jews make a deal now that they are at the apex of their power and relative population difference.

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

" According to a new poll of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would trounce Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were a two-man election to be held today. That puts Hamas back in pole position for the first time since 2006. The group’s TV station, Al Aqsa, has become the No. 1 channel watched by Palestinians – by a margin of 15 percentage points. And 70 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank say they want to adopt Hamas’s armed approach. "

After Gaza war Hamas on a high but for how long video - CSMonitor.com

Time is the Palestinian's greatest weapon, Demographics and growing militancy in the ME does not favor Israel.

 

[Hossfly]

The UK held the trump card many times over in Northern Ireland, but the Protestants had to compromise and eventually, the Catholics will takeover through demographics. Best that the Jews make a deal now that they are at the apex of their power and relative population difference.

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

" According to a new poll of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would trounce Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were a two-man election to be held today. That puts Hamas back in pole position for the first time since 2006. The group’s TV station, Al Aqsa, has become the No. 1 channel watched by Palestinians – by a margin of 15 percentage points. And 70 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank say they want to adopt Hamas’s armed approach. "

After Gaza war Hamas on a high but for how long video - CSMonitor.com

Time is the Palestinian's greatest weapon, Demographics and growing militancy in the ME does not favor Israel.

...........while Israel's arsenal is growing. Checkmate.

 

[montelatici]

The UK held the trump card many times over in Northern Ireland, but the Protestants had to compromise and eventually, the Catholics will takeover through demographics. Best that the Jews make a deal now that they are at the apex of their power and relative population difference.

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

" According to a new poll of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would trounce Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were a two-man election to be held today. That puts Hamas back in pole position for the first time since 2006. The group’s TV station, Al Aqsa, has become the No. 1 channel watched by Palestinians – by a margin of 15 percentage points. And 70 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank say they want to adopt Hamas’s armed approach. "

After Gaza war Hamas on a high but for how long video - CSMonitor.com

Time is the Palestinian's greatest weapon, Demographics and growing militancy in the ME does not favor Israel.

...........while Israel's arsenal is growing. Checkmate.

So was the South African arsenal. Doesn't make a bit of difference. Demographics are a *****.

 

[pbel]

The UK held the trump card many times over in Northern Ireland, but the Protestants had to compromise and eventually, the Catholics will takeover through demographics. Best that the Jews make a deal now that they are at the apex of their power and relative population difference.

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

" According to a new poll of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would trounce Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were a two-man election to be held today. That puts Hamas back in pole position for the first time since 2006. The group’s TV station, Al Aqsa, has become the No. 1 channel watched by Palestinians – by a margin of 15 percentage points. And 70 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank say they want to adopt Hamas’s armed approach. "

After Gaza war Hamas on a high but for how long video - CSMonitor.com

Time is the Palestinian's greatest weapon, Demographics and growing militancy in the ME does not favor Israel.

...........while Israel's arsenal is growing. Checkmate.

Israel's Army is too small to occupy the vast tracks of land of her enemies...The small confined area of Israel is not conducive to Rocket warfare.

Try peace, it might work.

 

[Hossfly]

I don't think there is any doubt that this resolution will pass, even AIPAC influenced America may support it. The world is sick of Israeli atrocities...

Palestinians Israeli occupation must end in 2016 - Yahoo News
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The Palestinians are asking the U.N. Security Council to set a deadline of November 2016 for an Israeli withdrawal from all Palestinian territory occupied since 1967 including East Jerusalem in a new push to achieve independence.
Related Stories

1. Abbas demands end to Israeli occupation 'now' AFP
2. Palestinian leader in new UN bid to end occupation Associated Press
3. Israel-Palestinian 'solution' to be put to UN Security Council AFP
4. West Bank settler group boasts rapid growth Associated Press
5. How Palestinian divisions undercut call for a UN deadline on statehood Christian Science Monitor

The circulation of the draft resolution to council members follows Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' announcement to the U.N. General Assembly last Friday that he would ask the council to set a deadline for a pullout and dictate the ground rules for any talks with Israel.
The draft resolution, obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, would affirm the Security Council's determination to contribute to attaining a peaceful solution that ends the Israeli occupation "without delay" and fulfill the vision of two states — "an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable state of Palestine" living side by side with Israel in peace and security in borders based on those before the 1967 Mideast war.

I'd say the world is sick of Islamic animals like Hamas, ISIS, and Alqueda displaying their sick and depraved medieval savage mentality.

Roudy
They celebrate it like a religious holiday.

This week, we had another depressing illustration of what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says is the defining moral difference between Israel and Hamas.

As The Jerusalem Post reports, thousands of mourners marched Tuesday in honor of two men who were the lead suspects in the murder of three Israeli teens.

The two dead men, Marwan Kawasme and Amar Abu Aysha, were both affiliated with Hamas, and were killed during a gun battle with Israeli troops. Mourners waved Hamas and Palestinian flags as they carried the two bodies through Hebron.

We’re talking about two men whose victims were not soldiers but three Israeli students.


Life and death with Hamas New York Post

 

[pbel]

I don't think there is any doubt that this resolution will pass, even AIPAC influenced America may support it. The world is sick of Israeli atrocities...

Palestinians Israeli occupation must end in 2016 - Yahoo News
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The Palestinians are asking the U.N. Security Council to set a deadline of November 2016 for an Israeli withdrawal from all Palestinian territory occupied since 1967 including East Jerusalem in a new push to achieve independence.
Related Stories

1. Abbas demands end to Israeli occupation 'now' AFP
2. Palestinian leader in new UN bid to end occupation Associated Press
3. Israel-Palestinian 'solution' to be put to UN Security Council AFP
4. West Bank settler group boasts rapid growth Associated Press
5. How Palestinian divisions undercut call for a UN deadline on statehood Christian Science Monitor

The circulation of the draft resolution to council members follows Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' announcement to the U.N. General Assembly last Friday that he would ask the council to set a deadline for a pullout and dictate the ground rules for any talks with Israel.
The draft resolution, obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, would affirm the Security Council's determination to contribute to attaining a peaceful solution that ends the Israeli occupation "without delay" and fulfill the vision of two states — "an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable state of Palestine" living side by side with Israel in peace and security in borders based on those before the 1967 Mideast war.

I'd say the world is sick of Islamic animals like Hamas, ISIS, and Alqueda displaying their sick and depraved medieval savage mentality.

Roudy
They celebrate it like a religious holiday.

This week, we had another depressing illustration of what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says is the defining moral difference between Israel and Hamas.

As The Jerusalem Post reports, thousands of mourners marched Tuesday in honor of two men who were the lead suspects in the murder of three Israeli teens.

The two dead men, Marwan Kawasme and Amar Abu Aysha, were both affiliated with Hamas, and were killed during a gun battle with Israeli troops. Mourners waved Hamas and Palestinian flags as they carried the two bodies through Hebron.

We’re talking about two men whose victims were not soldiers but three Israeli students.


Life and death with Hamas New York Post

I see, how about this one? What say ye oracle of the mountain?

Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir was burned alive, says official

 

[aris2chat]

There was no such thing as "Palestinians" before this conflict came to be. There were only the occasional nomads passing through the area back then. It was not inhabitable. The Israelis MADE Israel/Gaza what it is today.

The Truth about the Palestinian People

The 1948 Israeli War of Independence was between the neighboring Arab countries and the newly formed state of Israel. The Arab countries did not send troops to help the people that are today known as "Palestinians" but rather they sent troops to drive the Jews into the sea. Most of the "Palestinian Arabs" fled to avoid the fighting. Remember, in 1948 they were not referred to as "Palestinians". This name was was created by the Soviet disinformation masters in 1964 when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). The term"Palestinian People" as a description of Arabs in Palestine appeared for the first time in the preamble of the 1964 PLO Charter, drafted in Moscow. The Charter was affirmed by the first 422 members of the Palestinian National Council, handpicked by the KGB. This term was formally used by newspapers around the world after 1967.

United Nations Resolution 181 recommended a partition of the territory from the British Mandate for Palestine into two states - one for Jews and one for Palestinian Arabs. But the rejection of partition by the Arabs left in place as the legally operative Mandate for Palestine, the 1924 Anglo-American Convention, and Article 80 of the United Nations Charter. All of the Arab countries objected to the creation of the Jewish state and fought a war against its creation. This was Israel's War of Independence in 1948. Despite their superior numbers, the Arab countries lost the war and the Palestinian state never materialized because of this loss. In the war that was waged, the territory allotted to be the Palestinian state by the UN partition resolution was divided between Israel and Jordan. The "Palestinian Arabs" were rejected by every single Arab country, with the exception of the small percentage that ended up in refugee camps in Jordan where they remain to this day.

Multiple people have posted repeated links to historical data indicating that area was by no means inhabited by only "occasional nomads" but had a significant permanent population that had been there for centuries. They myth that it was largely "uninhabited" other than "occassional nomads" is just that, a myth that has been thoroughly debunked.

Look at the source you are using and what it has to say about itself:

Target Of Opportunity
This website is a list and record of people that betray and endanger America by their Seditious, Treasonous, and/or Terrorist activities. Operating under the false illusion of Peaceful and Non-Violent activism, their methods are anything but Peaceful and Non-Violent. These people present a serious threat to all Americans. Each and every one of them should be considered a
TARGET OF OPPORTUNITY

What the heck kind of site is that and why should anything it says be taken seriously?

That is not the only source. Multiple, multiple sources confirm the same data. I've posted at LEAST 3 other links here that give the same data. There was NO Palestine. It is a made-up place. It did not exist before the creation of Israel. It WAS a mostly uninhabitable territory owned by Arab kings which was taken over by the British and mandated to become half a Jewish state and half an Arab state by the UN. The Arabs would not accept that because of their BIGOTRY, and they tried to attack the Israelis, but the Israelis fought back and won, AND they won the land that you call "palestine."

Wrong. There has long been a Palestine - it's a very old designation. It may not have been a "nation" but it was an identifiable geographic area.

Again - as supported by links to historical census data from the Ottoman's and Mandate periods it was not mostly uninhabited. It had a definate permanent population.

Why do you keep pretending that the people who inhabited the region didn't exist? That they have no rights to live where they've been living?

The Mandate's 1922 Census: 1922 census of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
The reported population was 757,182, including the military and persons of foreign nationality. The division into religious groups was 590,390 Muslims, 83,694 Jews, 73,024 Christians, 7,028 Druze, 808 Sikhs, 265 Bahais, 156 Metawalis, and 163 Samaritans.[2]

Even if that were true, it still doesn't change the fact that it was a territory owned and controlled not by anyone known as a "palestinian," and that it is made up. They were Arabs, and as you link states the "military" and those of foreign nationality are more than likely not permanent residents.

The land was owned by Arab kings and then by the British. The Jewish people did not steal any land from anyone. None of your links suggest that anyone is more entitled to this land than the people who it was given to, or who won over some territory during time of war.

It's owned by the indiginous people living there that have lived there and that now call themselves Palestinians. They didn't just appear out of nowhere.

I'm not claiming entitlement of one group over another that broadly. What I'm saying is that they have lived there and their rights should not be disregarded and you can't just move whole populations out of an area because they are inconvenient to your political or nationalistic ambitions.

Even when territory is taken by war - the people usually go with it and are subject to new rulers. If Israel wants to keep WB and Gaza, then it can keep the people and gives them Israeli citizenship just like any other conquored country or it can ethnically cleanse the region and be comparable to Stalin who forceably moved ethnic minorities to Siberia and moved in ethnic Russians.

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You did read that jews owned 10-20% of arable land, 40% was state owned and 40% was owned by the "church" and absentee landlords from other arab countries.
Bedouins had migration routes but did not own land.
The majority of land outside the towns and villages was not owned by "indigenous" arabs but rented, migrant workers, sharecropped or like feudal land worked by locals who had been in service to the owners for generations.
Much of the land was swamp, desert and rocky badlands.
Land owned by private individuals was allowed in the 19th century. Most of the locals did not wanted to be registered as owners to avoid military service. Even under the mandate they avoided registering land when offered to avoid conscription or paying taxes.
Jewish Armed Forces in the British Mandate
The 1834 arab revolt was over locals not being pressed into egyptian or ottoman military service or to pay the taxes.
Land ownership was divided into five different classifications. Private ownership was not heard of for the local outside of the towns and cities till the ottoman opened the area up to jews and wealthy muslims from elsewhere in the empire in the first hald of the 19th century. Till the end of the WWI most of the locals lived and thought only in terms of tribal or feudal terms. They were not free to be land owners.
Just because there was a sizable percentage of the population listed as muslim does not meant they were or could be land owners.
Even today many of the land rights in the region are based on the old ottoman or tribal systems.

 

[toastman]

The UK held the trump card many times over in Northern Ireland, but the Protestants had to compromise and eventually, the Catholics will takeover through demographics. Best that the Jews make a deal now that they are at the apex of their power and relative population difference.

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

" According to a new poll of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would trounce Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were a two-man election to be held today. That puts Hamas back in pole position for the first time since 2006. The group’s TV station, Al Aqsa, has become the No. 1 channel watched by Palestinians – by a margin of 15 percentage points. And 70 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank say they want to adopt Hamas’s armed approach. "

After Gaza war Hamas on a high but for how long video - CSMonitor.com

Time is the Palestinian's greatest weapon, Demographics and growing militancy in the ME does not favor Israel.

...........while Israel's arsenal is growing. Checkmate.

Israel's Army is too small to occupy the vast tracks of land of her enemies...The small confined area of Israel is not conducive to Rocket warfare.

Try peace, it might work.

Israel has tried to make peace, several times.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There were no "squatters".

They were never land owners and were just travelling nomadic farm workers in the main. They acted just like the muslims of old and took what land they wanted until they had worn it out and then discarded it and moved on. 3 Times they stole Hebron from the Jews and 3 times they destroyed the land through lack of intelligence and laziness.

Now produce the treaty by the ottomans or LoN that gives the land of Palestine to the arab muslims..............

For all practical purposes they were landowners and many of them were indiginous to the area. As you may recall, even though there was an indiginous Jewish population in Palestine prior to immigration, there was a larger Arab population.

Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries if you have to attempt to go back that far it's meaningless. If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

No they refused to become land owners under the Ottomans as it meant paying taxes and being conscripted into the army. So they just ignored the requests and carried on being tenants or nomadic farm workers.

Then because the Jews had been living on the land for 4,500 years by your criteria they have a more valid claim than the arab muslims who can only go back 1400 years with gaps when they were driven out by invaders. Now back to International law that you don't like when it comes down in Israel's favour the LEGAL LAND OWNERS GAVE THE LAND TO THE JEWS BACK IN 1924 THEY DID NOT GIVE ANY TO THE ARAB MUSLIMS APART FROM JORDAN, SYRIA AND IRAQ.

By my criteria?

A handful of jews....somewhere between 10,000 and 15,000. Attempting to go back thousands of years is blatently ridiculous - land and property rights varied considerably. For example - in some regions all land belonged to a ruler, and the people were tenants. Do you see how silly this is?

I support International Law. It states that West Bank and Gaza are occupied territories and it recognizes Israel's right to exist. Sounds good enough.

They were given the land by the British. If you want to argue that point, you can argue it all day long. It doesn't change the facts.

Could you prove that point?

 

[pbel]

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

" According to a new poll of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would trounce Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were a two-man election to be held today. That puts Hamas back in pole position for the first time since 2006. The group’s TV station, Al Aqsa, has become the No. 1 channel watched by Palestinians – by a margin of 15 percentage points. And 70 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank say they want to adopt Hamas’s armed approach. "

After Gaza war Hamas on a high but for how long video - CSMonitor.com

Time is the Palestinian's greatest weapon, Demographics and growing militancy in the ME does not favor Israel.

...........while Israel's arsenal is growing. Checkmate.

Israel's Army is too small to occupy the vast tracks of land of her enemies...The small confined area of Israel is not conducive to Rocket warfare.

Try peace, it might work.

Israel has tried to make peace, several times.

Israel has tried to make peace offerings to keep its stolen gains...Not going to happen

 

[Kondor3]

...Israel has tried to make peace offering to keep its stolen gains...Not going to happen

Define 'stolen gains' in this context.

How much of Old Palestine (pre May 15, 1948, or pre-1967) do you believe that the Jews are entitled to?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, ChrisL, et al,

There is a bit of truth on both sides here; at least from the intent.

They were given the land by the British. If you want to argue that point, you can argue it all day long. It doesn't change the facts.

Could you prove that point?

(COMMENT)

The territory was not given to either party by anyone. Neither the Arab Palestinians or the Israelis were not given the territorial concessions by the Ottoman Empire, the Allied Powers of WWI, or the UN.

In one case (Israeli) they were given an avenue the UN General Assembly found acceptable, to exercise the right of self-determination; and the Israelis accepted. Conversely, the other case (Arab Palestinian) was given an avenue the UN General Assembly found acceptable, to exercise the right of self-determination; and the Arab Palestinian declined.

The land was neither taken nor given. The world community, having trusteeship, having written the declaration of principles, established the steps preparatory to independence. In one case there was an acceptance of the principles and the steps ---- in the other case a rejection.

The argument, as I mentioned in Post #28 of the Bertrand Russell discussion, that the territory was “given” by a foreign Power to another people for the creation of a new State is not accurate in the representation of the sequence of events. A "foreign power" did not act. The land was never under Palestinian Sovereignty to be taken. And the land was not judged exclusively apportioned to one party or the other. It is the case that the Arab Palestinian chose not to participate in the implementation process.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[pbel]

...Israel has tried to make peace offering to keep its stolen gains...Not going to happen

Define 'stolen gains' in this context.

How much of Old Palestine (pre May 15, 1948, or pre-1967) do you believe that the Jews are entitled to?

Actually, the European and Zionist rape of Palestine is a crime against humanity, however if the Arabs are willing to cede part of it, that's fine with me, especially in light of the Holocaust and their Semitic origins.

 

[pbel]

P F Tinmore, ChrisL, et al,

There is a bit of truth on both sides here; at least from the intent.

They were given the land by the British. If you want to argue that point, you can argue it all day long. It doesn't change the facts.

Could you prove that point?

(COMMENT)

The territory was not given to either party by anyone. Neither the Arab Palestinians or the Israelis were not given the territorial concessions by the Ottoman Empire, the Allied Powers of WWI, or the UN.

In one case (Israeli) they were given an avenue the UN General Assembly found acceptable, to exercise the right of self-determination; and the Israelis accepted. Conversely, the other case (Arab Palestinian) was given an avenue the UN General Assembly found acceptable, to exercise the right of self-determination; and the Arab Palestinian declined.

The land was neither taken nor given. The world community, having trusteeship, having written the declaration of principles, established the steps preparatory to independence. In one case there was an acceptance of the principles and the steps ---- in the other case a rejection.

The argument, as I mentioned in Post #28 of the Bertrand Russell discussion, that the territory was “given” by a foreign Power to another people for the creation of a new State is not accurate in the representation of the sequence of events. A "foreign power" did not act. The land was never under Palestinian Sovereignty to be taken. And the land was not judged exclusively apportioned to one party or the other. It is the case that the Arab Palestinian chose not to participate in the implementation process.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is my bullshit spray? The UN was under the COMPLETE CONTROL of the WESTERN POWERS at the time!

 

[ChrisL]

P F Tinmore, ChrisL, et al,

There is a bit of truth on both sides here; at least from the intent.

They were given the land by the British. If you want to argue that point, you can argue it all day long. It doesn't change the facts.

Could you prove that point?

(COMMENT)

The territory was not given to either party by anyone. Neither the Arab Palestinians or the Israelis were not given the territorial concessions by the Ottoman Empire, the Allied Powers of WWI, or the UN.

In one case (Israeli) they were given an avenue the UN General Assembly found acceptable, to exercise the right of self-determination; and the Israelis accepted. Conversely, the other case (Arab Palestinian) was given an avenue the UN General Assembly found acceptable, to exercise the right of self-determination; and the Arab Palestinian declined.

The land was neither taken nor given. The world community, having trusteeship, having written the declaration of principles, established the steps preparatory to independence. In one case there was an acceptance of the principles and the steps ---- in the other case a rejection.

The argument, as I mentioned in Post #28 of the Bertrand Russell discussion, that the territory was “given” by a foreign Power to another people for the creation of a new State is not accurate in the representation of the sequence of events. A "foreign power" did not act. The land was never under Palestinian Sovereignty to be taken. And the land was not judged exclusively apportioned to one party or the other. It is the case that the Arab Palestinian chose not to participate in the implementation process.

Most Respectfully,
R

All of the links I have posted say that the territory was partitioned by the UN for 2 states, one Israel and one Palestine, and that was what the UN wished for, and America recognized Israel as a sovereign state immediately (one of my links says 11 minutes after the announcement by Israel).

 

[ChrisL]

The UK held the trump card many times over in Northern Ireland, but the Protestants had to compromise and eventually, the Catholics will takeover through demographics. Best that the Jews make a deal now that they are at the apex of their power and relative population difference.

I think given what is occurring in the ME, it's in Israel's (and the Palestinian's) best interest to make a deal. It's not necessarily demographics but the likely chance that the Israel, and it's Arab neighbors will need to work together to deal with ISIS, Iraq, Syria and Libya all of which are in a state of chaos. Settling the Palestinian issue now, while Hamas has lost a lot of support and popularity would be beneficial for it. No one is going to support massive population transfers to another country though.

" According to a new poll of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would trounce Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were a two-man election to be held today. That puts Hamas back in pole position for the first time since 2006. The group’s TV station, Al Aqsa, has become the No. 1 channel watched by Palestinians – by a margin of 15 percentage points. And 70 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank say they want to adopt Hamas’s armed approach. "

After Gaza war Hamas on a high but for how long video - CSMonitor.com

Time is the Palestinian's greatest weapon, Demographics and growing militancy in the ME does not favor Israel.

...........while Israel's arsenal is growing. Checkmate.

Israel's Army is too small to occupy the vast tracks of land of her enemies...The small confined area of Israel is not conducive to Rocket warfare.

Try peace, it might work.

Israel has the United States. We will not allow anyone to attack Israel without stepping in. I'm sure you MUST know this.

 

[Phoenall]

Get the "British allowed" or the "British gave" the British did nothing but act as caretakers of the land. It was the LoN that invited the European Jews to migrate and settle in Palestine. It was the people in other lands that were racist towards the Jews, people just like you that hide your racism inexpertly. Was it the Jews that threw the Germans into death campd solely because of their race and religion.
How can a people be made up very simply just look at America that was never white Christian but red great spirit. How can you call yourself American when you are an invader. The arab muslims are the same they were called Syrians until Arafat stole the term Palestinian in 1960 to give their claims credence and credibility. That is how the country and name were made up for the arab muslims.

How about the verse in the Koran then that claims god gave the world to the muslims his chosen people to rule in his name. Not Saudi Arabia or Palestine but the WHOLE WORLD including your property

 

[Phoenall]

The only reason why they are there is because Israel ALLOWS them to be there. Probably not for much longer though, and who could blame them?

There's a price to pay for ethnic cleansing of indiginous peoples. South Africa tried that with it's so-called African "homelands" - islands of semi-autonomous (resource poor) areas where the blacks could live seperate from the whites. Stalin tried that when he forceably moved ethnic groups out of areas and ethnic-Russians into those areas to dilute populations. It leaves a long term stain on the national character of a nation particularly when land theft is also involved as would be the case in West Bank and Gaza. People are tied to their lands by generations of habitation and culture. That is something the Jews themselves reiterate. How can you then justify doing that to another people? You can't. Israel has been no angel in this affair either. They need to stop the settlement building and both sides need t negotiate for a long term solution that most likely will involve two states and land swaps. I don't see any other way that would not produce a humanitarian nightmare by forcing a diaspora on a people that the Jews themselves experienced. It's so ironic.

There was no such thing as "Palestinians" before this conflict came to be. There were only the occasional nomads passing through the area back then. It was not inhabitable. The Israelis MADE Israel/Gaza what it is today.

The Truth about the Palestinian People

The 1948 Israeli War of Independence was between the neighboring Arab countries and the newly formed state of Israel. The Arab countries did not send troops to help the people that are today known as "Palestinians" but rather they sent troops to drive the Jews into the sea. Most of the "Palestinian Arabs" fled to avoid the fighting. Remember, in 1948 they were not referred to as "Palestinians". This name was was created by the Soviet disinformation masters in 1964 when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). The term"Palestinian People" as a description of Arabs in Palestine appeared for the first time in the preamble of the 1964 PLO Charter, drafted in Moscow. The Charter was affirmed by the first 422 members of the Palestinian National Council, handpicked by the KGB. This term was formally used by newspapers around the world after 1967.

United Nations Resolution 181 recommended a partition of the territory from the British Mandate for Palestine into two states - one for Jews and one for Palestinian Arabs. But the rejection of partition by the Arabs left in place as the legally operative Mandate for Palestine, the 1924 Anglo-American Convention, and Article 80 of the United Nations Charter. All of the Arab countries objected to the creation of the Jewish state and fought a war against its creation. This was Israel's War of Independence in 1948. Despite their superior numbers, the Arab countries lost the war and the Palestinian state never materialized because of this loss. In the war that was waged, the territory allotted to be the Palestinian state by the UN partition resolution was divided between Israel and Jordan. The "Palestinian Arabs" were rejected by every single Arab country, with the exception of the small percentage that ended up in refugee camps in Jordan where they remain to this day.

Multiple people have posted repeated links to historical data indicating that area was by no means inhabited by only "occasional nomads" but had a significant permanent population that had been there for centuries. They myth that it was largely "uninhabited" other than "occassional nomads" is just that, a myth that has been thoroughly debunked.

Look at the source you are using and what it has to say about itself:

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What the heck kind of site is that and why should anything it says be taken seriously?

That is not the only source. Multiple, multiple sources confirm the same data. I've posted at LEAST 3 other links here that give the same data. There was NO Palestine. It is a made-up place. It did not exist before the creation of Israel. It WAS a mostly uninhabitable territory owned by Arab kings which was taken over by the British and mandated to become half a Jewish state and half an Arab state by the UN. The Arabs would not accept that because of their BIGOTRY, and they tried to attack the Israelis, but the Israelis fought back and won, AND they won the land that you call "palestine."

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

From the UN/LoN archives. You are just spreading Zionist propaganda. The fact is that the majority of Christians and Muslims lived in cities and towns.

I rest my case.

You rest your case on a false premise and document shown to be a work of fiction.