The World is on to Israel...

[Phoenall]

Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are "brokers", honest or otherwise. They are the two antagonistic parties. It is the U.S. that should be the honest broker, but instead they are just supporters of Israel.

I know it frosts the anti Israeli crowd when they hear of America giving any help to Israel. However, they overlook the fact that it is the American taxpayers who pay the most to the UN which has its own relief agency for the "Palestinians" even though there are needier people in this world.

Yet Israelis are "needier" than say Haitians? Israel has been getting the lion's share of US foreign aid for a small population since 1948.

You are aware that most of this so called aid is actually loans and that they must be used to buy American goods at full price. Not like the Saudis who get cut price deals on all defence weapons from tanks to fighter/bombers. The rest of the aid is that given as part of the peace deals with Egypt and Jordan who demanded the aid or they would not sign. So of course Israel had to get the aid as well to balance the deals. So no Israel are not needier at all, just intelligent and thoughtful. So if the US stop this aid to Israel it must also stop it to Egypt and Jordan, wont that be fun ?


OH! and can you provide a link to support your allegation that Israel has been receiving this aid since 1948. I await your apology for lying to the readers of this forum.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you think the Israeli Occupation of their land might be contributing?

And for the 1 millionth time, do you have any respect for the UN or should we ignore EVERYTHING it's ever done, including it's daily Arab Nation bloc damnation of Israel?

Israel received land by the UN.
Israel was attacked a number of times and won.
Yes, I know we killed Jesus and you can't quite get over that, but tough nuggies.

The Pope divided South America between the Spanish and Portuguese but never asked the indigenous people. That's similar to what the UN did with Palestine.

So the previous 30 years of talks with the arabs were nothing then. When Britain asked the arabs what they wanted in return for siding with them against Turkey and destroying the ottoman empire. Part of those talks was the creation of a Jewish nation in Palestine on what is now Israel, gaza and the west bank. The arabs agreed as long as they got the lions share of the land. It is all there in the treaties signed by the arab leaders and the British government. So the indigenous people were asked and they agreed to the original partition of Israel, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Lebanon. Then Husseini decided that he wanted it all and reneged on the original offer, threatening open warfare and violence if he did not get his way.

 

[Phoenall]

The Pope divided South America between the Spanish and Portuguese but never asked the indigenous people. That's similar to what the UN did with Palestine.

Straw man...We're not talking about the Pope, we're talking about an International Political body given authority to determine the validity and security of membership and potential membership nations.

Was Israel declared a State or not?

For the Catholic nations, the Pope was the International Political body. And yes, the UN's pronouncements are equal to the Pope's at the time.

And yes, the UN, like the Pope, could disregard the will of the indigenous people. But, was that right?

let me see if I have this right you are saying that the only will was that of the arab muslims and all the other indigenous people could go to HELL. Even though the arab muslims were known to be recent arrivals in the area and did not own any land or property being itinerant travelling farm workers.

So much for being unbiased and a humanist, more like a Nazi Jew hater

 

[Phoenall]

i But of course, everybody simply wants to obsess on the Jews.

The UN never sanctioned the displacement as they did in Palestine. That's the difference. The fact that that the Jews of Israel control the borders of a large number (in the millions) of non-Jews, makes it different. The Italians of Croatia, Slovenia etc., (who were there before the Slavs arrived) were all offered repatriation to Italy in accordance with the UN. There are no Italians in those countries claiming a return of their land. If the UN had offered big bucks for the non-Jews to leave, maybe there would be no problem today. The Christians could have been given big bucks to go to Lebanon and the Muslims could have been given big bucks to go to Egypt or another Muslim majority country.

So what about Pakistan then when a muslim minority decided to mass murder the indigenous people and steal their land. The British capitulated and handed over the land now known as pakisatn to the muslims against the wishes of the indigenous population. The same thing happened in Bangladesh .
Then there was Iraq that was handed over to the baathist's against the wishes of the indigenous muslims, Syria the same and Jordan. Then Lebanon was handed to the Christians who have now been displaced by muslims. So yes the UN did sanction much worse displacements in the preceeding years and mostly in favour of the muslims.

The muslims were offered repatriation to Jordan with a payment to help set up villages and workplaces but they declined wanting the Jewish farms and houses instead. The other muslim lands refused to take them because it did not sit with their religious obligations to KILL THE JEWS

 

[Phoenall]

i But of course, everybody simply wants to obsess on the Jews.

The UN never sanctioned the displacement as they did in Palestine. That's the difference. The fact that that the Jews of Israel control the borders of a large number (in the millions) of non-Jews, makes it different. The Italians of Croatia, Slovenia etc., (who were there before the Slavs arrived) were all offered repatriation to Italy in accordance with the UN. There are no Italians in those countries claiming a return of their land. If the UN had offered big bucks for the non-Jews to leave, maybe there would be no problem today. The Christians could have been given big bucks to go to Lebanon and the Muslims could have been given big bucks to go to Egypt or another Muslim majority country.

Of course the UN sanctioned displacement of Arabs from the Western portion of the land and Jews from the Eastern portion of the land.
What planet are you living on?
Do you think the US, Great Britain and France thought the Jews and Islamists could co-exist?
Not for a second.

In terms of paying off Arabs to leave, they were asked to stay but Jordan told them to leave or the Jordanian tanks would roll over them.

Now you're going to tell me that Jordan, Egypt and Syria didn't attack Israel, but that won't surprise me as I see you would love to have Israel vanish into the Mediterranean.

The Europeans were viewed as invading European colonists by the local states. The locals did not have the the vision of the the Holocaust and they probably did not feel that they were the cause of the Holocaust. The Europeans looked like and behaved like European colonists. Even you can understand that.

Would this be the Europeans that were stopped from landing by the British and forced into concentration camps in Cyprus. Held in the ships that carried them to Palestine for weeks on end in dirty unhealthy conditions that saw many of them die. there were more arab migrants to the area at the same time to increase the numbers of soldiers if it came to war. So how were the indigenous Jews and Christians supposed to view this invasion by foreign militia to their lands. Every Jew that tried to get to Palestine was there by the invitation of an indigenous Jew, unlike the arab muslims who just waltzed in and claimed what ever land they could. The Europeans were for the most part crippled, sick, beaten, abused, skeletal remains of once vibrant people escaping the horrors of the war. Hardly a threat to the arab muslims who were well fed and healthy compared to them. And as the history books show the arabs were much more numerous.

 

[Phoenall]

Any European settlement in non-European territory has to be cautious. Unless the Europeans are able to exterminate the locals, they usually lose. Rhodesia, South Africa, Algeria, etc.

Any arab muslim settlement in non arab muslim territory has to be viewed as a hostile invasion. Unless the locals are able to repel the invaders they are lost and face a lifetime of oppression and servitude.

This is what faces the Jews in Israel unless they are vigilant and stop the invaders.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Of course the UN sanctioned displacement of Arabs from the Western portion of the land and Jews from the Eastern portion of the land.
What planet are you living on?
Do you think the US, Great Britain and France thought the Jews and Islamists could co-exist?
Not for a second.

In terms of paying off Arabs to leave, they were asked to stay but Jordan told them to leave or the Jordanian tanks would roll over them.

Now you're going to tell me that Jordan, Egypt and Syria didn't attack Israel, but that won't surprise me as I see you would love to have Israel vanish into the Mediterranean.

The Europeans were viewed as invading European colonists by the local states. The locals did not have the the vision of the the Holocaust and they probably did not feel that they were the cause of the Holocaust. The Europeans looked like and behaved like European colonists. Even you can understand that.

Heck, I don't even think the majority of Germans and Austrians wanted the Holocaust but they were probably terrified of the consequences of speaking out (sounds familiar).

The Jordanians spat at their nomadic "brothers" in 1948 and have continued to do so.
There are, unfortunately, enough mad dogs within their midst to cause problems.
I was hoping the Arab Spring was going to be a turn around against anachronisms and dictatorships.

Until this is proven, Israel has every right to be suspicious and overly cautious.

I was also naive enough, in the beginning, to believe the Arab Spring would bring reform and democracy to that part of the world. Just like Tinmore is hopelessly naive about Hamas.

 

[montelatici]

I know it frosts the anti Israeli crowd when they hear of America giving any help to Israel. However, they overlook the fact that it is the American taxpayers who pay the most to the UN which has its own relief agency for the "Palestinians" even though there are needier people in this world.

Yet Israelis are "needier" than say Haitians? Israel has been getting the lion's share of US foreign aid for a small population since 1948.

You are aware that most of this so called aid is actually loans and that they must be used to buy American goods at full price. Not like the Saudis who get cut price deals on all defence weapons from tanks to fighter/bombers. The rest of the aid is that given as part of the peace deals with Egypt and Jordan who demanded the aid or they would not sign. So of course Israel had to get the aid as well to balance the deals. So no Israel are not needier at all, just intelligent and thoughtful. So if the US stop this aid to Israel it must also stop it to Egypt and Jordan, wont that be fun ?


OH! and can you provide a link to support your allegation that Israel has been receiving this aid since 1948. I await your apology for lying to the readers of this forum.

"The United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in aid ‏(after adjusting for inflation&#8207 since the state was formed in 1948 through the end of last year, research by TheMarker has found."

Can't post a link but you can Google" "U.S. aid to Israel totals $233.7b over six decades
Moshe Arens: Generous assistance reflects common strategic interests and values, rather than lobbying pressure." and you will get to the Haaretz article.

You should apologize for calling the poster a liar.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The Europeans were viewed as invading European colonists by the local states. The locals did not have the the vision of the the Holocaust and they probably did not feel that they were the cause of the Holocaust. The Europeans looked like and behaved like European colonists. Even you can understand that.

Heck, I don't even think the majority of Germans and Austrians wanted the Holocaust but they were probably terrified of the consequences of speaking out (sounds familiar).

The Jordanians spat at their nomadic "brothers" in 1948 and have continued to do so.
There are, unfortunately, enough mad dogs within their midst to cause problems.
I was hoping the Arab Spring was going to be a turn around against anachronisms and dictatorships.

Until this is proven, Israel has every right to be suspicious and overly cautious.

I was also naive enough, in the beginning, to believe the Arab Spring would bring reform and democracy to that part of the world. Just like Tinmore is hopelessly naive about Hamas.

Tinmore thinks Hamas is a democratic organization! Hahaha

 

[P F Tinmore]

If they either want to kill Jews or can't control the enemy within...Yes.

And because you know what I state is fact...
All you can do is hide behind your policies that would result in dead Jews.

Why don't you preach your humanistic streak to Syria? or Sudan? Or Libya?
You know, where all Arabs are treated SO NICELY.

Well, I guess to you, the final solution is the elimination of a billion or so people so that there is no risk that a few million will not be at risk. The white South Africans had the same position. The whites in South Africa still enjoy a decent life, much better than the non-Whites. Why can't that be the result in Palestine? Are "Arabs" so different than the South African non-whites?

That's like comparing cheese to moon rock. The arab's are allowed to live as they want In Israel, own property, have government jobs, make government decisions, join the army in fact all the things the Jews can do. Apart that is from compulsory conscription, so hardly a n apartheid state as you are saying. Once again you show nothing but bias against the Jews while saying that you are neutral. White man speak with forked tongue .

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxvhIdAWhLw]The Scholars: Noura Erakat Part 2 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[montelatici]

Straw man...We're not talking about the Pope, we're talking about an International Political body given authority to determine the validity and security of membership and potential membership nations.

Was Israel declared a State or not?

For the Catholic nations, the Pope was the International Political body. And yes, the UN's pronouncements are equal to the Pope's at the time.

And yes, the UN, like the Pope, could disregard the will of the indigenous people. But, was that right?

let me see if I have this right you are saying that the only will was that of the arab muslims and all the other indigenous people could go to HELL. Even though the arab muslims were known to be recent arrivals in the area and did not own any land or property being itinerant travelling farm workers.

So much for being unbiased and a humanist, more like a Nazi Jew hater

The local Arab population (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) from Ottoman times has shown normal stable growth, the European Jewish population grew disproportionately as a result of mass immigration. The stories about Arabs being recent arrivals is simply propaganda, most neutrals know this.

As you can see on the Jewish Virtual Library, the Muslims and Christians made up about 95% of the population during Ottoman times. The Jews only became a factor after Europeans began settling there.

Population of Israel/Palestine (1553-Present) | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[P F Tinmore]

I believe I stated a scant few postings back that "I absolutely believe the majority", etc...
The West Bank Jordanians must demonstrate that they have a handle on that small, but intense, segment of their population who are suicidal/homicidal.

How would you react to your neighbor tossing a grenade into your living room because you observe a different religion?Is that so much to ask?
If it is, take your humanism elsewhere.
There is NO Biblical or Talmudic source for Jews being suicidal.

Do you think the Israeli Occupation of their land might be contributing?

Hardly as shown by continual rocket attacks from gaza starting in August 2005 and lasting until early 2008 when Israel was not occupying gaza. There was no blockade or any occupation and still the attacks went on escalating in intensity and frequency. So the Israeli presence is not a contributing factor, just the religious commands from their god to kill the Jews

 

[Phoenall]

Yet Israelis are "needier" than say Haitians? Israel has been getting the lion's share of US foreign aid for a small population since 1948.

You are aware that most of this so called aid is actually loans and that they must be used to buy American goods at full price. Not like the Saudis who get cut price deals on all defence weapons from tanks to fighter/bombers. The rest of the aid is that given as part of the peace deals with Egypt and Jordan who demanded the aid or they would not sign. So of course Israel had to get the aid as well to balance the deals. So no Israel are not needier at all, just intelligent and thoughtful. So if the US stop this aid to Israel it must also stop it to Egypt and Jordan, wont that be fun ?


OH! and can you provide a link to support your allegation that Israel has been receiving this aid since 1948. I await your apology for lying to the readers of this forum.

"The United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in aid ‏(after adjusting for inflation&#8207 since the state was formed in 1948 through the end of last year, research by TheMarker has found."

Can't post a link but you can Google" "U.S. aid to Israel totals $233.7b over six decades
Moshe Arens: Generous assistance reflects common strategic interests and values, rather than lobbying pressure." and you will get to the Haaretz article.

You should apologize for calling the poster a liar.

They are LIARS as this shows

Israel?United States relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eisenhower Administration (1953–1961)

During these years of austerity, the United States provided Israel moderate amounts of economic aid, mostly as loans for basic food stuffs; a far greater share of state income derived from German war reparations, which were used for domestic development.

Kennedy and Johnson administrations (1961–1969)

During Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency, U.S. policy shifted to a whole-hearted, but not unquestioning, support for Israel. Prior to the Six-Day War of 1967, U.S. administrations had taken considerable care to avoid giving the appearance of favouritism

Leading up to the war, while the Administration was sympathetic to Israel's need to defend itself against foreign attack, the U.S. worried that Israel's response would be disproportionate and potentially destabilizing. Israel's raid into Jordan after the Samu Incident was very troubling to the U.S. because Jordan was also an ally and had received over $500 million in aid for construction of the East Ghor Main Canal, which was virtually destroyed in subsequent raids.

Nixon and Ford Administrations (1969–1977)

Golda Meir asked President Nixon for help with military supply. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told Nixon "Let Israel bleed". The New York Times reported three years afterwards that Kissinger delayed the airlift because he wanted to see Israel "bleed just enough to soften it up for the post-war diplomacy he was planning". However, after Israel went on full nuclear alert and loaded their warheads into waiting planes, President Nixon ordered the full scale commencement of a strategic airlift operation to deliver weapons and supplies to Israel; this last move is sometimes called "the airlift that saved Israel". However, by the time the supplies arrived, Israel was gaining the upper hand.

Carter administration (1977–1981)

The two frameworks included in the Carter-initiated Camp David process were viewed by right wing elements in Israel as creating U.S. pressures on Israel to withdraw from the captured Palestinian territories, as well as forcing it to take risks for the sake of peace with Egypt. Likud governments have since argued that their acceptance of full withdrawal from the Sinai as part of these accords and the eventual Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty fulfilled the Israeli pledge to withdraw from occupied territory.[1] President Carter's support for a Palestinian homeland and for Palestinian political rights particularly created tensions with the Likud government, and little progress was achieved on that front.


Reagan administration (1981–1989)

The United States maintained grant aid to Israel at $3 billion annually and implemented a free trade agreement in 1985. Since then all customs duties between the two trading partners have been eliminated. However, relations soured when Israel carried out Operation Opera, an Israeli airstrike on the Osirak nuclear reactor in Baghdad. Reagan suspended a shipment of military aircraft to Israel, and harshly criticized the action. Relations also soured during the 1982 Lebanon War, when the United States even contemplated sanctions to stop the Israeli Siege of Beirut. The U.S. reminded Israel that weaponry provided by the U.S. was to be used for defensive purposes only, and suspended shipments of cluster munitions to Israel.

George H. W. Bush administration (1989–1993)

The centerpiece of his program, however, was the achievement of an Arab–Israeli treaty based on the territory-for-peace principle and the fulfillment of Palestinian rights." As a first step Bush announced his intention to reconvene the international peace conference in Madrid.[28]

Unlike earlier American peace efforts however, no new aid commitments would be used.


Clinton administration (1993–2001)


In 2003, on the heels of the Second Intifada and a sharp economic downturn in Israel, the U.S. provided Israel with $9 billion in conditional loan guarantees made available through 2011 and negotiated each year at the U.S.–Israel Joint Economic Development Group (JEDG).


United States aid[edit]







Since the 1970s, Israel has been one of the top recipients of U.S. foreign aid. In the past, a portion was dedicated to economic assistance, but all economic aid to Israel ended in 2007 due to Israel's growing economy.[60][61] Currently, Israel receives $3 billion in U.S. assistance through U.S. Foreign Military Financing (FMF).[62] Seventy-four percent of these funds must be spent on the acquisition of U.S. defense equipment, services, and training.[3] Thus, United States military aid to Israel is seen as a subsidy for U.S. industries.

 

[Shaarona]

For the Catholic nations, the Pope was the International Political body. And yes, the UN's pronouncements are equal to the Pope's at the time.

And yes, the UN, like the Pope, could disregard the will of the indigenous people. But, was that right?

let me see if I have this right you are saying that the only will was that of the arab muslims and all the other indigenous people could go to HELL. Even though the arab muslims were known to be recent arrivals in the area and did not own any land or property being itinerant travelling farm workers.

So much for being unbiased and a humanist, more like a Nazi Jew hater

The local Arab population (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) from Ottoman times has shown normal stable growth, the European Jewish population grew disproportionately as a result of mass immigration. The stories about Arabs being recent arrivals is simply propaganda, most neutrals know this.

As you can see on the Jewish Virtual Library, the Muslims and Christians made up about 95% of the population during Ottoman times. The Jews only became a factor after Europeans began settling there.

Population of Israel/Palestine (1553-Present) | Jewish Virtual Library

Nothing ever changes if they can't be honest.

With justice you stop the killing... with revenge the killing just goes on and on.

 

[Phoenall]

Well, I guess to you, the final solution is the elimination of a billion or so people so that there is no risk that a few million will not be at risk. The white South Africans had the same position. The whites in South Africa still enjoy a decent life, much better than the non-Whites. Why can't that be the result in Palestine? Are "Arabs" so different than the South African non-whites?

That's like comparing cheese to moon rock. The arab's are allowed to live as they want In Israel, own property, have government jobs, make government decisions, join the army in fact all the things the Jews can do. Apart that is from compulsory conscription, so hardly a n apartheid state as you are saying. Once again you show nothing but bias against the Jews while saying that you are neutral. White man speak with forked tongue .

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxvhIdAWhLw]The Scholars: Noura Erakat Part 2 - YouTube[/ame]

What does that video have to do with the way Israel treats its muslim and Christian citizens. If they don't want to be Israeli citizens and live within the laws of Israel then they cant expect the same rights as Israeli citizens.

 

[Phoenall]

For the Catholic nations, the Pope was the International Political body. And yes, the UN's pronouncements are equal to the Pope's at the time.

And yes, the UN, like the Pope, could disregard the will of the indigenous people. But, was that right?

let me see if I have this right you are saying that the only will was that of the arab muslims and all the other indigenous people could go to HELL. Even though the arab muslims were known to be recent arrivals in the area and did not own any land or property being itinerant travelling farm workers.

So much for being unbiased and a humanist, more like a Nazi Jew hater

The local Arab population (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) from Ottoman times has shown normal stable growth, the European Jewish population grew disproportionately as a result of mass immigration. The stories about Arabs being recent arrivals is simply propaganda, most neutrals know this.

As you can see on the Jewish Virtual Library, the Muslims and Christians made up about 95% of the population during Ottoman times. The Jews only became a factor after Europeans began settling there.

Population of Israel/Palestine (1553-Present) | Jewish Virtual Library

But not sufficiently enough to cause concern to the more excessive muslims. How can 553,600 Jews be a threat to 1,062,270 muslims. This is were your attempts fall down when you make false claims of the Jews being in the majority when they were still outnumbered 2 to 1.

It is also disingenuous to compare Israel alone when your previous remarks were for the whole of the area. More manipulation to twist the evidence towards your pro muslim stance.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you think the Israeli Occupation of their land might be contributing?

Hardly as shown by continual rocket attacks from gaza starting in August 2005 and lasting until early 2008 when Israel was not occupying gaza. There was no blockade or any occupation and still the attacks went on escalating in intensity and frequency. So the Israeli presence is not a contributing factor, just the religious commands from their god to kill the Jews

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5BDwEW6uw]Laila El-Haddad, Journalist, Author, Gaza Mom-The Autograph-09-21-2011 - YouTube[/ame]

hardly an unbiased source is it seeing as it is an Iranian propaganda outlet.

Try something less biased against Israel to show that gaza was occupied between 2005 and 2007 ?

 

[Shaarona]

let me see if I have this right you are saying that the only will was that of the arab muslims and all the other indigenous people could go to HELL. Even though the arab muslims were known to be recent arrivals in the area and did not own any land or property being itinerant travelling farm workers.

So much for being unbiased and a humanist, more like a Nazi Jew hater

The local Arab population (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) from Ottoman times has shown normal stable growth, the European Jewish population grew disproportionately as a result of mass immigration. The stories about Arabs being recent arrivals is simply propaganda, most neutrals know this.

As you can see on the Jewish Virtual Library, the Muslims and Christians made up about 95% of the population during Ottoman times. The Jews only became a factor after Europeans began settling there.

Population of Israel/Palestine (1553-Present) | Jewish Virtual Library

But not sufficiently enough to cause concern to the more excessive muslims. How can 553,600 Jews be a threat to 1,062,270 muslims. This is were your attempts fall down when you make false claims of the Jews being in the majority when they were still outnumbered 2 to 1.

It is also disingenuous to compare Israel alone when your previous remarks were for the whole of the area. More manipulation to twist the evidence towards your pro muslim stance.

Check the news today. Demolitions in the West Bank have increased.

 

[montelatici]

let me see if I have this right you are saying that the only will was that of the arab muslims and all the other indigenous people could go to HELL. Even though the arab muslims were known to be recent arrivals in the area and did not own any land or property being itinerant travelling farm workers.

So much for being unbiased and a humanist, more like a Nazi Jew hater

The local Arab population (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) from Ottoman times has shown normal stable growth, the European Jewish population grew disproportionately as a result of mass immigration. The stories about Arabs being recent arrivals is simply propaganda, most neutrals know this.

As you can see on the Jewish Virtual Library, the Muslims and Christians made up about 95% of the population during Ottoman times. The Jews only became a factor after Europeans began settling there.

Population of Israel/Palestine (1553-Present) | Jewish Virtual Library

But not sufficiently enough to cause concern to the more excessive muslims. How can 553,600 Jews be a threat to 1,062,270 muslims. This is were your attempts fall down when you make false claims of the Jews being in the majority when they were still outnumbered 2 to 1.

It is also disingenuous to compare Israel alone when your previous remarks were for the whole of the area. More manipulation to twist the evidence towards your pro muslim stance.

"when you make false claims of the Jews being in the majority"

I never claimed that European Jews were a majority, I said their population tripled in the period of time I was discussing, you have reading comprehension problems.


"How can 553,600 Jews be a threat to 1,062,270 muslims"

When European Jews are arriving at the rate of around 70,000 a year after 1945, it doesn't take a mathematician to understand that the non-Jews feared being overrun in less than 10 years, which in fact happened.

"disingenuous to compare Israel alone when your previous remarks were for the whole of the area."

The years we are discussing are British Mandate and Ottoman numbers, the whole of the area, not just Israel. Again, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hardly as shown by continual rocket attacks from gaza starting in August 2005 and lasting until early 2008 when Israel was not occupying gaza. There was no blockade or any occupation and still the attacks went on escalating in intensity and frequency. So the Israeli presence is not a contributing factor, just the religious commands from their god to kill the Jews

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5BDwEW6uw]Laila El-Haddad, Journalist, Author, Gaza Mom-The Autograph-09-21-2011 - YouTube[/ame]

hardly an unbiased source is it seeing as it is an Iranian propaganda outlet.

Try something less biased against Israel to show that gaza was occupied between 2005 and 2007 ?

What did she say that was incorrect?

Links?