The Wild West Returns: Montana Bill Would Allow Everyone To Carry A Concealed Weapon

[Redfish]

My wife and I both have permits that allow concealed carry in 35 states Montana being one of them. More states should pass these type of laws.

same here, my usual carry is a S&W airlight hammerless 38 special. a Taurus 380 automatic for my wife. both loaded with hollow points.

 

[Bigfoot]

Heh, I carry a snubnosed Taurus .357 loaded with .38 special and my wife prefers her Ruger SR9C 9mm for her purse gun. It sounds like we both have about the same experience

 

[bayoubill]

Not the first...offhand, Vermont already allows concealed-carry with no permit. It's one of the safest states in the country.

bumping this fact... which gun-grabbers want to conveniently ignore...

 

[martybegan]

Except in a lot of wild west towns there were stricter gun laws than we have now. Most had to check there firearms at the sheriffs office when entering town.

In return, the sheriff and his deputies guaranteed your safety while in the town.

What police force does that today?

The argument is a red herring and has little relevance in today's world. It's also often preached by the left but historically not accurate. There were some towns with check-in ordinances (Ft. Worth, Dodge and Tombstone) comes to mind but the Left loves to claim "many, or almost all" which is not true. People were carrying guns in every area of the country including the cities back east. The Left loves to say and write about no-carry laws and always blames conservatives fantasies of the Wild West when they are questioned about it.

Roger McGrath on the History Channel has studied crime rates from available documentation, and found that the Wild West was more civilized than today.

Open carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Open carry was common during the pioneer era and in the American Old West. According to UCLA historian Dr. Roger McGrath in his book Guns, Highwaymen and Vigilantes: Violence in the Old West (1984), the rates of murder, robbery, rape, and other assorted violent crimes were far lower than they are today, and McGrath attributes those lower rates directly to the open carry of firearms.

In the book McGrath states that "the young, the old, and the female—those most vulnerable—were far safer in the most wild and wooly frontier towns than they are in any American city today," because "people had arms, knew how to use them, and were willing to fight with deadly force to protect their persons or property."

There is also a book about citizens in the Old West fighting against gangs of criminals:

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Outgunned-Stories-Citizens-Stood-Outlaws/dp/158182386X/ref=sr_1_1/002-6333805-1916814?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178719111&sr=1-1]Outgunned!: True Stories of Citizens Who Stood Up to Outlaws-And Won: Robert A Waters, John T Waters: 9781581823868: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

It's a classic story from hundreds of western shoot-'em-ups: a gang of outlaws rides into town, terrorizes local citizens, and finally meets their match when the heroic sheriff appears. In real life, it was different. Some of the most notorious western outlaws were killed or captured by townspeople. And the trend continued throughout the Prohibition era.

Outgunned! True Stories of Citizens Who Stood Up to Outlaws-and Won describes a dozen such cases. There's Jesse James, whose gang was decimated by armed citizens while the James-Younger Gang was attempting to rob a bank in Northfield, Minnesota. There's Tom Horn, assassin for the Wyoming cattle barons, who was shot by citizens during an ill-fated jailbreak. And there's George Birdwell, "Pretty Boy" Floyd's chief lieutenant; he and his partners were gunned down by outraged townspeople as they attempted to hold up a bank in the all-black town of Boley, Oklahoma. There's the notorious Dalton gang that entered Coffeyville, Kansas, one cold fall morning in 1892 and attempted to rob two banks at the same time; four of the outlaws were killed by armed citizens. Then there¹s Anthony Chebatoris, a Prohibition-era socialist who, after murdering an innocent bystander during an attempted bank robbery in Midland, Michigan, was shot by a dentist who kept a hunting rifle in his office.

Outgunned! True Stories of Citizens Who Stood Up to Outlaws-and Won is the first book to systematically describe cases of American citizens protecting themselves against criminals. All are documented in contemporary writings or by noted historians. In some cases, new information has been located and incorporated into the book. Many books romanticize outlaws or lawmen, but until now the role of townspeople who banded together to save themselves and their neighbors has been given little more than passing interest.

I agree it has been exaggerated by the gun control people. My point about IF you had to turn your weapons in to enter town, the police forces were then required to protect you. By giving up your right to be armed you put your safety in thier hands.

Its similar to controlled areas such as courthouses and airports. When you enter the controlled area you have an expectation that the security forces check everyone else, and are the only armed agents in the area, and are responsible to protect you.

You cannot apply this concept to cities anymore, as they are far too large.

 

[Missourian]

Yeah, soon Montana will be just like Vermont.

 

[Missourian]

Not the first...offhand, Vermont already allows concealed-carry with no permit. It's one of the safest states in the country.

Beat me to it.

 

[Missourian]

Not the first...offhand, Vermont already allows concealed-carry with no permit. It's one of the safest states in the country.

It's legal to carry open or concealed in your vehicle or home in Georgia without any kind of permit...until you screw up just one time.

Missouri too...safe traveler law.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets
tysk news ^ | 1997 | Baldwin
Posted on 4/17/2007 3:29:03 PM by doug from upland

Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia
Crime Rate Plummets

by Chuck Baldwin

The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.
Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets

 

[Wicked Jester]

The wife and I bought acreage in Montana, near Flathead lake, construction on the new house begins in spring of '15.....As soon as the twins are off to college, we're outta this liberal loony bin.

One of the reasons we chose Montana, is the fact that it's one of the last states you can actually be an American.

 

[Bigfoot]

Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets
tysk news ^ | 1997 | Baldwin
Posted on 4/17/2007 3:29:03 PM by doug from upland

Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia
Crime Rate Plummets

by Chuck Baldwin

The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.
Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets

Isn't that something. I do not understand why this is so difficult for some people to grasp.

 

[Missourian]

By Igor Volsky

The Montana House advanced three gun bills this week that aim to thwart the growing national support for gun safety legislation, including one measure that would allow almost anyone to carry a concealed weapon without applying for a permit or undergoing mental screening:

It says that anyone who would qualify for a permit under current guidelines could carry concealed without getting a formal permit. People who determine themselves qualified would be exempt from having to actually get a permit.​

“This bill basically says if you think in your head you can carry concealed, then you can carry concealed,” said Rep. Margie McDonald of Billings, an opponent of the bill. The measure must pass a final vote before going to the Senate.

More: The Wild West Returns: Montana Bill Would Allow Everyone To Carry A Concealed Weapon | ThinkProgress

Montana House advances gun rights bills - Missoulian

Criminals already carry concealed weapons in every city across the country. Do you have a problem with the law abiding doing the same?

And this is where the entire gun-grabber house of cards falls down.

The LAW only restrains the law-abiding.

Criminals by definition are neither constrained nor deterred by laws.

 

[Politico]

Go Montana.

 

[Lakhota]

Senators near a deal on background checks for most private gun sales - The Washington Post